Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[M0nte]

so i have something controversial to admit: i kinda like quin. or i guess i like the IDEA of quin. first of all design wise he's kinda what i was talking about in earlier posts that we need more of: dudes with normal body types. he's not super muscled, but he's not full on fem-twink either.

first of all design wise he's kinda what i was talking about in earlier posts that we need more of: dudes with normal body types.

he's not super muscled, but he's not full on fem-twink either.

Bullshit!

 

[hater45]

You would all be a lot happier if you just skipped almost all the non porn scenes in the game.
That's what i do. Ignorance is bliss i say.

I mean you kind of have to because the world is either uninteresting or just inconsistent. If only I could interact with it in a meaningful way, then I would give a shit about it.

 

[Biostar]

Which is far too low in my opinion.

To add to that, not enough content with your kids. One thing I’ll praise TiTS for is their nursery. You can actually interact with them instead of just being a number on the screen. This mandate to only just do that or do a whole dedicated kid character just encourages writers to be lazy and opt for just sticking them in the nursery to be a statistic.

 

[undyingrevenant]

I want asagiri to be interactable and a daddy's girl so I can whisper to her "you're my favorite"

 

[A Burning Conscience]

There are exactly two romances in the game that end with full family scenes with interactable children that's I'm aware of.

Three, Aileh, Kiyoko and Zo.
But I think I'm the only one who remembers Zo exists, and that's just because she's Brooke 3.0 and I liked Brooke.
Also there's technically the Harpy wingleader but it's not a romance, just a random battlefuck and one repeating scene of her showing off your daughters.

 

[confusedcommoner]

There are exactly two romances in the game that end with full family scenes with interactable children that's I'm aware of.
That's why I said "family content" and not "pregnancy". Aileh getting pregnancy content would not be considered out of the way. Aileh and her kid getting the Kinu treatment is a direction for her character that is not at all suggested by her initial content.

Maybe I don't understand your point here, but it seems like semantics at best. The depth/length of a character's preg/family content is irrelevant when we're discussing character consistency and natural content for the character. I think most people would prefer that model over the nursery number generator, assuming the trade-off doesn't include one-off preg and Miko/Mai dilemmas.

It's a really, really easy position to defend. One is an active detriment to the future content a character gets, one isn't. Brienne takes content from Brint and will continue to do so in the future. Atugia having a sex scene with another person...doesn't do anything. We're not talking about a "route" even, which you could argue will affect future content; we're talking isolated sex scenes with no hint of a follow up.

It's an inconsistent position. Both situations take away development time for the character's original audience. Instead of Atugia + Brint we could've had an Atugia, or Atugia/PC scene, platonic or otherwise. Azzy + Liaden is a defined "route" (branch) that took up a significant portion of her content as a companion. You can opt out of A + L now, which is nice, but that still means it was wasted development time for a good chunk of her initial audience.

"No hint of a followup" is also odd when things like Elthara having threesomes turned into Elthara/NPC preg content, A + L turned into a whole branch, Atugia's talk about her oral skills turned into Arona + Atugia sexoff, Arona bedding Livrea might turn into Arona/Livrea content/preg, etc. When the writers get a foot in the door with stuff like this, it tends to develop into more of that content, even when it's "just casual sex."

If your position is that devs shouldn't introduce elements to a character that are not suggested by the characters initial content, you should be equally down on all instances of this.

I think, by a miracle, Brienne turned out to be a good character and addition to the game, but I know her existence affects the development of Brint's content and vice versa. It differs because ultimately it results in two separate entities. Brienne being submissive and monogamous doesn't actually affect Brint, he's still "Brint," and Brint's proclivities don't directly affect Brienne qualitatively, though of course they affect each others content in terms of quantity.

Caits preferences are explicit. That makes sense. Saying, say, Atugia isn't down for X thing when she's made zero show of a preference one way or the other is not at all the same thing.

