Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Basty96]

Casual sex makes sense in universe. Yes. Man children I swear. Acting as if they have got monopoly on good writing.

good writing? what good writing? the only good stuff comes from WSan and two or three others

 

[Raf-Raf]

Saline, Savin.
IT sounds similar.

 

[Goblina Lover]

good writing

i have yet to see a porn game with genuine good writing.
This game is and has always been glorified fetish fanfic.

 

[Fiz1247]

Harem animes really got some dudes brains rotten. They act like jealous manbabies even when drowning in pussy. Calling characters lesbos when they arent sucking their dicks 24/7. whack as shit lol

Casual sex makes sense in universe. Yes. Man children I swear. Acting as if they have got monopoly on good writing.

I know right? What a bunch of incels and misanthropes for not letting their wife to fuck other people. You were right all along Savin.

 

[Skandranon]

No one operates under the assumption that the fantasy porn game will third-wheel them at every chance unless told otherwise.

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

You might not like it from a meta standpoint, but saying it makes the characters look schizophrenic just seems off. Their characterization (at least that part of it) is consistent.

Also: Aileh, Atani, Brienne, Cassia, Cat Harem, Clementhine, Elthara, Eubicha, Gwyneth, Hellhound, Hreatha, Infrith, Livrea, Kiyoko, Ragnild, Rina, Rindo, Serena, Shar, Valencia, Vari, Vatia, Zo.

Some else mentioned this....but a chunk of those characters aren't monogamous at all. And its not like I was naming all the mono characters in the game, it was just an example.

Because that's what people are into.

People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.

I cover it above but to summarize: it's discordant with the original premise of the character, can take away development time on the expected content for the character, can come out of nowhere months later, is often unavoidable or easy to stumble into, and for some it affects their perception of who the character is. Many wouldn't care if the content existed but was attached to specific characters from the start.

The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By defi ition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

I do not see why "In universe" CoC2, the world of Savarra, is hyper-sexualized. It's a setting that got nuked back to the bronze age and is meant to be more grounded that CoC and TiTS.

Compare to CoC, where the sexualization makes sense because it's a world AFTER the corruption, where Tel-adre is the closest place to normality and even they've been twisted by the demon's influence to the point that everyone has a super charged libido. You also start that game with an imp giving you a rude awakening, making it clear what you're in for in this world.

Then compare to TiTS, where it's a completely insane, hedonistic universe where technology has allowed body-modding to become a pastime. It doesn't care about if it makes sense to us, because it's a premise you're asked to accept at the outset that this universe is a slutty one. It starts you off with your dad's sexual exploits and makes it clear in the dialogue that everyone is up for sex and designer babies are the norm.

Then we get CoC2, which starts you with a generic DnD style tavern, a cat girl begs for aide and you go out to fight cultists. It's not sexualized, you're fighting people with the intent to kill and they're doing the same. You beat (or lose, it actually doesn't matter) the cult leader and suddenly a demon appears and then everyone is slutty. Prior to Kas the world was not meant to be corrupted, it was a collection of dying feudal and imperial nations trying to cling on, that doesn't scream hyper-sexualization. Lore was written AFTER that point that makes the world sex-obsessed, but it wasn't there at the start (save for Cait, who I've not had a problem with her being a slut, I have other problems with her but she's honest that she's a temple harlot and that is a thing from history. But I don't think we can say all of Babylon was obsessed with sex just because they had religious prostitutes.) Hells, you have scenes in the Wayfort where people make note of how sexual the place is if you keep the Hornet Queen's stocks, which makes it seem that overly sexual things are not the norm.

TLDR: CoC and TiTS are consistent in their tone and sexualization. They are porn games, and their worlds were built porn forward.
CoC2 starts dry and then rams in the demon dicks, then afterwards pretends they were always there. It's not consistent and it's hard to know what is normal, what is corrupted, and where the hell we're going with it.
I'm also all up for some polyamory, but given there's no consistency between characters, it's hard to know what I'm investing in when it comes to their content. As all these characters are really their own separate bubbles of content, it's jarring to go from a scene with someone who was explicitly a monogamous character, to one where they're open to all comers. That doesn't feel like open relationships, that feels like cheating.

 

[MoneyMan181]

See, I don't get this. To me, it seems like you're defaulting anyone who doesn't explicitly say otherwise to instantly monogamous and being disappointed when they aren't.

