Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[MangaKing]

Getting attacked, and even boarded isn't the problem. Everything that happens after is the problem. You get zero chance to fight back, zero chance to tell them to fuck the hell off your ship, and zero chance to execute them like they deserve. Absolute garbage writing that legit made me quit the game for well over a year. I seriously hope QuestyRobo never writes for any game I ever play again.

Player agency seems like a thing these guys struggle with or maybe really don't care about honestly

 

[Wrynn13]

Player agency seems like a thing these guys struggle with or maybe really don't care about honestly

TITS is really much better about that than CoC2 is, this scene in particular (well series of scenes cause it just doesn't end...) is very out of place and should never have been greenlit. I think the writer must have given Fen a ton of cash to insert his garbage.

 

[Thisguy2]

In TITS there is a ship full of morons that sucker punch your ship then steamroll their way on board yours and you have zero recourse against them, cause they are just better than you. Some of the worst writing I ever saw in the game. Caused a big stink for a bit on the forum too.

Aight time for my first rant comment

THIS is the main reason i never get invested in Savin piece of shit games. That fucker has no control over his writers or his own egos that its crazy. Imagine actually spending hours tolerating the always boring and tedious combat of these games to get to the good part, THE WRITING.
Only for a random character you never saw or heard about just show up and just bends your character over and deep dicks them and make them look like a total nerd, your practically maxed stat and level out and character is strong enough to fight armies one handed and planetoid monsters and elderich demons but they can't stop Captain Numbnuts oc because they're buddy buddy with with the creator of the game.
This is why i forever play these games on story mode and just skip to just interacting with characters i like.

 

[IcemanR]

so gay and futa is avoidable?

its cool, ill just not play this one

Yes it is avoidable if you READ all hints and dialogue. Just play the game and reload bad decisions

 

[Wrynn13]

Aight time for my first rant comment

THIS is the main reason i never get invested in Savin piece of shit games. That fucker has no control over his writers or his own egos that its crazy. Imagine actually spending hours tolerating the always boring and tedious combat of these games to get to the good part, THE WRITING.
Only for a random character you never saw or heard about just show up and just bends your character over and deep dicks them and make them look like a total nerd, your practically maxed stat and level out and character is strong enough to fight armies one handed and planetoid monsters and elderich demons but they can't stop Captain Numbnuts oc because they're buddy buddy with with the creator of the game.
This is why i forever play these games on story mode and just skip to just interacting with characters i like.

It's why I play these games with the wiki open, I will never go into a encounter blind again. It's amazing how much rage just thinking about this again is bringing up. Pretty stupid over a bloody porn game but there you have it.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Honestly, they aren't really a blank slate, but that's beside the point. The champ has certain baked in aspects - one of them is his goal is Kass. Above pretty much all else. The focus of the game and the champs goals are inmutable.

How are they not a blank slate when their only especially definable trait is that they're going after Kas? Everything else is variable. Regardless of that, it's pretty insane to imply that the champ can have no goals other than Kasyrra. I guess side quests shouldn't exist because Kas is the only thing that matters going by what you're saying. Again, Champ can care about more than one thing, dude.

Well no, and you just...completely switched subjects. We were talking about me being dismissive of the idea that this plot point needs to be developed, which is a completely different conversation than debating theories with Tau.

I don't see how they're mutually exclusive.

Let's go by what happened:
I say it would be a good idea to further expand the whole god wraith thing since there's basically no info on it. You say it's unnecessary. Tau is debating this in the first place because there isn't any further information on the subject. You say that there isn't any proof to back up his theories, etc.

That to me shows that you're dismissive of the idea that it should be added because you won't even entertain a "what if" people bring up just for curiosity's sake and go out of your way to stamp out that idea despite there being no right or wrong here. It would be one thing if you indulged in such theories for fun or didn't bother to respond to them at all. But to go out of your way to try and somehow prove his theories wrong when you could have just left it at, "I don't think we need more info on it", seems needlessly negative to me, at least over something so harmless.

 

[Boardguy]

I stopped playing tits, who exactly are the fuckheads who board your ship?

 

[Heremus]

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So I wanted to take a jab at this, because it feels like the evidence we could get will be lackluster. What are the odds of the God Wraith plotline ending up as "We get prayed to, so we take an infinitesimal amount of their soul with each prayer"?
Sounds pretty on brand, doesn't it?

 

[Heremus]

I stopped playing tits, who exactly are the fuckheads who board your ship?

Shizuya's crew. You get mistaken for one of their bounty targets, and disarmed without any skill checks. Ship is in disrepair, so you have to wait it out between the two crews, your own ship and theirs.
Course, it doesn't take into account anything that has been implemented since then, such as unique ships (Dr. Teyaal's Sidewinder).

 

[Boardguy]

Shizuya's crew. You get mistaken for one of their bounty targets, and disarmed without any skill checks. Ship is in disrepair, so you have to wait it out between the two crews, your own ship and theirs.
Course, it doesn't take into account anything that has been implemented since then, such as unique ships (Dr. Teyaal's Sidewinder).

How the hell would you mistake someone else's ship for your targets, did they even try contacting the ship before boarding to see if they go the wrong people or check identification since this is space? How the hell would you even get steamrolled without a check of any kind or accounting for different ships? This entire event sounds really contrived.