You're attacking a strawman here, but I'll engage because I think it's interesting and contentious. You're correct, they are different; Cait's preferences are explicit, and Atugia's were/are implicit (kiss-less virgins are generally not down to immediately jump into polyamory or casual sex). Inferring things from text is normal when you're reading fiction; it makes for very dull reading if characters announce everything they're going to do before they do it, but you still expect their spontaneous action to make sense with their prior personality or motives. I think it's important to not get into headcanon, but Atugia being a kiss-less virgin is explicitly expressed, and I don't think people having expectations either in the form of cliché content or scenes/an arc showing her changing is unfair.

If this were real life, I'd agree that saying you know someone off of inferences is often dumb, but we're talking about fictional written characters, whose actions are entirely controlled by their author. Tolkien could've written a Gandalf romance into Return of the King, as Gandalf showed no explicit preferences for or against romance, but I'd still think it was a waste of time and very weird. You see something similar to this in the Hobbit movies with Galadriel, which was a platonic thing, and even that was a bit odd.

I've said the same thing since the beginning, and made the same points. If you think the discussion is pointless, then that's fine, but I don't really need anyone to weigh in on my motivations.

I never said anything about motivations, just your actions. I don't know or really care about your motivations.

But accusing someone of "bad faith" arguments tends to simply be a way to discredit someone without actually engaging.

I'd agree if I didn't engage with your points, but I do, so this makes no sense. You avoid engaging with people's actual points very regularly which is why I said "it results in pointless discussion."

I'll probably stop here so we stop shitting up the thread.

 

[MoneyMan181]

There are exactly two romances in the game that end with full family scenes with interactable children that's I'm aware of.

That's why I said "family content" and not "pregnancy". Aileh getting pregnancy content would not be considered out of the way. Aileh and her kid getting the Kinu treatment is a direction for her character that is not at all suggested by her initial content.

Not that this was a bad thing; my whole point is that new content being introduced to characters isn't necesarily a bad thing.

The problem is not new content introduced to characters. I really don't know why you would even think that. The problem is when that new content introduces angles to a character that don't seem to fit with the character well. Aileh getting family content fits her just fine, while with someone like Cait it would look EXTREMELY out of place.

It's a really, really easy position to defend. One is an active detriment to the future content a character gets, one isn't. Brienne takes content from Brint and will continue to do so in the future. Atugia having a sex scene with another person...doesn't do anything. We're not talking about a "route" even, which you could argue will affect future content; we're talking isolated sex scenes with no hint of a follow up.

If your position is that devs shouldn't introduce elements to a character that are not suggested by the characters initial content, you should be equally down on all instances of this.

To play Devil's advocate, you don't know if Brienne is the reason Brint isn't getting as much content now. For all we know, Wsan just hasn't wanted to write anything for Brint in quite some time. And to say she will continue to do so in the future feels... really disingenuous. Who's to say he would work on Brint with all the time he has worked on Brienne? I don't think it's a reach to say he could focus on his other NPCs if that was the case.

Atugia's sex scene with another person affects a person's view of her. It really doesn't make sense to introduce the character as some sort of blushing virgin tomboy character, have her say she loves the PC(whichever scene was written first doesn't matter, as a player could easily get this one first), then make her go suck off Arona for a reason as weak as "she didn't believe I was good at oral". Which also makes no sense because the Carmen oral thing isn't even in the game yet and even if it was, I would again ask, why staple this onto the girl who has kept her virginity for hundreds of years? Obviously it means something to her, so it's very strange that the seemingly sexually reserved girl is now randomly bragging about her oral skills and performing it on another character. Whether or not it affects future content is irrelevant, as something like that could directly impact someone's enjoyment of the character. There's a reason we don't see content of Hretha or Infrith getting fucked by other orcs even though it wouldn't actually affect future content for them.

 

[Eoin]

I'll probably stop here so we stop shitting up the thread.

This right here.

Please keep off topic shit and arguing to the off-topic subforum, or take it to DMs.

 

[Basty96]

Arona bedding Livrea

Wait what? the fuck did i miss?

 

[confusedcommoner]

Wait what? the fuck did i miss?

Nothing dramatic. IF she's domArona and either you do Serena's school event, or you turn dinner with Livrea down, she'll bang her off-screen.