Atugia isn't really super into you. She's not your girlfriend, as far as I know she never says she loves you, you and her don't really establish as of yet any deeper connection than having sex and being friendly with each other...and everyone else in your party meets those same qualifications.

Azzy's entire introduction establishes that she's part of a hive, and she feels cut off when she's not around large amounts of people. The whole reason she latches onto you in the first place is because she's desperate for any kind of companionship since she can't be near everyone in her hive.

Imo, it's easier and makes more sense in the setting that''s been established to assume everyone is down for casual sex with different partners as the default and not the other way around. The people who aren't generally explicitly say so, like Brienne and Kiyoko.

Why would you not assume people are monogamous? That is the norm.

Atugia does say she loves you. It's during sex, but she still says it. It's in her fishnets scene, just scroll down to the bottom. It doesn't matter that she's not explicitly your girlfriend, the writer lets you kiss her and be all sappy with her, including dancing with her twice in the festivus event. But yeah sure, totally not super into the PC when she gives her virginity to you on top of all that.

For azzy, I have no idea what feeling cut off when you're not around a lot of people has to do with being polyamorous. Companionship makes sense sure, but the line of reasoning for polyamory ain't great.

People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.

You say that yet the farthest this game goes is horse cocks and NTR. Seriously, the fetishes in this game are extremely fucking tame, dude. To the point where if you took away the dicks on the chicks, I would question how on earth this is a fetish game. What is the "few" that this game is catering to? Regardless, it seems like catering to the majority is what they should do considering Kiyoko and Brienne are the most popular characters in the game.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

Seriously, the fetishes in this game are extremely fucking tame, dude. To the point where if you took away the dicks on the chicks, I would question how on earth this is a fetish game. What is the "few" that this game is catering to? Regardless, it seems like catering to the majority is what they should do considering Kiyoko and Brienne are the most popular characters in the game.

100% agree. Saving Gwyn and the other scattering of Lupines (and that one random squirrel girl merc) the game can't even be considered a furry game, they're all animal ear girls. The fetishes are breeding, three scenes of oviposition, lactation, horse cock and...
Oh shit, there's that random and entirely inconsequential horse tribe too... so that's two kinds of generic furry. They were just so unimportant to the world I completely forget about their existence.
Joking aside about Atani and her people's irrelevance, I don't think there is any real fetish content save those small outliers, it's mostly vanilla, dick+hole with girls who have accessories.

Edit: Thinking more about Atani, seeing as you also get the out of place random slimes there and the gnolls, it's almost like everything south of the river belongs more in old CoC than CoC2.

 

[Skandranon]

Why would you not assume people are monogamous? That is the norm.

In real life. Not necessarily in the setting of the game.

Atugia does say she loves you. It's during sex, but she still says it. It's in her fishnets scene, just scroll down to the bottom. It doesn't matter that she's not explicitly your girlfriend, the writer lets you kiss her and be all sappy with her, including dancing with her twice in the festivus event. But yeah sure, totally not super into the PC when she gives her virginity to you on top of all that.

Honestly I still haven't read that fishnets scene (and honestly, as you kinda noted, I love yous during sex tend to not hold the same weight). But I will say that fishnets scene was added way after she released. Your objection seems to be comparing how the character comes off at the beginning vs how she acts later. Heck, I'm pretty sure the Arona scene was added before the Festivus event, not to mention it would be pretty easy to run into the Arona scene first, considering it triggers as soon as you have the two them together.

Regardless, even ignoring the question of the degree of exactly how much Atugia likes you, its still a jump from that to monogamy. Assuming that anyone who shows interest in you is interest in you exclusively is just that - an assumption.

For azzy, I have no idea what feeling cut off when you're not around a lot of people has to do with being polyamorous. Companionship makes sense sure, but the line of reasoning for polyamory ain't great.

All the relationships she's ever known and/or been a part of have been with a group of people. Why would this be any different? Heck, as soon as you rescue the hive she's immediately down for a threesome with the queen or a big orgy that involves everyone.

You say that yet the farthest this game goes is horse cocks and NTR. Seriously, the fetishes in this game are extremely fucking tame, dude. To the point where if you took away the dicks on the chicks, I would question how on earth this is a fetish game. What is the "few" that this game is catering to?

I think we've all gotten very accustomed to the stuff in this game.

The furries, the hyper-sized sexual attributes, the common dom/sub play, cumflation, lactation, egging, transformation stuff, the horse/dog/whatever cocks, as well as the futas are just an example. Might seem to tame at this point, but most of those things (and this isn't an exhaustive list) aren't stuff the majority of people are into.

