Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Skandranon]

If there is someone who wants to write for Clementine (the sheep girl) that's great imo, if it they actually go through/get approval for it. Its nice the fan base likes this content enough where they want to see it improved. I think the fan base at times is the best part about this game.

But this also just highlights the quality control problem. The fact that the fans are stepping in and try to continue developing a character who have abandoned (I think Clem's writer left for reasons) shows how unpolished this game is. I also think having some random fan step in and take over even if they have the best of intentions can ironically make Clem worse.

See, here's where I think the disconnect is. Fans writing for characters is the gas that keeps the train moving.

CoC, TiTs, and CoC2 are community collaborations. They always have been. All of the writers currently writing this are just that - fans who wrote a bunch of stuff. Any writer in the future will be exactly the same thing. That's an intended function of process these games use, and it's what keeps content flowing in.

People writing content for characters they want to see more of isn't a bug, it's a feature.

 

[M0nte]

#justiceforelfboy

Yeah boy! You know whats up!
just finished over 7000 words for the elfboy dock but decided to cut back until I finish Estus, the Wasp boys and Mino guards. But Estus is close to 1/2 done and so are the guards so I who knows, maybe he will be finished next year... Or not, since I do have so many things I want to work one.

BRB, adding dommy futa demon girl no. 6 to the game. And maybe a third harem that's composed of 1) a tall, curvy, dark-skinned girl, 2) an average busty chick, and 3) a smaller, more petite girl.

How about a harem made out of northern Minos? Eh, eh! 3 subby twinks, femboys for you to plow or get plowed by.

Spoiler: Fuck man

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[muschi26]

Fans writing for characters is the gas that keeps the train moving.

Is it? Maybe the fans should get a slice of that 30k a month, then.

 

[Skandranon]

Is it? Maybe the fans should get a slice of that 30k a month, then.

They do already, you know?

People who write on commission are paid out of that same money.

William, Bubbles, Alypia, etc. None of them are staff iirc. They get paid through commissions from Savin and co.

 

[muschi26]

They do already, you know?

People who write on commission are paid out of that same money.

William, Bubbles, Alypia, etc. None of them are staff iirc. They get paid through commissions from Savin and co.

I thought you were talking about randos who submit stuff on the forums, whom Savin kindly asks to give up all ownership of their work, not regular contractors like the ones you just mentioned.

 

[Skandranon]

I thought you were talking about randos who submit stuff on the forums, whom Savin kindly asks to give up all ownership of their work, not regular contractors like the ones you just mentioned.

They're the same people though. The only difference is volume and time (possibly skill, that's debatable). You submit enough decent stuff, and eventually you get asked for more of it.

Heck, pretty sure Alypia's early Etheryn scenes weren't commissioned, just free stuff. B's genie he's working on between his regular stuff isn't commissioned. William has lot of non-commed stuff (and some of his comments are from other fans, not TiTs staff at all).

They're just fans who wrote a bunch of stuff and a lot of people liked it. That's it.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Mostly to add to the world. Not every NPC is supposed to be major, some are just there to fill space. Now, we can argue which NPCs deserve more content and which not but at the end of the day, it is all matter to individual.

If some are just there to fill space, why are most of them sexable? The only ones that aren't sexable are mostly shopkeepers IIRC. Like I get needing a decent amount of characters but there should be a limit, but 200 for only half-way through development with a world as underdeveloped as this just seems... wrong. I still feel like I'm not actually in the world, but just in the devs's playground. I'm pretty sure this game has more characters and a higher word-count than something like Fallout but it really doesn't feel like it. Instead of making something interesting with existing characters, they just keep adding more of these cookie cutter ones. Where is the interesting stuff like Marble's addiction from the first game? Or the evil witch in Tel'Adre? Growing your own waifu ala Ember? The only character that comes to mind to me and fits that same vein is Aileh.