 

[zwagon]

then make her go suck off Arona

i've seen it mentioned several times, but is there actually a scene like that? the camp scene is oral, yeah, but not with a dick. some variation i've missed?

 

[MoneyMan181]

i've seen it mentioned several times, but is there actually a scene like that? the camp scene is oral, yeah, but not with a dick. some variation i've missed?

Wow you're right. My bad I guess, but I mean the sex is only 2 fuckin' paragraphs, and it's not written well at all. I just assumed it was with her mouth since that's what they were talking about in the first place. Now I'm really fucking confused because she's just using her hand in the scene. What the fuck is she bragging about her mouth skills if she's not even using them?

 

[zwagon]

it's her cunnilingus skills she's bragging about. i guess it's weird the scene talks more about arona's dick than her pussy, but it's written from an observers point of view; all the pussy action is hidden.

 

[namelessone22]

Would someone mind letting me know the requirements/ trigger for Mai's preg stuff?
(and Miko's too)
(do you just have to sleep with them (to get them preg) or do you trigger a special scene where you knock them up?)

 

[MoneyMan181]

it's her cunnilingus skills she's bragging about. i guess it's weird the scene talks more about arona's dick than her pussy, but it's written from an observers point of view; all the pussy action is hidden.

OK but there's literally 0 text about her using her mouth at all. An observer would still be able to see her munching on Arona's box but that's not even mentioned once. Literally all the scene talks about is Atugia using her hands to fondle Arona's junk and then the scene just ends. Just... this whole scene confuses me. It's not even remotely hot and things just end before they even get started. Makes me wonder why the guy even bothered to write it.

 

[zwagon]

OK but there's literally 0 text about her using her mouth at all. An observer would still be able to see her munching on Arona's box but that's not even mentioned once. Literally all the scene talks about is Atugia using her hands to fondle Arona's junk and then the scene just ends. Just... this whole scene confuses me. It's not even remotely hot and things just end before they even get started. Makes me wonder why the guy even bothered to write it.

arona's sitting on her face so her balls would get in the way of seeing it. but either way, the scene reads like someone wrote out an instant loss 2koma so that would be why the scene is like... that.

 

[Noone202]

Would someone mind letting me know the requirements/ trigger for Mai's preg stuff?
(and Miko's too)
(do you just have to sleep with them (to get them preg) or do you trigger a special scene where you knock them up?)

First, it's or. You can only knock up one per playthrough.
Second, you'll be given a choice between the sisters when you arrive on the Shrine. I don't remember the exact requirement, I think you must free Kiyoko?
Third, wait for their solo shift on the Waypoint
Four, do not help. Comfort them. You'll notice the scene, it's different.
Five, it's a one off.

 

[undyingrevenant]

One big thing I think thats gone semi under the radar is the stockades choice in the wayfort. I have only ever selected to keep it hidden, but I think it's technically a choice on whether you want content like people getting banged (ntr-lite wise) or whatever on it, but just not explicit whatsoever. The way it's presented, it's like something the mc exclusively uses for smut punishment or whatever daytime or nighttime, but in execution it's whether ailehs banging randos or not etc. It's presented really weird. Same with the cait temple where they'll be begging you to help them build it and achieve their dream and all, but the actual method of supposedly getting cait more attached is to spray her with a water bottle instead (metaphorically). (Can't wait for that time bomb either, since the only way to know building the temple is her turbo ho choice is to stalk forums, so Im guessing that'll eventually lead to a shit storm of some degree)

 

[Jötunn123]

The Player character's personality and dom/sub attitude also bounces pretty wildly between scenes that it can get a bit distracting.

 

[undyingrevenant]

The Player character's personality and dom/sub attitude also bounces pretty wildly between scenes that it can get a bit distracting.

I just want a good "elder sister"-like dom character. Brienne does it with low strength when you try to overpower her but options are getting pegged and beaten up by arona (which has it's place) and the rare npc thats ok, but I dunno, wish a party member had been something like briennes attitude but instead of "please help me" it was her dragging you up the stairs or pushing you against the wall, or like a dom arona that wasn't directly hard abuse dom