Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Jötunn123]

It is not really out of the blue in the development of the character for you to romance them and have a kid. It is really fast in this game, as it is in most porn games, but still there was character development into new content. It is rather weird to say any sort of new content, even if there is character development along with it, is out of the blue. The reason the Daken9 says Aileh being "everyone's fuckbag" is out of the blue is because he believes it to be inconsistent with prior characterization. Whether or not you agree with Daken9, Aileh is given character growth into her wholesome content which makes it incorrect to claim it is out of the blue.

Are you talking about a writer wanting to do sexual content or just SFW interactions? Given how Arona's threesomes mostly defaulting her to dominantly using her dick on the other NPC, I can see why Wsan would be cautious of others writing that.

I remember reading somewhere that it was likely some sexual stuff, still seems strange to be so picky about that considering Brienne's existing scenes.

Personally I found it to be a bit of a shame, I like doing four different walkthroughs and it feels a bit lacking that dom Arona can't have fun with the sub Brienne.

 

[Skandranon]

It is not really out of the blue in the development of the character for you to romance them and have a kid. It is really fast in this game, as it is in most porn games, but still there was character development into new content. It is rather weird to say any sort of new content, even if there is character development along with it, is out of the blue. The reason the Daken9 says Aileh being "everyone's fuckbag" is out of the blue is because he believes it to be inconsistent with prior characterization. Whether or not you agree with Daken9, Aileh is given character growth into her wholesome content which makes it incorrect to claim it is out of the blue.

Aileh was introduced literally masturbating publicly on the roof of your fort. She's pro corruption and is actively in favor of Kas and her methods. She was raised by someone who probably has more sex than anyone else in the world, and thoroughly enjoys decadence and excess.

Her going for a quick gangbang is definitely more in line with her initial characterization than her being a doting mom.

Not to say that content was bad or anything, I thoroughly enjoyed it. New content shedding more light on a character's...character is kinda my whole point.

I don't know if it's a majority, but it's at least a sizeable minority. Also, wasn't pregnancy the second most popular fetish in the polls? I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's the main reason I play this game, and I don't seem to be the only one in this situation.

Futa was number one, and futas are still only about 13% of the game. I doubt the polls significantly influence the devs plans.

Everybody has their niche, I guess.

 

[Meblue]

Yuck, Pregnancy is gross

Yuck, your opinion is gross

 

[Skandranon]

Yuck, your opinion is gross

I know, right?

 

[Kroenen12]

When one of the writers want to do Arona and Brienne content, the writer for Brienne got super huffy

No
savin (arona writer) got upset...

and now there will be no content with the two of them, and so mostly these characters don't really exist with each other aside from a potential snark dialogue.

sexual content? no
non-sexual content? sure, Wsan has already written interactions between brienne and arona.

 

[Skandranon]

Yeah, I think Brienne and Arona recently had an argument about slavery didn't they?

Don't remember at what point, though, somewhere in KM.

 

[undyingrevenant]

so i have something controversial to admit: i kinda like quin. or i guess i like the IDEA of quin. first of all design wise he's kinda what i was talking about in earlier posts that we need more of: dudes with normal body types. he's not super muscled, but he's not full on fem-twink either.

i wish he had more consistent characterization. why after telling you he can't bang bc it would make him look suspicious is he suddenly talking about wanting to fuck everyone? make it make sense. i think it would be interesting if quin focused more on pc interaction then just being a horny dude sitting around the bar talking about how sexy he finds the party or whatever.

let pc learn more about him, his past etc, make you actually learn about him before diving right into sex. i think that would help make him feel less like "dude that shows up to bang your various girlfriends" if he was purposefully keeping AWAY from sex for the time being because he's afraid it will make him look suspicious due to being a former sex cultist. drop the arrogant attitude, or have him be the trope of "arrogant guy is learning to tone it down/is embarrassed he used to be that arrogant". like if anyone here has watched or played tales of the abyss, kinda what luke goes through characterization wise. used to be an arrogant jackass but is trying to reform a bit after pulling his head out of his ass.

i think this would also help differentiate him a bit because so this is a porn game obviously. heres a character who you actually have to talk with and build relationship with before you can get into anything sexual.

i understand honestly most people probably wouldn't be interested in this because quin is pretty disliked but i just wanted to muse a bit about a character i think is quite honestly wasted potential. it's like he could be what a lot of people are looking for (more male content for the game, in between body type, one of the only male companions) but the way he's characterized and written is so mishandled and he's just botched at this point.

Yeah honestly I like him too, platonically at least. He has a very good foundation for a kylo ren type or someone that sees the error in their ways but finds out doing good feels good, that sort of thing. Plenty of interesting possibilities too, like if a writer wanted maybe when the cult story reaches its finale, depending on whether quin has a good or bad relationship he could side with you or against you. "This is my family now" vs "If Im forever a villain so be it" sort of thing. Edgy but that's my shi. But the basic stuffd be nobody trusting him, your character giving him a chance, then you become good friends and/or lovers. Something like a alternative etheryn route.

