The sun death was actually supposed to be a major plot point of ME3 but people figured it out so the devs threw a fit and scrapped it, so CoC2 devs don't have a monopoly on being petty I guess...
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They literally changed the game ending because of it. And then threw another fit when people didn't like that. And then the ME cash cow died so maybe the devs of CoC2 should think about that when they bring up their "next game" talk.
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but she is. that is literally what demons do.
corruption is a self replicating magical energy that twists everything around it. it twists people, it twists the terrain. when a person has a critical mass of corruption, it pushes their soul out of their body and solidifies it into lethicite. crystals of solidified soul that can be used to fuel magic. The former person is now a demon, with corruption taking the place of a soul.
demons can eat souls too, which slowly over time accumulate, replenishing them ability to feel emotions and have desires beyond sadism. but by that point their personality has been so warped they don't want to change. and they are still super corrupted so they still enjoy it.
Anyways, demon invasion is a direct threat to the food source of deities who eat souls.
- Aug 22, 2018
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You keep insisting Kas is evil and I've agreed every time. I have not said she's not evil. I don't understand the purpose of telling me she's evil when I said "Yes, she's evil."
Our gods not interfering is different, because they almost never have. These gods break precedent (much like Greek gods, who weren't perceived as "good" in the sense that we ascribe to deities) and actively dick around with people. In some fiction, yeah sure the gods are active forces that for some reason don't get involved. But those gods are actually the gods they claim to be. Therefore, it doesn't have the same weight as a monster pretending to be that god. The intrigue comes from the fact that it's pretending to be a god and claiming to be so good and wonderful, and then they sit there and watch.
Never has it been stated in or out of the game that they ever stopped being wraiths. They are still wraiths, they just have higher brain function now. It's safe to infer that the wraiths continue eating... I mean why wouldn't they...?
What do you expect someone would think after being told that the souleaters became gods? That they stopped being souleaters? Not to mention, wraiths eating your soul = actual permadeath. Demon fucks out your soul, you're corrupted but you're still kicking. It's extremely relevant, as well. Is the world truly safe when there's still soulsuckers cosplaying gods?
Also sure, RPGs do have some rails. However, take Daggerfall. You could completely ignore the main quest if you wanted and just live your best life. Not to mention this game was intended to be closer to a TTRPG than a video game RPG, so bringing up Baldur's Gate and Daggerfall is a bit meaningless given that's not the type of game they're trying to make.
Also you can get around it. Never interact with the main quest,and chill out in the starter areas. You have now abandoned Savarrah, and are free to live a happy life in your rent-free inn
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he said nothing of the sort in the post you quoted. He said she is evil much earlier in the argument.
But the post you quoted is just him correctly pointing out that Kas does in fact threaten the food source of the gods. something you claimed she is not doing and also that is the god's bottom line.
Kas takes souls from the good, which is their food.
- Aug 22, 2018
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See the devs fucked up because there's the "soul" that demons fuck out of you, and then there's the Qi-type soul that the wraiths eat. Demons don't touch your Qi, only your soul. If anything, Kasyrra hasn't been stopped because of the possibility of her exploding the population and providing so much more food for them.
- Aug 22, 2018
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See above for the majority, but yes it isn't explicitly said "Kas is evil" but like yes we understand her goals. However, she doesn't threaten the foodsource. Wraiths and demons can easily coexist
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seriously? that is their explanation?... ouch my brain meats hurt.
hmm, it sounds like those "gods" would actually be supporting her out of the misguided belief they are going to have a ton more (demonic) worshipers. Even though demons don't worship gods, they corrupt them
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The background lore excuse is a shitty argument because the the twist in question is something foundational that would flip the whole universe on its head were it to get out, its not just a neat little fun fact like how the mass effect works or how the bloodlines work in Tolkien elf society. There was literally and I mean *literally* no reason to reveal it just to leave the thread hanging. It's almost like the devs were trying to jerk themselves off about their super epic world, which wouldn't be the first time I suppose. They also are good at undermining the player, like how apparently Sanders and Garths wife could beat the PC together without any effort or how Kas canonically would be defeated by another mortal every single time if the PC were to fail.
I thought the gods just gained a sense of morality while being wraiths. Thus, they disguised themselves as the gods but they are still wraiths under that cover.
- Aug 22, 2018
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Exactly, they're uh... not good. Also they're not gods, they're wraiths. They are not corruptible like Marae, as Marae was as much a part of the world as she was a God. These are creatures outside of reality let into the world by wizards before the fall of civilization. You get an in-person example from Kassyra at the Winter Palace.
Not unsurprising? So he's surprised people are overestimating the PC? Is that really what he meant to say?
Honestly this all just feels like an attempt to pre-defend the devs when they predictably do nothing with this whole God lore.
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Marae is actually the goddess that resisted corruption the longest out of the entire pantheon.
The trickster god had its temple sacked, he died fighting the demons and managed to run away as a soul and have it hide away inside Urta where it is currently comatose (urta quest awakens him, then she births him into a new body).
Marae's sister, Farah, was corrupted willingly and then sealed by Marae.
Rest of pantheon was either corrupted or killed.
Marae was the only deity that is actually active in the world at the time of the game start. And all she is doing is purifying the lake from which she drinks water slightly slower than the demons are corrupting it via their industrialized corruption factory, one they built specifically to take out Marae. (since she lacks mobility)
- Sep 6, 2019
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OK sure not every interesting idea needs to be explored. Imagination is a powerful tool itself and all, right? The problem with that logic here is that the gods are an integral part of the story. You meet and have conversations with 3 of them and see another one without talking to them. Oh and you fuck two of them. You can even give your soul to one of them for "safekeeping". When they're this tied to the plot, I do think something that huge needs to be explored at least a little bit. It could literally change the foundation of the world and how everybody perceives it. It isn't just background info that can be hand-waved away anymore. You can excuse something like Mass Effect's star dying bit because the stars themselves aren't a main part of the plot and what Shepherd goes through. The same cannot be said for the gods in this game.
Like others have said, that's you putting your views onto a blank slate. My Champ could be a crusader of Velun or whatever and have his entire worldview rocked by this news. The champ can care about more than just stopping Kas because, you guessed it, they're a blank slate.
Anytime Tau_Iota delves into the ramifications of this plot point, you immediately go, "Nope, no proof." Obviously there's no proof, because we just have this tidbit of information to go on. But we can infer from that little bit and maybe figure things out before/if they ever happen. Nobody is saying any of this is fact, they're just strong possibilites given the information. Yet you just fervently deny the possibility of what he's saying because there's no hard proof for it.
That's kind of a textbook case of being dismissive, no?
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Obviously there has to be SOME force driving the PC, there can't ever be a completely blank slate because then you could just say they don't give a shit about the plot and have them walk off into the ocean. But seeing how the game allows you to choose your own very general backstory, doesn't really enforce any ideas onto the PC('cept for TOBS shit), lets you completely customize their appearance, and allows you to choose how the PC behaves(very vaguely but still), I'd say it's definitely enough to be considered a blank slate.