Walk Cycle

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I do love subs working to earn the privilege of serving but I was referring to customizability there, i.e. PC begging paying and agreeing to idk 24h nonstop cockworship or something, all to get mistress to take a transformative.
That will be good too, anything where I would see at least some of my submissiveness payout or affect me in anyway.
 

Quintilus

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I guess if you want to split them all into either sub or dom and ignore any of the details then that's true, there are only two flavors of futa in this game. It's somewhat reductive though and even within that list I can point to characters I revisit often but also characters whose content I've never gone back to.
I mean, almost all futa sex scenes contain/implies dom/sub relations.
Its not 'call me a mommy while sucking me off' for a evergreen its 'Im you mommy now, suck me off', roughly speaking.


If we are talking in emotion.
Arona is little tsundere about being your sub.
Evelyn is somewhat classy dom that likes to keep it personal and private.
Ryn is Ryn.
Evergreen is corrupt mommy dom that does not hide that she is a corrupt mommy dom.
The demon lovers are cucks.
Lyla is almost uncaring, ungrateful bitch and that is why people love her.
Agni is not really a dom, she is a switch. And playful about it.
Hashat is overexcited girl with pension for elves.
Yes, but almost all of it goes out in the window in sex scenes. Im I lack T-shirt with 'sex expert' on it, but I know that person in bed and in real life, most of time, is a two big difference, as we commonly say here.
But here its just...

Saying that every futa is the same because they are doms is like saying that Cait, Atugia and Brienne are same because they are all subs. You are just being reductive at that point.
I was saying that almost all of them could be filtered in two groups subs and doms. And inside of each group content sex content are pretty similar, you or fucked to unconsciousness or fuck to unconsciousness. 'Flavors' are not making big enough difference here IMO.
Again on evergereen example, IIRC there are no "suck my milk (breast milk, I mean), call me mommy, cuddle with me, kiss me, let me sew soft trousers for holding you big dong warm, you dick is so swell, its unhealthy for you let me jerk you off my little child" or something like that, dunno, I dont have mommy fetish. Its, again IIRC, low grade "Im you mommy, you little BITCH...now get onto a bed!!!!!" sub/dom roleplay.
"Well yes, shes corrupted witch that lived for >9000 years, what you have expected from her?" Why than attach this fetish to her in the first place?? Arch cum witch that steals mans semen in the dead of the night, which is why she have conflict with foxes (there can be only one Macleod!!!) why deepwoods are uninhabited (no semen -> no pregnancies -> local scaled extinction) and so on... MOM GET THE CAMERA, IM SEWING CHARACTER INTO A WORLD!!!!! But we deranges from 'why futas in coc2 are bad' topic to 'why coc2 are bad'.

So again
yes futas have...okay not two dimensional personalities (kinda false, but thats was not the line of thought that led us here)
but their sex scenes are too bland, in terms of kinks that are implied by their personalities, outside of 'basic' sub/dom kinks.

In other words, they are only for a big 'insert futa implied fetish name' lovers that able to get off only on that specific fetish. For all others its like a droplet of jam on a gigantic butter sandwich. It feels, but it still a butter and bread.
 

MoneyMan181

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Evergreen has her whole, dominant, mommy shtick.
Evelyn is a high class dom.
Arona, the sub version, is a dom that acts like a sub for your benefit and learns to love it.
Ryn as a pure sub that you can either abuse or lift up to a cheerful girl that loves lovely dovy sex.
The demon lovers have their whole "we love each other but we also fucking love you being in the lead and showing us our place."
Lyla is full on sadist.
The Dog futas have their whole working/family angle going on.
Klemaia is calm and collected dom with a harem to spice up her scenes.
Agni is a competitive little shit that I absolutely love.