For example, if you put the gun to my head and forced me to say what makes each futa in this game unique, ignoring the quadrupeds, I could do it in a heart beat.

ignoring the quadrupeds,

I mean that's just picking and choosing at that point but sure I'll bite. Aside from maybe Evergreen, Evelynn, and Valencia, they're all pretty damn similar to me. Big egos, big dicks, almost always doms - and barring Evergreen, Kaina, Klemaia, and Valencia - seems like all of them just treat you like a hole to fuck. Sure you can get into the nitty gritty about how Arona is more humiliating and a hard dom while Orlaith is more centered around serving her, but they all follow the same template if you ask me. There's no tsundere one, no cute submissive one(barring pupper who only has like 2 scenes), no insecure one, yadda yadda, you get the point.

Variety is something that I agree with, and I do believe that it is better to go for quality over quantity. But I do not think having many one offs like goo cat, milking ladies and all that is a problem in itself.

Having a reasonable amount of them, sure I can agree with your sentiment. But the game has so many to the point where it's taking time away and opportunities away from more substantial characters that would be much better with that time and effort gone to them instead. Or at the very least if they're going to have this many characters, start being more original and varied with them. Aside from maybe a handful, I can't even fucking recall most characters from the game.

People can always ask if it is OK to work an NPC. I did for 3, elf boy, June and Mino guards of them and I got K for all. As long as there is a possibility exists, someone could ask.

Yes but again, that is a lot of luck for it to actually happen. For this to go through it would require:

1. Someone to care enough and have enough motivation to write the character.
2. It would have to be high enough quality to actually get into the game.
3. It would have to get passed by the devs once they've read it, which they could just reject outright.
4. The devs have to give you the okay to even work on the character in the first place(doubt that's happening for a ton of characters)

I mean yeah it's possible but I'm sure as hell not holding my breath waiting for old characters to get picked up again.

Fans writing for characters is the gas that keeps the train moving.

A very slow, finicky, unreliable gas, but sure it makes enough sense.

Fuck sake I put too much time into these posts.

 

[muschi26]

I mean yeah it's possible but I'm sure as hell not holding my breath waiting for old characters to get picked up again.

Is there an official list of abandoned-and-therefore-more-likely-to-be-approved-for-randos-to-work-on characters?

 

[Shiro15]

See, here's where I think the disconnect is. Fans writing for characters is the gas that keeps the train moving.

CoC, TiTs, and CoC2 are community collaborations. They always have been. All of the writers currently writing this are just that - fans who wrote a bunch of stuff. Any writer in the future will be exactly the same thing. That's an intended function of process these games use, and it's what keeps content flowing in.

People writing content for characters they want to see more of isn't a bug, it's a feature.

Well that still doesn't address my problem that this "feature" creates in the game. And that is the jarring writing from having multiple writers work on the same character. A character's characterization isn't something that should be changed haphazardly. If people are going to collaborate on something they need to be in communication, and have some level of agreement on the direction a character is going to take. They would need this for character interactions as well.

Now I'm not trying to shit on the fans who want to continue developing abandoned content, commission writers or people that support the project. As I said I think it's great that fans want to be involved. But Savin and Co needs to do a better job of managing how this content is curated and developed. I know they have rules for submissions, but there honestly not good enough. The quality is all over the place. And this is why imo Wsan's content stands out as some of the stronger content. Not because their some sort of writing god. (I personally think their content is average.) But at the very least their content is mostly consistent. With only expectation being Elthera getting breed by Brint imo.

Edit: All this has lead to is a bunch of one off characters who start off interesting, but thats it. They play no greater role in the story and they hold no real meaning. It's like watching the first episode of a show that talks about how a character is going to go on this grand adventer that ends with them leaving their home-town and then... nothing. No second episode. No continuation in a larger series. Just nothing.

 

[undyingrevenant]

Yeah boy! You know whats up!
just finished over 7000 words for the elfboy dock but decided to cut back until I finish Estus, the Wasp boys and Mino guards. But Estus is close to 1/2 done and so are the guards so I who knows, maybe he will be finished next year... Or not, since I do have so many things I want to work one.

