Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Kallisto]

I mean B wrote the last berwyn stuff which apparently took a while but even then the sex scenes after the tf on Berwyn are apparently all the same besides the variables. Besides this one thing though is the fact it's apparently a rewrite. Which seems a bit weird.

B's scenes have always been like that which is one reason I don't jive with their stuff. In Tits, their patches would be prefaced with "And has lots of variables!" but it ends up being slight changes or a different intro paragraph that then feeds into the same sex scene. Whereas other writers might write 2-3 unique sex scenes.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

B's scenes have always been like that which is one reason I don't jive with their stuff. In Tits, their patches would be prefaced with "And has lots of variables!" but it ends up being slight changes or a different intro paragraph that then feeds into the same sex scene. Whereas other writers might write 2-3 unique sex scenes.

Fair and true, but I think B nails consistently "Good enough" content. And while a lot of their characters are just Brooke from CoC but tweaked, it's different enough each time to not be completely stale and they stand out from the rest of the cast (normally by having reasonable proportions and taking a little time to get to sex scenes). Unlike most authors for CoC2, B's greatest sin has been their lack of notorious or stand-out content, Berwyn's end is the worst, but someone was going to write it, at least it ends... happily (rather than spitefully for the character)?
They also did Frosty the snow-wyrm, so that earns a lot of good will from me as one of the few non-humanoid love interests in all these games ( I don't really count 'taurs as all the emphasis is on the human part).

 

[Basty96]

Fair and true, but I think B nails consistently "Good enough" content. And while a lot of their characters are just Brooke from CoC but tweaked, it's different enough each time to not be completely stale and they stand out from the rest of the cast (normally by having reasonable proportions and taking a little time to get to sex scenes). Unlike most authors for CoC2, B's greatest sin has been their lack of notorious or stand-out content, Berwyn's end is the worst, but someone was going to write it, at least it ends... happily (rather than spitefully for the character)?
I think they also did Frosty the snow-wyrm, so that earns a lot of good will from me as one of the few non-humanoid love interests in all these games.

if you'd looked two posts above yours you'd see that yes the Frostwyrm and Nykke are B's characters

 

[A Burning Conscience]

if you'd looked two posts above yours you'd see that yes the Frostwyrm and Nykke are B's characters

Ah I misread that as Nykke THE frostwyrm, seeing as she's a hybrid. Corrected.

 

[Daken9]

Fair and true, but I think B nails consistently "Good enough" content. And while a lot of their characters are just Brooke from CoC but tweaked, it's different enough each time to not be completely stale and they stand out from the rest of the cast (normally by having reasonable proportions and taking a little time to get to sex scenes). Unlike most authors for CoC2, B's greatest sin has been their lack of notorious or stand-out content, Berwyn's end is the worst, but someone was going to write it, at least it ends... happily (rather than spitefully for the character)?
They also did Frosty the snow-wyrm, so that earns a lot of good will from me as one of the few non-humanoid love interests in all these games ( I don't really count 'taurs as all the emphasis is on the human part).

Don't dislike him or anything but wouldn't say his stuff is a draw for me at all. I guess dog-girl in TiTs is good (if you look past the trademark terrible threesomes) but in this game only character of his i care about is Lyric, and even then they're not top 10 or anything. Which i guess not bad record considering he's got three characters total in the game, but still. His three latest updates were one terrible (Agni), one forgettable (Zo), and one disappointing (Berwyn, although expected it). Skow can be pretty terrible, forgettable and disappointing himself, but at this point i'll easily rank B lower than him. At least until he pumps out some more decent stuff with mostly no drawbacks (like Jae'lyn and Aileh), then we can talk.

 

[Kallisto]

Fair and true, but I think B nails consistently "Good enough" content.

Yeah I can somewhat agree with that. He gave us Eitan in Tits as a companion when the roster for male companions there was like....2 (Kase who is a femboi -still has some fun content tho- and Ben/Bess)? And like you said, his characters usually have some interesting questlines before getting them. It's just I'm usually left wanting more. Like Lyric is adorable but B has the pc treat Lyric like a dumb creature that they find a little creepy, so it kills the interactions for me. Eitan when you finally get to his sex scenes has that same problem of little things being different but the scenes all feed into the same ending, which is disappointing. Zo felt like Paige but more boring and feminizing Berwyn more isn't something I want to do (I've yet to interact with Agni so can't speak on that).

TLDR: B is decent but there's always something I end up disappointed about with their content.

 

[Heremus]

TLDR: B is decent but there's always something I end up disappointed about with their content.

Biggest issue I had with Eitan is the effort to get someone with hardly any input to date. There's been instances of characters in other scenes of TITS, but like Berwyn, Eitan feels absent, too?
I guess I can say that as a case of pity and not anger, though.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

If the worst thing about them is they leave you wanting more, then I think it's safe to say there are bigger things to worry about when it comes to CoC2 writers.
Now if that was a critique of their bedroom performance...
As to Agni, she's... fine... very barebones, barely any content, nothing really unique to the game aside from her introduction and concept, but then she's another character who falls victim to the intro, 3 sex scenes and done, trap.
I'd still rank Berwyn's end as worst B content, but that's because of the baggage surrounding it more than the writing.