Not to mention the fact that its a text game in the first place already cuts off the majority. This game is aimed directly at a niche audience.

Regardless, it seems like catering to the majority is what they should do considering Kiyoko and Brienne are the most popular characters in the game.

Well, we're going to have to very strongly disagree on this one. Catering exclusively to popularity generally makes for extremely derivative and safe content.

 

[undyingrevenant]

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

You might not like it from a meta standpoint, but saying it makes the characters look schizophrenic just seems off. Their characterization (at least that part of it) is consistent.



Some else mentioned this....but a chunk of those characters aren't monogamous at all. And its not like I was naming all the mono characters in the game, it was just an example.



People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.




The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By defi ition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

The problem is not characters having the same freedom your character has, it's how the characters are written. Azyrran for example, when the liaden plot first came up, she shows she wants her own harem basically. Which is fine. To raise a fit would make the mc abusive or hypocritical. However, particularly as a male PC she refuses participation in anything, (liaden is lesbian so its understandable but it comes off as weird when females can and azyrran has a bug dong) and constantly praises liaden while mentioning stuff like "yeah but you're ok too", it doesn't come across as polygamy, it comes across as following beats from a ntr game. She meets you, is really into you, but then she sees a rando that she becomes completely and totally infatuated by. Particularly egregious during the dawnsword quest with her in the party and if you get the sword instead, it doesn't feel right, it's written as if your characters just a straight third wheel, she's not written as caring for your both equally in the plot.

Atugia is written as a 9000 year old virgin straight outta twilight that falls for your character but then is open to being pounded by brint or arona. Its ooc. It's optional, yes, but a extreme example is why cait doesn't have a "you're going to be monogamous to me or I'll shank you" optional choice. It'd be ooc for her and the mc and comparitively a waste of writing time. Each character is not the same which is why them banging everyone (or not) doesn't make sense.

Them catering to the few is also blatantly against their design, they explicitly focus on polls or whatever their writers want. There's quite a few vocal people that want quality male characters to match up to the great female characters, but they don't. The vast majority want futa, or female, which is what the vast majority of content is, and what they have been vocal is their priority.

Early access is also not a shield, if people have paid a great deal of money, or purchased the game, or even just invested a great amount of time into it, and suddenly content takes a sudden sharp turn, they're entitled to voice their opinions or discontent without being labeled as trolls or some other such moniker. Them overhauling the combat system is a common thing, the gameplay elements are still there. Removal of party members less so. Again, an extreme example would be something like turning the entire combat system into match 3. The game is in development but you do expect constants, and if you do make a change like that you should expect people to think it's dumb and not be upset people aren't suddenly fanatics for match 3.

Reminder that the Berwyn removal was announced the day of the patch, for months they talked about him getting a new writer taking him over and adding new content. If they'dve been blunt about them making him a npc but still being in the game and having quite a bit of content they could have softened the blow a giant deal. It was the execution of the thing, same with quite a few characters in the game. Many have passionate fans regardless of their content but the execution can be questionable. It's generally whatever the writers want or feel like at the time, not what the characters themselves would do. Frodo goes to Mordor he doesn't flee and marry boromir.

 

[Biostar]

The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By defi ition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

So we should never get invested into anything and just accept every change no matter what.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

So we should never get invested into anything and just accept every change no matter what.

And unless they intend to go back through afterwards and do large re-writes to make the world more consistent, adding more material on top of a flawed foundation won't fix matters. That's what they claim caused CoC to fail.
Seeing as they constantly say various characters are "feature complete" it doesn't sound like they intend to go back through and neaten up old material.

 

[Daken9]

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

You might not like it from a meta standpoint, but saying it makes the characters look schizophrenic just seems off. Their characterization (at least that part of it) is consistent.

Because i'm not an android, and i don't expect fictional characters whose sole purpose in life is to tickle a real person's balls to go off and fuck some other fictional character because their writer decided this power fantasy-esque porn game needed a syringe of real life disappointment.

Some else mentioned this....but a chunk of those characters aren't monogamous at all. And its not like I was naming all the mono characters in the game, it was just an example.

Most of those characters are, and what some of them have is the option for cut and dry player-centric threesomes - no strings attached. Didn't list Jae'lyn and Daliza for a reason. It also wasn't just an example, you were saying Kiyoko and Brienne are the exceptions. They aren't.

People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.

