I think he has daddy issues personally
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Yeah I get what you mean but at that point I attribute it all to the writer. Bubble made the character and the quest and didn't account for all these questions we're bringing up because...idk, reasons I guess.
Quinn's older quest itself is pretty nonsensical. I think the reasoning given for MC needing to buy the stuff is because Quinn is in cultist robes and doesn't want the villagers to see him and maybe a little bit of him testing to see if we'd help him/he could trust us. But like...no one had a cloak he could use to go on his own? You're right that someone escaping from a cult would probably want to arm themselves and find - if not a safe haven - then people he can trust to watch his back. And if you're running from a cult, tho the MC is strong, they are actively working against and thus always interacting with the cult so, maybe not the best group to latch onto if you don't want the cult to find you lol.
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I do find it weird that their approach to kinu was the whole "no father you may not boink me or rub my tails" instead of the way frejas handled which is a lot more natural building of "no why would I do that she's my potato". Ie kinus approached as tobs saying "I know you want to bang her, it'll never happen, but I know you do, here's her nude" while meanwhile frejas depicted as being a "mus protecc" and giving her plushies etc. It's a smut game and all but the approaches are like tobs is secretly a fan of incest while frejas just a depiction of a actual kid you toss in the air and call you "ba ba" etc. If you can't or don't like incest content frejas approach is much better
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Just give it time, it will be better later on.
I believe that anyone and anything can change for the better if we give it time.
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Really I don't even know why devs use, "Well champ isn't actually that strong." logic. OK even if the champ isn't strong, they have 2 8 foot tall amazons that are ride or die and a ranger/knight that is the leader of a kingdom that wants to marry you. And those are just the companions that would do basically whatever you ask of them. It doesn't even matter if the champ is strong when the people they are fucking with are strong.
Also if Gweyr and Sanders are actually that strong, why are they not the protagonists? You could maybe make an excuse for Gweyr since she's a fucking psycho, but you really mean to tell me Sanders is that much more powerful than my character and all he does is sit in a chapel while the world gets corrupted? My fucking ass.
Unless the character is a God or Kas, nothing has been done to show other characters being more powerful than PC. Why are they so infatuated with their own characters?
Y'know, it's a miracle I never considered bringing Quin to meet Gweyr. Kinda curious if there's anything interesting exchanged between the two, probably not. But I'd imagine Quin getting cold feet in the Arctic, even as a firewalker.
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I was mostly joking in that post, but I do agree with you that Quin could be a better character, if he was fleshed out, or certain aspects of his character was explained. For example I've always seen him in a similar light to Zevran for DAO. A character that I didn't really like at first, and saw no reason to trust. I pretty much killed Zev in most of my early play throughs of DAO, and even in the few instance where I let him live, I barely interacted with him. (Surprisingly he's never betrayed me in Denerim.)
But, when I finally decided to see his content, I realized mostly stats wise he's better than Lelianna imo, and his story isn't a bad one. A good way to fix Quin seeming like an idiot for joining the cult would be to say he was born into it. Maybe Tollus has a harem and Quin is born from one of Tollus's many lovers. Maybe the cult kidnapped him and raised him in it. Much in the same way that Zevran was forced to be an Antivan Crows. Anyone of these options would work for me. It still gives the player a reason to distrust Quin as his story could be complete bs. But, its less stupid then "I joined cult cause I thought would be fun, and then realized I was wrong."
Next if were going with the alternative story I'm suggesting it would explain his personality. Both version would explain why he's so hypersexual (I know the current story already does it, but I still feel like more could be done with Quin besides I just really like sex. We don't need two Caits) If he's one of Tollus's son's maybe he put on a pedestal and treated like a god. Getting to have sex with who ever he wants because people don't want to piss Tollus off. Maybe once he realizes people are just being nice to him, because he's related to Tollus he starts to question things. Maybe he over hears the female cultist saying he's not as good at sex as he thinks. Maybe the men who he considers his friends are just suck ups. All this could motivate to him leave as he want something more genuine.
In the version where he's forced into the cult, maybe he uses his natural charisma to seduce women, and maybe he is an actual sex god, and he uses his charms to advance in the cult, until finally he finds an opportunity to leave. Maybe the cult is going to sacrifice him because they find him so insufferable, or they've created some new cuthllu type monster and that finally pushes him to risk it all in an escape.
And like you suggested maybe once he meets the champ he genuinely is concerned, but doesn't know what to do or who he can trust. This leads to him relying on the champion. I also think if he was better written so he came across as charming/funny it would do a lot to endear people to him. While I was never charmed by Zevran I will admit he has some of the funniest dialogue in DAO. Also I've never spared Loghain, but I absolutely love the interactions between the two.