 

[Heremus]

If the worst thing about them is they leave you wanting more, then I think it's safe to say there are bigger things to worry about when it comes to CoC2 writers.
Now if that was a critique of their bedroom performance...
As to Agni, she's... fine... very barebones, barely any content, nothing really unique to the game aside from her introduction and concept, but then she's another character who falls victim to the intro, 3 sex scenes and done, trap.
I'd still rank Berwyn's end as worst B content, but that's because of the baggage surrounding it more than the writing.

You forgot the "turn futa" option for Agni, too. Though I sorta enjoyed it briefly, it isn't really something that makes a difference, which fits the barebones point.

 

[CluelessReader]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this, but I feel like there was a massive opportunity missed with Cait being revealed to have been a disguised demon working with Kassyrra, back before they made the entire point of 'stop the corruption' feel moot with everyone already being sex addicts

It works if you look at the beginning of the game. Cait manages to 'miraculously' escape the Cult, the only person that was traveling with her ends up getting sacrificed before you can learn anything, she decides to 'accompany' The Player in their journey, and 'just so happens' to be in a religion that believes in casual sex.
Would have been one hell of a twist at the end of the game for Cait to leave your party and appear on the enemy's side.

 

[M0nte]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this, but I feel like there was a massive opportunity missed with Cait being revealed to have been a disguised demon working with Kassyrra, back before they made the entire point of 'stop the corruption' feel moot with everyone already being sex addicts

It works if you look at the beginning of the game. Cait manages to 'miraculously' escape the Cult, the only person that was traveling with her ends up getting sacrificed before you can learn anything, she decides to 'accompany' The Player in their journey, and 'just so happens' to be in a religion that believes in casual sex.
Would have been one hell of a twist at the end of the game for Cait to leave your party and appear on the enemy's side.

That sounds like a slap to the face to all Cait fans.

 

[Raf-Raf]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this, but I feel like there was a massive opportunity missed with Cait being revealed to have been a disguised demon working with Kassyrra, back before they made the entire point of 'stop the corruption' feel moot with everyone already being sex addicts

It works if you look at the beginning of the game. Cait manages to 'miraculously' escape the Cult, the only person that was traveling with her ends up getting sacrificed before you can learn anything, she decides to 'accompany' The Player in their journey, and 'just so happens' to be in a religion that believes in casual sex.
Would have been one hell of a twist at the end of the game for Cait to leave your party and appear on the enemy's side.

I already experienced that kind of story from a happy game called Black Souls with a better twist at that.
If they'll try that sort of path, I can already see it in a way where it's written with so many cliches that anyone with a brain, no matter what the size WILL see it.

 

[muschi26]

corruption =/= sex

 

[Heremus]

That sounds like a slap to the face to all Cait fans.

I mean, with the whole situation regarding her priesthood, Evergreen, their odd hatred for demons despite rare instances of joining in with the player (Wayfort comes to mind), I dunno.

 

[MoneyMan181]

That sounds like a slap to the face to all Cait fans.

Same could be said for people who liked Aerith in FF7. A lot of characters people like in RPGs(and media in general) outright die. If it makes the story more interesting, I don't see why it shouldn't be done. It's not even like you're supposed to love her such as a character like Brienne(though I'd be fine with it even if it was).

corruption =/= sex

They need to define corruption better then. As is, most demons/corrupted people want to rape you into the ground and walk around naked. That's how it was in the first game and that's how it is in this one. So if that's how they show corruption most of the time, how am I supposed to distinguish corruption in a world that's already sex-crazed? Saying it's just "being obsessed over one particular thing" doesn't make much sense because Sandre and Caera are obsessed with each other and are just fine raping random people.

They either should've made the setting not be so liberal with sex and kept corruption as it was, or not make every demon obsessed with sex. As is, it's kinda hard to tell the difference between Lumia and Kasyrra considering Lumia allows the Orcs to pillage, rape, and enslave whoever they please.

 

[Heremus]

They need to define corruption better then. As is, most demons/corrupted people want to rape you into the ground and walk around naked. That's how it was in the first game and that's how it is in this one. So if that's how they show corruption most of the time, how am I supposed to distinguish corruption in a world that's already sex-crazed? Saying it's just "being obsessed over one particular thing" doesn't make much sense because Sandre and Caera are obsessed with each other and are just fine raping random people.
They either should've made the setting not be so liberal with sex and kept corruption as it was, or not make every demon obsessed with sex. As is, it's kinda hard to tell the difference between Lumia and Kasyrra considering Lumia allows the Orcs to pillage and rape whoever they please.

It's strange how morals are, but I think it's weirder the way they've introduced corruption in this world through our point of view. From the perspective of the player, we can get progressively corrupted through experiences with demons, but what if we started a game as an asshole (Dark Knight) already? Instant game over regarding corrupted scenarios, right? Is this a weird conundrum to be stuck on, or just me?