So, do it like Fleep is doing and make characters for the NTR and freelove kumbaya crowd, rather than saddling pre-existing ones with all those minority-within-a-minority kinks and in so doing taking them away from the people who were already enjoying them. Like i already said they could be doing.

Which, by the way, is what i'm pretty sure you yourself said they should be doing with genderbent characters. But i guess one's popular and the other is not, so by the law of the contrarian Brint->Brienne nay but Azzy->get cucked yay?

 

[confusedcommoner]

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

Even if your character doesn't sleep around, the NPCs still will, often without input or forewarning. Again, there's a reason Cait has a big disclaimer if you try to bed her. Monogamy is what average people expect, and player agency should beat out NPC "agency." You can have both, but you shouldn't sacrifice the PC for NPCs, and sex isn't the only way to express agency.

The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By definition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

Again, it's hard to agree with this sentiment when things come out of left field. It isn't hard to introduce a character as polyamorous or ___ fetish character in their initial release or intro. I don't think every character needs to be monogamous, but waifubaiting is a poor practice. I also think it's pretty silly to suggest people should remain apathetic about something just because it's in progress. What is the purpose of producing art and wanting people to be indifferent?

 

[Skandranon]

Atugia is written as a 9000 year old virgin straight outta twilight that falls for your character but then is open to being pounded by brint or arona. Its ooc.

Even in this example, you have to be comparing it to a different universe with different rules.

However much she "falls", for your character, it doesn't change the fact that characters in this universe, casual sex with ,ultiple people happens a lot. Her having sex with other people isn't ooc unless its been established that she won't have sex with other people (and, slight spoiler,

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Them catering to the few is also blatantly against their design, they explicitly focus on polls or whatever their writers want. There's quite a few vocal people that want quality male characters to match up to the great female characters, but they don't. The vast majority want futa, or female, which is what the vast majority of content is, and what they have been vocal is their priority.

Well, "what the writers want" IS catering to the few. WHen the writers want to write something niche, they do. That's how a lot of the scenes that this forum don't like make it into the game in the first place; writers writing stuff they like.

Heck, the whole reason Brint, or really most male characters, exists is catering to the few. The writers don't really like writing male characters (except for Bubbles I think) and have done them anyway to try to have some variety. Wsan has said before its not really his thing (which is made more obvious by him sneaking a pure female in there anyway later on). Obviously, some people want more, and that's fair, but they wouldn't exist at all otherwise.

Early access is also not a shield, if people have paid a great deal of money, or purchased the game, or even just invested a great amount of time into it, and suddenly content takes a sudden sharp turn, they're entitled to voice their opinions or discontent without being labeled as trolls or some other such moniker. Them overhauling the combat system is a common thing, the gameplay elements are still there. Removal of party members less so. Again, an extreme example would be something like turning the entire combat system into match 3. The game is in development but you do expect constants, and if you do make a change like that you should expect people to think it's dumb and not be upset people aren't suddenly fanatics for match 3.

The player's view of a character not being complete because you don't have the whole story of said character very smoothly falls under the early access umbrella though. I'd agree that it doesn't excuse everything, but that's a very simple and obvious result of the method.

And removal of content happens CONSTANTLY during development of games, especially RPGS. Mass Effect games, Elder Scrolls games, Baldur's Gate games, Ass Creed, heck any large open game especially all have HUGE amounts of finished or nearly finished content that simply doesn't make it to the final game for whatever reason - it's usually one of the first things modders start working on.

The only difference is we're seeing it live.

Reminder that the Berwyn removal was announced the day of the patch, for months they talked about him getting a new writer taking him over and adding new content.

This I agree with, and I've said that before.

Removing Berwyn was, imo, an understandable necessity; keeping it under wraps was not.

 

[Skandranon]

Because i'm not an android, and i don't expect fictional characters whose sole purpose in life is to tickle a real person's balls to go off and fuck some other fictional character because their writer decided this power fantasy-esque porn game needed a syringe of real life disappointment.

You're taking it as disappointment, as if it was solely a negative thing - and not seeing that its just something that someone else might be into and you're not. Personally, I like seeing the NPCs fuck each other, because the PC is a boring character and I'd rather see two interesting characters go at it. Its just variety.

Most of those characters are, and what some of them have is the option for cut and dry threesomes - no strings attached. Didn't list Jae'lyn and Daliza for a reason. It also wasn't just an example, you were saying Kiyoko and Brienne are the exceptions. They aren't.