How about a harem made out of northern Minos? Eh, eh! 3 subby twinks, femboys for you to plow or get plowed by.

Spoiler: Fuck man

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I dunno, it's just difficult to get past to me, of their degree of control for it. Not the basic, ya know, can't write extreme stuff for a vanilla or vice versa, or if your writing's full of errors or you veer extremely off course of a character's voice, but you could do anything and then be told "everything about this is no" or something. Could write for hours or more and then it all be wasted or be told to just erase over half of it. Could write an original character then be ignored and have to chuck it in the fire or just kinda wait around like "any day now".

Which most of that's par for the course writing and all, just if you're completely writing characters from the ground up, or writing scenes yourself for characters, it just seems to me like you'd be better off writing your own fan fic or story or something instead of all that work for like a 25/75% chance of getting in, and if it doesn't then it's just almost a total waste of time and effort. I dunno, if I ever just really didn't want to have to talk to tobs or bubble lord or savin, and wrote an expansion in a couple weeks or something for my favorite character/s, and it was given a "lol no" or was a character off limits for some reason I'd probably be fairly unhappy.

I'd love to tinker with kazuo, but wowee does the prospect of dealing with all that *and* actually having to communicate with tobs in his highly controlled subtext filled kinu story time sound great

 

[M0nte]

why are most of them sexable?

So that you could fuck them. I get what you are suggesting, but a one of NPC with one off scenes (sexy or otherwise) are just there.

I mean that's just picking and choosing at that point but sure I'll bite. Aside from maybe Evergreen, Evelynn, and Valencia, they're all pretty damn similar to me. Big egos, big dicks, almost always doms - and barring Evergreen, Kaina, Klemaia, and Valencia - seems like all of them just treat you like a hole to fuck. Sure you can get into the nitty gritty about how Arona is more humiliating and a hard dom while Orlaith is more centered around serving her, but they all follow the same template if you ask me. There's no tsundere one, no cute submissive one(barring pupper who only has like 2 scenes), no insecure one, yadda yadda, you get the point.

Well, here goes.
Evergreen has her whole, dominant, mommy shtick.
Evelyn is a high class dom.
Arona, the sub version, is a dom that acts like a sub for your benefit and learns to love it.
Ryn as a pure sub that you can either abuse or lift up to a cheerful girl that loves lovely dovy sex.
The demon lovers have their whole "we love each other but we also fucking love you being in the lead and showing us our place."
Lyla is full on sadist.
The Dog futas have their whole working/family angle going on.
Klemaia is calm and collected dom with a harem to spice up her scenes.
Agni is a competitive little shit that I absolutely love.

And maybe there are some I forgot but yeah, most of them are different enough to justify their place in the game. Sure, it is kind of lame that most of them are doms, but that is what people apparently like. I do want more subs personally.

Having a reasonable amount of them, sure I can agree with your sentiment. But the game has so many to the point where it's taking time away and opportunities away from more substantial characters that would be much better with that time and effort gone to them instead. Or at the very least if they're going to have this many characters, start being more original and varied with them. Aside from maybe a handful, I can't even fucking recall most characters from the game.

True. But frankly, there are only really handful of NPCs that I think deserve constant updates. Primary ones are companions of course and secondary NPCs depend on the set up. Now, I am not sure which you feel are in dire need of an expansion, but I can only think of few. Those being Brihaus, Agni, Kas, Evergreen and Atugia. Maybe add Carmen to that small pile. Rest are just a nice bonus.

Yes but again, that is a lot of luck for it to actually happen. For this to go through it would require:

1. Someone to care enough and have enough motivation to write the character.
2. It would have to be high enough quality to actually get into the game.
3. It would have to get passed by the devs once they've read it, which they could just reject outright.
4. The devs have to give you the okay to even work on the character in the first place(doubt that's happening for a ton of characters)

I mean yeah it's possible but I'm sure as hell not holding my breath waiting for old characters to get picked up again.