But, the most basic thing Bubs could do to make Quin come across like less of a twat, is simply make Quin actually care about his own fucking life. Even if Quin was just helping the champion out simply trying to preserve his own life, I would like him more.
But these are my suggestions for a character I barely like, and only think about when people bring him up in this forum. It honestly feels like I put more thought into this character than the writer. Which if this is really a self insert, it is a pretty piss poor
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Gweyr and sanders I get because they're the "old guard", and they've both had combat experience. Sanders the deus vult type while gweyrs the "they can't cast magic if their throats cut" type. They're both friends, allies and teachers and youre supposed to respect them and not want to fight them anyway. Like older legendary boxers that may have once growled and bit a man's ear off, that sort of thing. But besides those, they seem to want to basically do like a, I dunno, kingdom hearts is the easiest example I can think of gameplay wise, or devil may cry maybe where gameplay wise you can be the baddest mf'er on the continent, but a cutscenes happens and then a kobold beats your ass and cucks you. Eventually, when the level cap increases, you could literally be a master magician that's a something tailed kitsune, champion of a Lovecraft thingy, with legendary artifacts, but leofric will whimper and knock you out with his dong.Most optimistic person in this thread.
Really I don't even know why devs use, "Well champ isn't actually that strong." logic. OK even if the champ isn't strong, they have 2 8 foot tall amazons that are ride or die and a ranger/knight that is the leader of a kingdom that wants to marry you. And those are just the companions that would do basically whatever you ask of them. It doesn't even matter if the champ is strong when the people they are fucking with are strong.
Also if Gweyr and Sanders are actually that strong, why are they not the protagonists? You could maybe make an excuse for Gweyr since she's a fucking psycho, but you really mean to tell me Sanders is that much more powerful than my character and all he does is sit in a chapel while the world gets corrupted? My fucking ass.
Unless the character is a God or Kas, nothing has been done to show other characters being more powerful than PC. Why are they so infatuated with their own characters?
If they want their ocs they need to give them flaws and/or have them be doing stuff. Like lotr (by no means this is lotr) but if you have random op things around they are doing stuff, fighting in the west or the east, protecting the weak or holding back a side while you're cutting through the middle etc. As it stands they all look like they're just doing duke nukem quotes while in a bar and that creates the issue.
- Mar 15, 2019
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Agree with this sentiment. That Sanders and Gweyr should be the bench mark for how strong we can be/become by the end of the game. It would help if we got a moment where we got to fight side by side with them briefly, and then afterwords the game establishes because of their age or some other reason why they can't be the ones out questing anymore. (Think it might already have been established. Not sure) They should be treated like Zero at the start of Mega-Man X and by time we reach the end we've completely surpassed them. Maybe just before the final battle we could fight them to learn our ultimate technique.
Also side note Dante has only lost to Vergil. No one else in the series was properly motivated to take him down. Bad ass in cutscene. Bad ass outside of them. (Also you might be able to convince me the Beowulf fight is a draw)
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it will be unfucked when someone is willing to mod this shit show
I'm actually cool with the champ not being uber strong right now but this was flippin hilarious. If the world is in this much danger why is NO ONE actually doing anything?! It's pretty idioticMost optimistic person in this thread.
Really I don't even know why devs use, "Well champ isn't actually that strong." logic. OK even if the champ isn't strong, they have 2 8 foot tall amazons that are ride or die and a ranger/knight that is the leader of a kingdom that wants to marry you. And those are just the companions that would do basically whatever you ask of them. It doesn't even matter if the champ is strong when the people they are fucking with are strong.
Also if Gweyr and Sanders are actually that strong, why are they not the protagonists? You could maybe make an excuse for Gweyr since she's a fucking psycho, but you really mean to tell me Sanders is that much more powerful than my character and all he does is sit in a chapel while the world gets corrupted? My fucking ass.
Unless the character is a God or Kas, nothing has been done to show other characters being more powerful than PC. Why are they so infatuated with their own characters?
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Because it's not in danger, as they all quietly recognize that nothing Kasyrra is doing will break the status quo
Every new Coc2 player turning on Tobs for ruining the kitsunes so much.
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With the amount of special Oc and "champions" in the world but KM is still getting fucked by Imps, I just assume everyone really just wants the world to end or they really hate minotaurs.
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Funnily enough just started a Kitsune play-through in the Xianxia mod, and already the Kitsune there treat me better than Kiyoko. Get a cute attendant in Ayane who is willing to teach me the Kitsune culture. She's not even my wife in this game and she treats me better than Kiyoko and Kinu. Maybe not all Kitsunes are racist, self important twats
Kitsunes are not racist self important twats. Tobs are.
Having said that I wonder if Tobs turned that way because his daddy always go away to save the world and he ends up with Daddy issues and part incest fetish.
Oh wait...