And maybe there are some I forgot but yeah, most of them are different enough to justify their place in the game. Sure, it is kind of lame that most of them are doms, but that is what people apparently like. I do want more subs personally.
I'm moreso talking about their general attitude, behavior, and personality than the fetish they provide. Most are very assertive, not very caring, never falter with their extreme confidence, etc. Basically just take an annoying stereotypical "alpha male" character and give em tits. I'm extremely fucking sick of it because it was(and still is) a problem in TiTS and really any media that features girls with dicks. Even just disregarding my tastes, I'd love to see some actual fucking variety with them. As is, they feel like caricatures rather than people I'm supposed to give a shit about. You want a good example of what I'm talking about, go read "Son for Hire" by Grimbous. A futa that actually feels like a real person with depth. The milf in that is what Evergreen should have been.

True. But frankly, there are only really handful of NPCs that I think deserve constant updates. Primary ones are companions of course and secondary NPCs depend on the set up. Now, I am not sure which you feel are in dire need of an expansion, but I can only think of few. Those being Brihaus, Agni, Kas, Evergreen and Atugia. Maybe add Carmen to that small pile. Rest are just a nice bonus.
Besides, who do you think deserves more content?
I don't think any one character deserves more content objectively besides maybe Atugia or Agni since they stand out due to not having enough. Regardless of that, I'm not asking for NPCs to get constant updates; I'm just asking for them to actually be well-rounded characters rather than gimmicks to jerk off to. Have Evelynn question her life up to the exile, let Arona feel like an actual person with flaws sometimes, have Cait be more than just happy-go-lucky cat whore. Just do anything even remotely interesting with these cardboard cutouts they call characters. That's all I'm asking for. And judging by the characters/depth ratio so far, I don't think that's changing.

If you want examples of characters actually feeling like people in the game: Rags, Aileh, Drifa, Serena, Valencia, Ryn(even as schizo as she is), or hell, even just any character that isn't just trying to fuck when they see you. Honestly, if they toned down the ridiculously casual sex and the gratuitous amount of it with so many different characters that would help a lot on its own. Which wraps back around to my point of less being more here.
 

Shiro15

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Was gonna reply to this, in-depth but Quin beat me to it. The problem with the dom/sub/futa content is its very shallow. As Quin put it their basically a flavor of ice cream (mostly vanilla) but with some sprinkles on it. Personally of the dom characters Evlyn was my favorite (at first) but none of these characters ever developed much. It basically goes like this Champ meets futa/Futa talks about their penis/ Champ has sex with futa/ may have option to do quest for futa/ character is labeled feature complete. Evlyn at least unlocks the foursome scene with Cait and Ryn, but besides that there is nothing going on with these characters. No arc, no conflict (despite Evergreen not liking the Kitsune and Evlyn being exiled) But none these characters really progress beyond how they are initially are characterized.

They could be interesting. There is room for an actual conflict. The people who exiled Evlyn could come looking for. Evergreen could escalate the conflict between the Kitsunes. Wonder-woman with a cock could be companion or do something. But nah, they'll just stay in their specific area and never pursue their goals.

Of these characters Arona is the best imo, and it is due to her being a companion, so she actually develops. You get to see some occasional flavor text and unique interactions. Made me warm up to her despite disliking the character at first. But that's because some degree effort went into the character.

Having 200 characters doesn't really mean anything if they're so shallow I can walk through them without getting my feet wet.
 

smithsmithsmith

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"Son for Hire" by Grimbous. A futa that actually feels like a real person with depth. The milf in that is what Evergreen should have been.
Eh, to each their own. I lost interest in that one because it got too drawn into the dynamic, less about actual sex and more about him becoming a fetishised version of her son. Not to say I think they're a bad writer, really enjoyed their "Slave Girl" story, but it's also not one I'd revisit for the erotic content because similarly it was more about the character dynamics than the sex.

The other issue is how much time to devote to characters, especially those like Evergreen who are mostly filling a side role. To take your own example "Son for Hire" is currently a little over 158k words and still going, most people (writers and readers) are probably not willing to go through all that for every character even though it would lead to much better characters overall.

I guess it mostly comes down to what you're looking for, I wouldn't object to more depth but at the same time I've got other sources for that who have more creative control over the stories they want to tell.
 
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MoneyMan181

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Eh, to each their own. I lost interest in that one because it got too drawn into the dynamic, less about actual sex and more about him becoming a fetishised version of her son. Not to say I think they're a bad writer, really enjoyed their "Slave Girl" story, but it's also not one I'd revisit for the erotic content because similarly it was more about the character dynamics than the sex.