I said "like" Brienne and Kiyoko, as examples, not exceptions.
And, just for example, Aileh specifically has a scene where she takes a turn in the stocks basically for fun - she's literally a proponent for corruption and the world Kass wants, of course she's not monogamous.

So, do it like Fleep is doing and make characters for the NTR and freelove kumbaya crowd, rather than saddling pre-existing ones with all those minority-within-a-minority kinks and in so doing taking them away from the people who were already enjoying them. Like i already said they could be doing.

Like I said, you're conflating different things. Characters having sex with other people besides you isn't NTR or cucking, unless, by that definition, your character is constantly cucking most of the cast.

Fleep's demons are specifically geared towards that.

Which, by the way, is what i'm pretty sure you yourself said they should be doing with genderbent characters. But i guess one's popular and the other is not, so by the law of the contrarian Brint->Brienne nay but Azzy->get cucked yay?

That's a whole different situation. If you recall, I gave several reasons genderbending is a bad idea.

Genderbending creates more work for the devs, both making the character unlikely to get future content and slowing down the content they do get, something that the devs have said many times themselves.

Its also often (like Brint->Brienne) erases old scenes to add new ones, which means whichever one you choose you experiencing half the work done on that character.

It also changes the design of a character, just making them completely sexually unavailable for some people (someone who is attracted to dudes and not girls can't just look past that through no fault of there own).

Having a character bang another character does not do any of that. It amounts to, usually, a probably skippable sex scene. There is a massive gulf of difference.

Even if your character doesn't sleep around, the NPCs still will, often without input or forewarning. Again, there's a reason Cait has a big disclaimer if you try to bed her. Monogamy is what average people expect, and player agency should beat out NPC "agency." You can have both, but you shouldn't sacrifice the PC for NPCs, and sex isn't the only way to express agency.

Cait sleeps around regardless of your input. Repeatedly and at length. Its basically warning that MOST of her content is focused around this specific thing. It doesn't mean that all others characters don't have any of said thing at all.

Also, I think its dumb and should be removed, but that's neither here nor there.

I also think it's pretty silly to suggest people should remain apathetic about something just because it's in progress. What is the purpose of producing art and wanting people to be indifferent?

I don't think we should expect apathy, just understanding. This kind of stuff is a normal part of the dev process, and understanding that we're just seeing a part of said process we don't normally see instead of treating it like a finished product that things are being ripped out of or ruined is what I feel should be the goal.

 

[Daken9]

You're taking it as disappointment, as if it was solely a negative thing - and not seeing that its just something that someone else might be into and you're not. Personally, I like seeing the NPCs fuck each other, because the PC is a boring character and I'd rather see two interesting characters go at it. Its just variety.

I'm taking it as something that comes out out of blue. Glad you enjoy being third-wheeled, but in most cases (like Azzy's) there's simply nothing pointing to it to that outcome - other than the hope that you will be, i guess.

I said "like" Brienne and Kiyoko, as examples, not exceptions.
And, just for example, Aileh specifically has a scene where she takes a turn in the stocks basically for fun - she's literally a proponent for corruption and the world Kass wants, of course she's not monogamous.

Sorry, my bad. I'll try harder with the semantics. You phrased it as if characters like Kiyoko and Brienne are the exceptions, they aren't.

Aileh's whole deal is also virginal demon with wholesome family content. That we're once told in passing that she's actually everyone's fuckbag, not even by herself and just for it to never be mentioned again, i'd say is just another case of shit coming out of the blue for no reason at all.

Still, let's say she doesn't count. Now to the other 50.

This whole post needs to touch grass. Preferably from underneath.

Like I said, you're conflating different things. Characters having sex with other people besides you isn't NTR or cucking, unless, by that definition, your character is constantly cucking most of the cast.

Fleep's demons are specifically geared towards that.

By definiton he is, and i could care less. Because i actually exist and the fictional characters don't.

That's a whole different situation. If you recall, I gave several reasons genderbending is a bad idea.

Genderbending creates more work for the devs, both making the character unlikely to get future content and slowing down the content they do get, something that the devs have said many times themselves.

Its also often (like Brint->Brienne) erases old scenes to add new ones, which means whichever one you choose you experiencing half the work done on that character.

It also changes the design of a character, just making them completely sexually unavailable for some people (someone who is attracted to dudes and not girls can't just look past that through no fault of there own).

Having a character bang another character does not do any of that. It amounts to, usually, a probably skippable sex scene. There is a massive gulf of difference.