I mean, it never hurts to ask if there is interest. But really, most of the NPCs (besides ones that go unfinished because of RL circumstances like what happened with Strawberry) are technically feature complete. Future updates will just come of as a bonus if someone writes them
Besides, who do you think deserves more content?

I dunno, it's just difficult to get past to me, of their degree of control for it. Not the basic, ya know, can't write extreme stuff for a vanilla or vice versa, or if your writing's full of errors or you veer extremely off course of a character's voice, but you could do anything and then be told "everything about this is no" or something. Could write for hours or more and then it all be wasted or be told to just erase over half of it. Could write an original character then be ignored and have to chuck it in the fire or just kinda wait around like "any day now".

Which most of that's par for the course writing and all, just if you're completely writing characters from the ground up, or writing scenes yourself for characters, it just seems to me like you'd be better off writing your own fan fic or story or something instead of all that work for like a 25/75% chance of getting in, and if it doesn't then it's just almost a total waste of time and effort. I dunno, if I ever just really didn't want to have to talk to tobs or bubble lord or savin, and wrote an expansion in a couple weeks or something for my favorite character/s, and it was given a "lol no" or was a character off limits for some reason I'd probably be fairly unhappy.

I'd love to tinker with kazuo, but wowee does the prospect of dealing with all that *and* actually having to communicate with tobs in his highly controlled subtext filled kinu story time sound great

If they get rejected, they get rejected. It is not like I spend my every waking moment writing this stuff. Besides, I am writing mostly male content, so it is not like I writing something most of the community or writers have stake in. So as long as I deliver a passable text, it should be good.

 

[Lord Kentus]

Zo pregnancy is weird
Aileh is surprisingly wholesome.

The Potato is surprisingly wholesome for this game, a pleasant surprise actually for once.

 

[Quintilus]

Evergreen has her whole, dominant, mommy shtick.
Evelyn is a high class dom.
Arona, the sub version, is a dom that acts like a sub for your benefit and learns to love it.
Ryn as a pure sub that you can either abuse or lift up to a cheerful girl that loves lovely dovy sex.
The demon lovers have their whole "we love each other but we also fucking love you being in the lead and showing us our place."
Lyla is full on sadist.
The Dog futas have their whole working/family angle going on.
Klemaia is calm and collected dom with a harem to spice up her scenes.
Agni is a competitive little shit that I absolutely love.

So dom, dom, sub, sub/dom, even bigger dom and sub. And lets not forget about SICK SMOKING STYLE too.

I mean, yes, there are difference between all of them, but it minuscule for most of them, in sense of...emotions?? not in the word count. After spliting on dom/sub sets, I mean.
"Im gonna call you a bitch"
"Call me a mommy"
"NO CUMMING ON MY DUTY"
"Im gonna fuck you now and then you gonna fuck me, ok!?"
Pffff...thats it?! Im pretty sure thats it.

Yes, there are also "elf poosie", "how to garden using only dick", "totally not a corrupted demon, yes-yes" and

but its still the same ice cream...but now with the hint of SALTY CARAMEL!!!! HYYYYPEEEEEeehhhh?????

 

[Fred the Red]

SNIP

To be honest, futas with egos somehow even bigger than their dicks are precisely what I want from CoC (and TiTS), either as NPCs or as PC domming (reluctantly) subby NPCs. Still, even I would prefer fewer NPCs with more content each. Instead of 23 dommy dickgirls with 3 scenes each I'd rather have 1 mistress who over the course of 69 scenes uses all of the PCs holes and goes through an arc of dominating, humiliating, enslaving, transforming, and/or impregnating the PC, ideally plus optionally inducing others into her harem.
Of course if that one dommy mommy turns out to be a purple demon chick, players who absolutely wanted that red dragon dick are kinda SoL but I don't think that’s worth the tradeoff, and besides you could even write some customizability into a dominant NPC by having the PC beg for it, make a terribly onesided bargain or fluff it as her granting a favor to her very favorite cocksocket.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

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I guess if you want to split them all into either sub or dom and ignore any of the details then that's true, there are only two flavors of futa in this game. It's somewhat reductive though and even within that list I can point to characters I revisit often but also characters whose content I've never gone back to.

