seriously? that is their explanation?... ouch my brain meats hurt.
I thought the gods just gained a sense of morality while being wraiths. Thus, they disguised themselves as the gods but they are still wraiths under that cover.
Exactly, they're uh... not good. Also they're not gods, they're wraiths. They are not corruptible like Marae, as Marae was as much a part of the world as she was a God. These are creatures outside of reality let into the world by wizards before the fall of civilization. You get an in-person example from Kassyra at the Winter Palace.
Not unsurprising? So he's surprised people are overestimating the PC? Is that really what he meant to say?
Marae is actually the goddess that resisted corruption the longest out of the entire pantheon.
OK sure not every interesting idea needs to be explored. Imagination is a powerful tool itself and all, right? The problem with that logic here is that the gods are an integral part of the story. You meet and have conversations with 3 of them and see another one without talking to them. Oh and you fuck two of them. You can even give your soul to one of them for "safekeeping". When they're this tied to the plot, I do think something that huge needs to be explored at least a little bit. It could literally change the foundation of the world and how everybody perceives it. It isn't just background info that can be hand-waved away anymore. You can excuse something like Mass Effect's star dying bit because the stars themselves aren't a main part of the plot and what Shepherd goes through. The same cannot be said for the gods in this game.
Like others have said, that's you putting your views onto a blank slate. My Champ could be a crusader of Velun or whatever and have his entire worldview rocked by this news. The champ can care about more than just stopping Kas because, you guessed it, they're a blank slate.
Anytime Tau_Iota delves into the ramifications of this plot point, you immediately go, "Nope, no proof." Obviously there's no proof, because we just have this tidbit of information to go on. But we can infer from that little bit and maybe figure things out before/if they ever happen. Nobody is saying any of this is fact, they're just strong possibilites given the information. Yet you just fervently deny the possibility of what he's saying because there's no hard proof for it.
Obviously there has to be SOME force driving the PC, there can't ever be a completely blank slate because then you could just say they don't give a shit about the plot and have them walk off into the ocean. But seeing how the game allows you to choose your own very general backstory, doesn't really enforce any ideas onto the PC('cept for TOBS shit), lets you completely customize their appearance, and allows you to choose how the PC behaves(very vaguely but still), I'd say it's definitely enough to be considered a blank slate.
So the Pc is strong enough to have every single god be interested in their soul and is the only one who even pose a threat to Kas and tries to stop her but at the same time they're not strong enough to surpass the almighty dev self inserts. Mallach forbid there was an illusion of choice and the actual universe is somewhat believable.Not unsurprising? So he's surprised people are overestimating the PC? Is that really what he meant to say?
So clearly what he should have said was that it isn't surprising that people overestimate the PC (in his eyes), because of all the crazy things that would point towards the PC actually being someone noteworthy.
None of those interactions are main story. The only godly interaction tied to the main plot is basically a short scene of Lumia.
Honestly, they aren't really a blank slate, but that's beside the point. The champ has certain baked in aspects - one of them is his goal is Kass. Above pretty much all else. The focus of the game and the champs goals are inmutable.
Well no, and you just...completely switched subjects. We were talking about me being dismissive of the idea that this plot point needs to be developed, which is a completely different conversation than debating theories with Tau.
I think the problem is way worse in COC2, I can't recall in TITS, being randomly sucker punched out of nowhere and knocked out, then being called a weakling without being able to do anything to stop it,
It mainly happens in scenes with certain other characters, for example in the kemono girl at the tavros bar that you can romance. In one of the scenes, a zil comes to the bar and for some reason flirts with the Kemono friends, and while the PC is completely useless from the Zil pheromones and basically has to watch pathetically until the kemono girl breaks out of the pheromones herself and beats the zil up... Yeah an untrained girl going to an university or something like that does something a max stat Steele can't do.
In TITS there is a ship full of morons that sucker punch your ship then steamroll their way on board yours and you have zero recourse against them, cause they are just better than you. Some of the worst writing I ever saw in the game. Caused a big stink for a bit on the forum too.