I'm sorry, what do you think turning Atugia or Ryn into everyone's fucktoys did if not making them less appealing to people? Like, do you think it stops at physical appearance and that characterization and consistency matter none?

Also, not sure how you still believe that genderbending and male characters not getting any content are somehow connected after a male companion just got taken out for no reason at all. Better yet, not sure why we still pretending a ton of characters are getting genderbent while in reality it was just Brint for the longest time.

Which, by the way, still a point for genderbending, since putting him in Brienne's backpack could easily be what kept him the male character with the most content/halfway consistent updates in the game.

 

[Wrynn13]

Casual sex makes sense in universe. Yes. Man children I swear. Acting as if they have got monopoly on good writing.

You keep using that phrase "good writing." I do not think it means what you think it does.

 

[Skandranon]

I'm taking it as something that comes out out of blue. Glad you enjoy being third-wheeled, but in most cases (like Azzy's) there's simply nothing pointing to it to that outcome - other than the hope that you will be, i guess.

I think that there was plenty that pointed towards it. In addition, I don't think there needs to be anything announcing that characters might be having some sex in a sex game.

Aileh's whole deal is also virginal demon with wholesome family content. That we're once told in passing that she's actually everyone's fuckbag, not even by herself and just for it to never be mentioned again, i'd say is just another case of shit coming out of the blue for no reason at all.

Aileh had zero family content on release. Nothing suggesting it or pointing towards it. For a long time, she was just a demon you could bang that hung out in the Wayfort. "Wholesome family content" got added in Mayternity. Out of the blue, for no reason at all.

But noone's complaining out that despite being "out of the blue".
Brint->Brienne was also out of the blue, no prior setup. No complaints.
I would say that that's not really the issue people have.

By definiton he is, and i could care less. Because i actually exist and the fictional characters don't.

Then your issue isn't actually with the characters portrayal here. This isn't an inconsistency with how the characters act in-universe, it's about what content you like.

Which is fine, but there's a big difference between "these characters have inconsistent portrayals" and "I don't like the portrayals of these characters personally".

I'm sorry, what do you think turning Atugia or Ryn into everyone's fucktoys did if not making them less appealing to people? Like, do you think it stops at physical appearance and that characterization and consistency matter none?

I didn't say "less appealing" I said sexually unavailable.
"This character has a scene I don't like that I don't even actually have to see" is not the same thing as "this character is the whole wrong gender".

Also, not sure how you still believe that genderbending and male characters not getting any content are somehow connected after a male companion just got taken out for no reason at all. Better yet, not sure why we still pretending a ton of characters are getting genderbent while in reality it was just Brint for the longest time.

The only reason they did genderbend him is BECAUSE he got taken out. They said so themselves. They added a bunch of variables to a character that wouldn't be getting any more content going forward, so they don't have to worry about how hard it is to upkeep them in the future.

And I didn't say anything about a bunch of characters being genderbent? You brought it up as a point of comparison, I was just responding. Gnederbending has happened in past games though, and its usually, imo, not a great idea for development.

Which, by the way, still a point for genderbending, since putting him in Brienne's backpack could easily be what kept him the male character with the most content/halfway consistent updates in the game.

Could be? Or it could be that he's the only male companion being written by a staff writer, and the staff writer characters are the ones that get the most content.

And if we're speculating, we could also say that he would have gotten even more content had he been Wsan's sole focus.

What's not speculation is that he still gets less content and less in depth content than Brienne, and will continue to do so.

Just as an example, when the triple marriage comes up for Brienne's family...if you have Brint, you don't get to marry his sister or mother at all. For whatever reason.

 

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It is the usual gamer thing. "I am not into this. Why would anyone else be?" I wouldnt waste my time on them.

Must be new around here. Skandranon loves debating, it's sport. Not a knock, dude just really enjoys debating about things he likes. You must be a gaymer too, since you're not into debating and telling Skandranon not to

Also, I leave for 12 hours and the thread blew up lmao I enjoy NTR when it's more devious and sneaky, not "NTR" like this. This is just casual sex between people that you have also sexed, only they do not feel the same way about you that you do them.
I will say that stitching this onto characters that lack PC-involved content is an odd choice and it does make sense to make NPCs that cater to NTR, but does that not fall into the issue people have with all these NPCs with 2-3 scenes while people like Atugia wither away?

tl;dr Kassyra makes it clear that her libido knows no bounds, but ultimately thinks you're the best at having sex with her. It's only her drive to have children that keeps her fucking other people. Therefore, Kassyra is best waifu confirmed