 

[Heremus]

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"After responding to a distress signal, Steele is ambushed by Shizuya and her crew, having been mistaken for a contract target."
Said ship Shizuya has is a light freighter as described by the wiki, and the only other ship that's typed as a "light freighter" is Kaede's, but they're comparable in size to most player owned ships.
There's no way to really defend it, it leaves a sour sneer on my mouth.

 

[Boardguy]

"After responding to a distress signal, Steele is ambushed by Shizuya and her crew, having been mistaken for a contract target."

Yeah, but how, they are smart enough to somehow lure you into an ambush and somehow beat you but not verify they got the right target/ship? Wouldn't their initial target come with a description and the minute they get on board or see you think they might have gotten the wrong guy/gal? I guess you can argue modding makes that harder to do but... wouldn't your info be relatively up to date? Does it take into account your ship can change a lot cause that seems like a thing to account for.

 

[Heremus]

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It really just ends up leaving a lot of questions that can pull a lot of people out of the experience. And it sure as hell did.
It's been four years since she's been added, by the by.

 

[CaffeinatedPersone]

It really just ends up leaving a lot of questions that can pull a lot of people out of the experience. And it sure as hell did.
It's been four years since she's been added, by the by.

Wait it’s been unchanged for four years sheesh I just skip it because of the text dump

 

[Heremus]

Besides bug patches, yeah.

Wait it’s been unchanged for four years sheesh I just skip it because of the text dump

And no content has been added since, as far as I can tell.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Recruiting most of the people in Mass effect 2 and doing their loyalty mission is all optional. But, it explains your companions motivations and why they are capable of certain things.

This is the biggest take away with ME2. You don't have to do their loyalty missions. You don't have to recruit everyone, but guess what happens? People fucking die. You showed no investment in their character, and the character still has personal doubts and fears that eat away at them in the final mission so they mess up and get themselves killed. They can even get other people killed if you don't do their loyalty mission. Brilliant example, right there. Side content is often very important in well-made RPGs. It won't prevent you from getting the "You Winner!" screen if you don't do them, but you most likely won't get the best outcome either.

So I wanted to take a jab at this, because it feels like the evidence we could get will be lackluster. What are the odds of the God Wraith plotline ending up as "We get prayed to, so we take an infinitesimal amount of their soul with each prayer"?
Sounds pretty on brand, doesn't it?

It sounds on brand, but it would be something people would start to notice yknow? What I was implying was that as the mortal body died the wraith would scoop up the Qi/Soul bullshit thing and eat it. No one ever passes on to the afterlife anymore, because when you die you become Wraith chow. It protects their godly image of "Oh yeah we're totally not Wraiths" but also allows them to dine on them sweet, sweet life-juice bottles.

I'm very confused, can I get a brief rundown on all this Gods = Wraiths stuff means?

So a long time ago, Savarrah was in a golden age and everything was fucking awesome. Then some wizards at the Wizard College (TM) opened up a portal, but it went to nowhere. In that space between worlds live things called wraiths, and these wraiths came in. Tl;dr on the lore, the wraiths starting eating people's life force and basically steamrolled the world. Then, some wraiths gained sentience and decided that they did not want to be destroyers and pretended to be the Gods that everyone worshipped. They defeated the wraiths and then a few hundred yeats pass, and then Kas shows up. These wraiths are still pretending to be gods, and now you know

Also shout outs to Moneyman but it's all good. Skandranon lives for the debate, and so do I. They can disagree with me up, down, left, and right. It keeps the environment healthy because it doesn't become an echochamber. Although I wish I could get a better answer on why I should trust these abominations...

Edit: The only thing I actually extremely disagree with is the "Your character is not a blank slate" argument. If they weren't, I wouldn't be offered to choose a background/class/eye color/defining trait/dick size/race/etc. I would be John/Jane CoC2, here to finish the fight. But I'm not. I'm ImperialGuardsman, who wandered from a far away land, seeking answers on how the Blades could fail defending the Emperor. Instead, I've been burdened with the responsibility of saving a land I have no attachment to, yet as an Imperial Guardsman I cannot help but be there for any citizen. It's written into my AI, after all.

 

[Jötunn123]

So basically, they are sort of Eldritch Abominations instead of actual Gods in the capital G sense.

 

[Boardguy]

Yes, they were pretty much wild animals eating a shit ton of people until they randomly sprouted a conscious and then masqueraded as the missing gods. We still don't even know why the original 7 are missing/gone in the first place, it doesn't seem like they killed each other and there was no corruption yet.

 

[Tau_Iota]

So basically, they are sort of Eldritch Abominations instead of actual Gods in the capital G sense.

Essentially, yes. They're also responsible for the demonic looking monsters in the Glacial Rift, not Kas. (Not saying the gods are, but the monsters are "Wraith Chimeras" not Demon Chimeras). In case you want to read more about the Godswar

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[Wrynn13]

So basically, they are sort of Eldritch Abominations instead of actual Gods in the capital G sense.

Depends on how the lore works out. Plenty of stories have people/things become gods because they are worshiped and not the other way around. Of course with this crew I'd bet nothing is actually planned/thought out and they just spout random bullshit.