Issue is hes wrote "wrong" imo. Say you write a criminal character that becomes a good guy. A killer or something. They might start really aggressive or threatening, but usually by the time they join your party they keep their mouth shut at least until they see the value of life and become protectors, that sort of thing, quins if you took that example and every night he says "I could kill you in your sleep. I won't but I could. Just joking. I totally could though." With some of his interactions like with cait etc he seems to want to be forgiven and make amends and be trusted but a lot of his content towards the player doesn't reflect the same thing. He needs a small rewrite for some of his stuff, particularly the magic use. Using it to deal with enemies non lethallys one thing but should be explicit he'd never do it to friends at least. I think he comes off more abrasive than intended because the writer is more ok with non con type stuff than is acceptable to a good bit of people.

 

[Jötunn123]

Shame, I feel that Arona and Brienne would have made good content together. Also, I feel it's never good for work-partners to discuss politics... unless they are talking about fictional slavery, then there argument is just silly.

 

[Meblue]

I know, right?

Next thing you'll tell me is that your into pegging.

 

[Kuritzkale]

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Fair point about everything being good if you ignore the bad, I guess the point I'm trying to get at is that I don't think you should look for super stringent character consistency in a porn game where player choice is ultimately the goal, and you can choose what content you do or don't engage with. Now we can quibble on how true that actually is in CoC2 because I do think it falls flat in that regard but still, that's my point.

I don't think your point about it not being an NTR game is really fair though, it isn't a game that is trying to appeal to a specific fetish, it's an """RPG""" porn game with (in theory) lots of content for all different kinds of people to enjoy. The game isn't beholden to any specific kinks, it IS an NTR game, in the same way it's a pregnancy game, or a futa game, or whatever.

Also, I don't think a lot of it is avoidable, I explicitly said that it SHOULD be avoidable, but a lot of it isn't currently. For the character stuff... look, I'm not trying to sound mean cause I generally like people on this forum, but I do think you are MAYBE headcanoning stuff and then getting upset when the game doesn't follow your idea of what a character is, and aren't realizing it. You're right that most characters aren't upfront with the fuckbuddy status shit, but they also don't go around saying they're exclusively yours or anything. Only character I can really think of doing that is brienne.

 

[helllover]

Seems like I was wrong about what happened between Brienne and Arona, I really only got info from here and Fenoxo's forum, I have no interest in their discord since I don't really have such a favorable opinion towards their content.

 

[Doran]

Aileh was introduced literally masturbating publicly on the roof of your fort. She's pro corruption and is actively in favor of Kas and her methods. She was raised by someone who probably has more sex than anyone else in the world, and thoroughly enjoys decadence and excess.

Her going for a quick gangbang is definitely more in line with her initial characterization than her being a doting mom.

Not to say that content was bad or anything, I thoroughly enjoyed it. New content shedding more light on a character's...character is kinda my whole point.

She does not masturbate publicly. She purposefully waits till only the PC is there. Forewarning, I have yet to see her new wholesome content myself. In her talk about corruption she is specifically against demons and the complete loss of compassion and empathy that comes with fully becoming corrupt. Honestly as corruption does not equal sexual liberation, I have no idea what exact part of corruption she supposedly loves, as the only discernable part of corruption she rejects fully. Her whole talk about corruption has her hating on demons for that obsessiveness and excess. Also if she is in favor of Kas and her methods why is she remaining neutral at the fort?

 

[Biostar]

Aileh was introduced literally masturbating publicly on the roof of your fort. She's pro corruption and is actively in favor of Kas and her methods. She was raised by someone who probably has more sex than anyone else in the world, and thoroughly enjoys decadence and excess.

She also censors herself from cursing because Kas raised her not to. She was also not as interested in casual fucking as her sisters and they kept people looking to fuck away from her.

 

[confusedcommoner]

Cait sleeps around regardless of your input. Repeatedly and at length. Its basically warning that MOST of her content is focused around this specific thing. It doesn't mean that all others characters don't have any of said thing at all.

I know she does, I say this in the post you replied to, and it's a major issue with the game for many people. She interjects even in scenes where it's detrimental or distracting for the player, e.g. her eyeing up your mother-in-law (and possible lover) at your wedding. I don't think it's a good idea or feature.

I don't think we should expect apathy, just understanding. This kind of stuff is a normal part of the dev process.

Fair enough, but, again, it's hard to be understanding with how out of place a lot of the choices are. Especially when you say stuff like:

Aileh had zero family content on release. Nothing suggesting it or pointing towards it. For a long time, she was just a demon you could bang that hung out in the Wayfort. "Wholesome family content" got added in Mayternity. Out of the blue, for no reason at all. But noone's complaining out that despite being "out of the blue".
Brint->Brienne was also out of the blue, no prior setup. No complaints.
Your issue isn't actually with the characters portrayal here. This isn't an inconsistency with how the characters act in-universe, it's about what content you like.