The other issue is how much time to devote to characters, especially those like Evergreen who are mostly filling a side role. To take your own example "Son for Hire" is currently a little over 158k words and still going, most people (writers and readers) are probably not willing to go through all that for every character even though it would lead to much better characters overall.
I'm not asking for quite that depth or exactly that character to be in the game. I just want something, anything, to sink my teeth into besides sex scenes. It doesn't have to be the basis of the character or anything, just something to make the character enjoyable besides the sex scenes. I mostly brought up that story in particular because it manages that, it has enough sexy times to keep me interested, and they fill a very similar niche.
I guess it mostly comes down to what you're looking for, I wouldn't object to more depth but at the same time I've got other sources for that who have more creative control over the stories they want to tell.
I mean Evergreen is a Savin character, guy can do literally whatever the hell he wants the woman or any of the other characters. I've also got other sources I can go to for just pure smut if I want that. But this game actually somewhat tries to do something with itself judging from the codex entries and having a small amount of world-building outside that. That and I think a lot of characters here have potential to be great if the devs focused on the right things. Brienne exploring her newfound femininity, Brint meeting his family again, Cait being in way over her head considering how privileged she grew up, getting gradually closer to Arona and breaking down her forced worldview of everybody being a dom or sub in relationships, etc. Those are all just shit I thought of on the spot I think have the potential to be interesting while tying into their characters. They wouldn't have to dedicate a ton of time to these things(except maybe the arona thing) if they didn't want to, but at least it would be something over the nothing we currently have.

it took over 20 minutes of having to repeatedly attempt to cordially ask on the discord through zoomer tier shit posting for this

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i am moderately unhappy and will refrain from voicing my opinions on this matter, besides noting the ""privilege"" of writing for abandonware for free.
He can't even say no in a remotely polite or considerate way and thinks he's bestowing some great "privilege" to write his character for him. And if he doesn't trust you, he can just ask what your plans for the character are and ask for a small snippet of what you'd write for him. What a joke :KEK:
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who were you trying to write for?
Plus It feels almost ironic seeing that from TOBS considering he wrote that one Brienne scene without wsan's permission :HideThePain:
 
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Look, I like people giving shit to Savin and Co. as much as the next guy. But unless you have a decent portfolio of scenes you wrote that attracted some positive attention in the community, I don't think any author would even entertain your suggestion past the cliffnotes version of you scene(s). If you approached Tobs as a community writer with a good track record he will.... still won't let you write one of his precious characters because it's fucking Tobs and he's a possessive prick.

Which brings me the question, who was the character you suggested to write? And what kind of scene is it?
 

throbzombie

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Whoa, I just noticed that the score is down to 3.5 stars. I've been out of the loop for a while; did something happen in the last six months?

Well, I downloaded the latest release and the writing doesn't seem to have improved any. Sandra and Caera's scenes seem particularly seem sloppily and lazily done to me.
 

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Whoa, I just noticed that the score is down to 3.5 stars. I've been out of the loop for a while; did something happen in the last six months?

Well, I downloaded the latest release and the writing doesn't seem to have improved any. Sandra and Caera's scenes seem particularly seem sloppily and lazily done to me.
You've 948 pages to catch up on brudder. :KEK:
 
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Whoa, I just noticed that the score is down to 3.5 stars. I've been out of the loop for a while; did something happen in the last six months?

Well, I downloaded the latest release and the writing doesn't seem to have improved any. Sandra and Caera's scenes seem particularly seem sloppily and lazily done to me.
berry getting removed as a companion probably didn't help
 
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Look, I like people giving shit to Savin and Co. as much as the next guy. But unless you have a decent portfolio of scenes you wrote that attracted some positive attention in the community, I don't think any author would even entertain your suggestion past the cliffnotes version of you scene(s). If you approached Tobs as a community writer with a good track record he will.... still won't let you write one of his precious characters because it's fucking Tobs and he's a possessive prick.
Eh, this specific character (Kazuo) already has Kurb writing something for them. And apparently a second person, but idk who that is.
 
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