 

[MoneyMan181]

It's strange how morals are, but I think it's weirder the way they've introduced corruption in this world through our point of view. From the perspective of the player, we can get progressively corrupted through experiences with demons, but what if we started a game as an asshole (Dark Knight) already? Instant game over regarding corrupted scenarios, right? Is this a weird conundrum to be stuck on, or just me?

Yeah it's not just you, corruption just doesn't make sense. Here's some excerpts from the wiki:
"Corruption is the darker side of Libido. While Libido represents your sex drive and sexual stamina, Corruption is your sexual empathy, your shamelessness, and hedonism. It's a measure of your descent into the sexual madness of the demons, obsessed only with your own self-gratification."

"It is important to realize that pure is not necessary the same as good and corrupted is not necessarily the same as evil. It is perfectly possible for a pure PC to do evil deeds and for a corrupted one to do good deeds. When it comes to NPCs, several highly corrupted characters seem quite unaffected by it while others are actively fighting against their own corruption. There are also many completely pure NPCs who are motivated by their own kind of evil, independent of the demonic influences.

How Do I Get Corrupted?
The most direct way to gain Corruption is to partake of demonic fluids: that's a big +Corruption right there. Having demon cum or femcum splatter on you is a smaller +Corruption, but it's still there. Sexually abusing someone, forcing them to do things they don't want to do, and working to bring out their hidden fetishes grants you both +Corruption.

Generally speaking, you get Corruption by:

• Wallowing in demonic juices
• Being a rapey asshole
• Getting sexually assailed beyond your limits
• Devolving into rampant hedonism"

Being a rapey asshole makes you corrupted? Well then what the fuck is the point of "Pure PC doing evil deeds" then? Leaving Quin behind gives corruption and that is not sexual at all. Refusing to suck off Pavo for disguises should be the fucking OPPOSITE of corruption considering he can just give you the disguises for free but refuses to. That is not being rapey or an asshole, so what the hell is the qualification for being corrupted? I don't think rampant hedonism counts either because the world is already like that (*cough* Cait *cough*). I would definitely consider raping every single enemy you beat rampant hedonism yet all the enemies you fight are just fine and aren't corrupted.

I legitimately don't think the devs even have strict rules for what corruption even is besides ingesting demon cum. Is it generally evil acts or is it rampant sex? If it's rampant sex, how is the world not already corrupted? If it's evil acts, how come certain people aren't corrupted? Why does being a "rapey asshole" corrupt you when the only way to cum your soul out and become a demon is by having sex with a demon? What does being corrupt but not actually a demon even mean? Because Aileh seems like a perfectly normal person despite saying she's corrupted. They can't even pull a "Well the whole world was actually already corrupted!" because the PC starts with 0 corruption. Also a reminder that Hethia imprisoned Garret and fucking raped him for fun but y'know she's not corrupt at all, our PCs can do no wrong!

Seriously corruption is just nonsensical here. It's impossible to tell what's corrupted and what isn't because the rules and setting clash with each other so god damn hard. And now I hate the word corruption and every form of it for using it so many times.

 

[confusedcommoner]

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It is surprising how few things the dev team agrees on, even if it's core to narrative cohesion and player experience.

I don't understand why the Dark Knight personality is tied to corruption either, since most writers just treat it as a no-nonsense or crude Champ personality. It's pretty jarring when it jumps from that to a sadistic mustache twirling villain depending on the writer. I wish they'd commit to one or the other and clarify what corruption actually means for the player. Even Savin, the development lead, is inconsistent or at least nonsensical with the Pavo corruption point and Cait ass kiss purity point.

An impartial editor would do a lot for the game but there's too many egos involved and content already written at this point for that to happen, I think. Savin and co. seem to just give a pass to their peers without much, or any, review and it makes the game often feel like a compilation instead of the intended collaboration.

 

[Meatshield236]

One thing about Corruption that you see in CoC and TiTS is that it also measure's your body's mutability and how you respond to mutation. You get a lot of corruption in those games through indulging in shape-changing items, and it's implied that such changes do have an effect on your personality. There's also several degrees of corruption: a few changes into some standard stuff doesn't make you that corrupt, but going full chimeric monstrosity does, and that is reflected in both the mechanics and the characters you see (as far as I remember.)

In CoC2, Corruption is just a discount morality system, with arbitrary corruption gains and losses based off of how the author wants you to do things. It's a sort-of morality thing but also a way of having the author wag their finger at you. And whenever I look at a morality system, I always fall back to the classic Knights of the Old Republic and how it handled morality. In terms of "moral choice" it was the most basic "heal the puppy or stab the puppy" sort of situations, but mechanically it never punished you for any decision. Go full light side? Your light side force powers were cheaper. Kick every puppy on the planet? Now you can blast people with force lightning for days on end! Go somewhere in-between? You can use powers on both sides without any penalties.

By contrast, Corruption just... isn't. It isn't a mechanic, because you don't really get anything from being corrupt or pure. It's not a worldbuilding thing because it has no internal logic. And it's not a measure of morality, because it's arbitrary and random. Despite being in the title of the freaking game, it's not anything.

 

[Plumpunikitty]

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