 

[M0nte]

I mean, yes, there are difference between all of them, but it minuscule for most of them, in sense of...emotions?? not in the word count. After spliting on dom/sub sets, I mean.
"Im gonna call you a bitch"
"Call me a mommy"
"NO CUMMING ON MY DUTY"
"Im gonna fuck you now and then you gonna fuck me, ok!?"
Pffff...thats it?! Im pretty sure thats it.

If we are talking in emotion.
Arona is little tsundere about being your sub.
Evelyn is somewhat classy dom that likes to keep it personal and private.
Ryn is Ryn.
Evergreen is corrupt mommy dom that does not hide that she is a corrupt mommy dom.
The demon lovers are cucks.
Lyla is almost uncaring, ungrateful bitch and that is why people love her.
Agni is not really a dom, she is a switch. And playful about it.
Hashat is overexcited girl with pension for elves.
I do not like every futa. I do not like every dom. I like specific ones for specific fantasies and nuances. My favourites futa/dickgirl is Agni, then subArona, then Ryn for example. And only first one can be considered somewhat a dom.
Saying that every futa is the same because they are doms is like saying that Cait, Atugia and Brienne are same because they are all subs. You are just being reductive at that point.

 

[Walk Cycle]

....a dominant NPC having the PC beg for it, make a terribly onesided bargain or fluff it as her granting a favor to her very favorite cocksocket.

I cannot remember any character doing this and this is what I'm trying to find. Give me a domme that knows you value her highly and will have you jump through hoops just to please her. No more dommes where you just click "submit" and you suck her off, have Evelyn make me find ten pieces of Winterstem and have the PC suck her off as a "reward" or something. I'd want a capital D, Domme with actual dominant power over the player not a kink dispenser.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

I cannot remember any character doing this and this is what I'm trying to find. Give me a domme that knows you value her highly and will have you jump through hoops just to please her. No more dommes where you just click "submit" and you suck her off, have Evelyn make me find ten pieces of Winterstem and have the PC suck her off as a "reward" or something. I'd want a capital D, Domme with actual dominant power over the player not a kink dispenser.

While I agree that this would kind of fit I'm glad they don't do this. It would only add to the scene the first time you had to do it and would make revisiting the content frustrating, especially if there ended up being scene variations that you might have to progress to see.

 

[Walk Cycle]

While I agree that this would kind of fit I'm glad they don't do this. It would only add to the scene the first time you had to do it and would make revisiting the content frustrating, especially if there ended up being scene variations that you might have to progress to see.

Yeah it would make some scenes harder to do (which for me means there should really be a way to replay unlocked scenes in the game) but I just want a domme with actual consequence and power outside the sex scene. Something like Lane from TiTS where she yoinks 500 credits from me everyday as "Taxes" or Ardia's perk that either makes you more or less resistant to Lust attacks depending on how long since she jizzed inside of you.

 

[Fred the Red]

I cannot remember any character doing this and this is what I'm trying to find. Give me a domme that knows you value her highly and will have you jump through hoops just to please her. No more dommes where you just click "submit" and you suck her off, have Evelyn make me find ten pieces of Winterstem and have the PC suck her off as a "reward" or something. I'd want a capital D, Domme with actual dominant power over the player not a kink dispenser.

I do love subs working to earn the privilege of serving but I was referring to customizability there, i.e. PC begging paying and agreeing to idk 24h nonstop cockworship or something, all to get mistress to take a transformative.