This seems incredibly disingenuous to suggest these are comparable. Aileh was an arrogant romantic virgin with only PC content from implementation onward; it isn't even close to a stretch for her to end up with family content, which is the average conclusion to romance. Brint -> Brienne is controlled by player action, not a result of OOC action by the NPC, and results in separate characters. Simultaneously arguing that Brint/Brienne content split is an issue, but waifubait characters randomly gaining poly content/a route isn't, is a bizarre position. Atugia's weird transition between kiss-less virgin and bragging about + performing her oral skills is incongruous.

No one was talking literally about content "coming out of the blue," that would be foolish considering we aren't behind the scenes with the dev team, we're discussing characters acting OOC and doing things that feel "out of the blue" for the character. I won't bat an eye when Cait receives her 50th NPCxNPC scene, but if she swore an oath of monogamy next patch I'd raise an eyebrow. People don't like when characters act inconsistently with their previous actions and personality; it makes the author's hand on the scale glaring. It is very clearly an issue of inconsistent portrayals, not just personal preferences.

What Daken said was true, not mean. You shift the goalposts+strawman often, which isn't arguing in good faith; it results in pointless discussion. Arguing is cool, I don't want the forum to be a circlejerk, but bad faith arguing and barely reading posts before replying gets old.

 

[muschi26]

Futa was number one, and futas are still only about 13% of the game. I doubt the polls significantly influence the devs plans.

According to my calculations, there's preg content involving:

6/10 companions (depending on whether you count Brint/Brienne as separate, or if you include Azyrran's egg-preg).
37/129 sexable persistent characters, with more on the way (e.g. Brinthaus). Again, some variation might be expected depending on how you count.
Plus a handful of generic characters.

So approximately 30% of characters have preg content.

 

[Meblue]

According to my calculations, there's preg content involving:

6/10 companions (depending on whether you count Brint/Brienne as separate, or if you include Azyrran's egg-preg).
37/129 sexable persistent characters, with more on the way (e.g. Brinthaus). Again, some variation might be expected depending on how you count.
Plus a handful of generic characters.

So approximately 30% of characters have preg content.

Which is far too low in my opinion.

 

[muschi26]

Which is far too low in my opinion.

Preach, brotha.

 

[undyingrevenant]

I wish there was more variety in scenes for the hyper weapon customization. Knots are supported pretty good but some in particular like porcine are very disappointing. It'd be nice if characters had optional preferences they reacted better to, the ole reliable human 12 incher gets boring after a while. Doesn't have to be massive differences but it'd be nice to have like a sentence different at least occasionally. Just kinda ruins the fun of so many options when they're kinda empty, we deserve to mind break the whole kitsune den with our porcine drill build-a-peen

 

[muschi26]

the ole reliable human horsecock 12 incher

FTFY

 

[Skandranon]

This seems incredibly disingenuous to suggest these are comparable. Aileh was an arrogant romantic virgin with only PC content from implementation onward; it isn't even close to a stretch for her to end up with family content, which is the average conclusion to romance.

There are exactly two romances in the game that end with full family scenes with interactable children that's I'm aware of.

That's why I said "family content" and not "pregnancy". Aileh getting pregnancy content would not be considered out of the way. Aileh and her kid getting the Kinu treatment is a direction for her character that is not at all suggested by her initial content.

Not that this was a bad thing; my whole point is that new content being introduced to characters isn't necesarily a bad thing.

Brint -> Brienne is controlled by player action, not a result of OOC action by the NPC, and results in separate characters. Simultaneously arguing that Brint/Brienne content split is an issue, but waifubait characters randomly gaining poly content/a route isn't, is a bizarre position.

It's a really, really easy position to defend. One is an active detriment to the future content a character gets, one isn't. Brienne takes content from Brint and will continue to do so in the future. Atugia having a sex scene with another person...doesn't do anything. We're not talking about a "route" even, which you could argue will affect future content; we're talking isolated sex scenes with no hint of a follow up.

If your position is that devs shouldn't introduce elements to a character that are not suggested by the characters initial content, you should be equally down on all instances of this.

I won't bat an eye when Cait receives her 50th NPCxNPC scene, but if she swore an oath of monogamy next patch I'd raise an eyebrow. People don't like when characters act inconsistently with their previous actions and personality; it makes the author's hand on the scale glaring. It is very clearly an issue of inconsistent portrayals, not just personal preferences.

Caits preferences are explicit. That makes sense. Saying, say, Atugia isn't down for X thing when she's made zero show of a preference one way or the other is not at all the same thing.

What Daken said was true, not mean. You shift the goalposts+strawman often, which isn't arguing in good faith; it results in pointless discussion. Arguing is cool, I don't want the forum to be a circlejerk, but bad faith arguing and barely reading posts before replying gets old.

I've said the same thing since the beginning, and made the same points. If you think the discussion is pointless, then that's fine, but I don't really need anyone to weigh in on my motivations.

If there's a point to make, make it; if you don't want to talk about something, I respect that. But accusing someone of "bad faith" arguments tends to simply be a way to discredit someone without actually engaging.