catcall is mandatory even if you don't take her into your party, and it's just a better critical path. saving calla is more urgent and impactful an end goal than "follow kas and kick her shit in", besides which leaving an innocent woman to her fate beyond dimensions just doesn't sit right in a narrative. even if they hotfix the quest out of your quest logs it still FEELS like critical path. In any other game calla would have been our sister and cait would have been the one with the vague threat in her lap, but as it stands her quest has more stakes than ours, and by extension she's more of a protagonist than we are.
OK first off, I don't know why you keep calling the main story as "critical path" but whatever. How is finding Calla in any way, shape, or form better in terms of stopping Kas? She's a random girl you never even MEET, let alone are attached to, and the only reason a PC would care to save her is being a good samaritan or if they REALLY care about Cait. Meanwhile with Kas you're stopping the entire world from getting fucked over, potentially redeeming her, and she is specifically after the MC so it's not like running away would do much. The Champ has infinitely more reason to have motivation to go after Kasyrra than they do saving Calla(where it would be a fair assumption to just assume she's just dead).
i think most of the criticism issued at her from the angle of "she's a mary sue reee" is due to the fact that she's the first party member in the game, the only decent healer until ryn's second set, and the beforementioned unofficial critical path making her likely to be in most players' parties, which consolidated into her being the most fleshed out by far. with any luck these are just growing pains that'll be resolved once the sun dies and the game finally reaches full release.
I don't think a single person cares about her being the first party member or her being a healer. She feels like a Mary Sue because she doesn't have any weaknesses/flaws, everybody likes her for some reason, she grew up privileged as fuck(and is still privileged), is talented in multiple things, and seemingly has the most content out of all companions. Those are not growing pains that can just go away unless they completely rework her character which just isn't happening.
honestly, i feel like a lot of the flak kitsune content get is misplaced. not undeserved, misplaced.
much of it seem to have come from a place of "these fictional characters hurt my feelings", like being called an outsider (when you literally are, in a community modeled after one of the most tightarse cultures in history) or not having absolute control over Kinu's progression. when it comes to RPGs i prefer the CRPG variety and have never felt the need to extert control over every event or have NPCs crawl over glass to suck the last dick i sucked. i think a world that exists indenpendently rather than as an accessory and toy for the players is much more convincing.
No, that is not at all what people say or even the meaning of their messages. First off, if you're going to constantly treat the player like shit for being in that area, give them the agency to change that. If you don't offer even just that, what incentive would the player have to coming back to that content? To see a really shitty Japanese drama? I can go watch that on a streaming service if I wanted to. As it stands, there isn't really a reason for the Champ to give a shit about the den at all. Even if that's where his family is, they ALL treat him like shit so that isn't a real excuse; especially when you take into consideration the utter meaningless of them past Kinu. And hopefully I don't need to explain why the Champ(and by association the player) not having a good reason to be interact with that content is a huge flaw.
People do not want absolute control over Kinu, you're spouting the same strawman that TOBS uses. People just want to have the option to actually be involved in their daughter's life and be a good father-figure. It is fucking insane that you punish the player, through no fault of their own, by making their own daughter hate them/feel complete indifference and not having the ability to ever change that. That is bad design in any game claiming to be an RPG. If you really want your shitty drama, keep the stupid ass hate she has for us and allow us to make peace with her over time, whether it be through kind gestures, meaningful discussions, family bonding, or any variation of those. As it stands, TOBS just makes the player feel shitty and useless for no reason other than because he can. Also Kiyoko being abusive comes out of literally nowhere and is incredibly contrived just to force more drama. She becomes a completely different character when she gets out of the orb and unless she intentionally used the Champ to get out and that's revealed to us, it's just bad writing.
The whole "it's based off of feudal Japan so of course they're xenophobic assholes" thing also makes no sense. They are a fictional race that were not isekaied to this world, he could've made them act however the fuck he wanted. He also doesn't even make any effort to show that modern Japanese people don't even act this way anymore. To do that, all he had to was make a younger kitsune character that doesn't share the same view of outsiders that the other kitsunes do.
it's kinda surprising how many pure vanilla souls are playing this game where every sentient being is constantly fucking every other sentient being. i don't blame them for wanting something in their niche, but i blame them for being shocked at not finding any.
How is liking and wanting monogamy related to being a pure vanilla soul? Regardless, this argument is null considering nearly every relationship in CoC1 is monogamous. God forbid people expect that from a sequel.
i understand your disappointment, but this is the nature of content creation. don't blame CoC2 for being what it wants to be, blame society for not giving you what you want.
Yes it is the nature of content creation. That being said, it is perfectly justified to blame the devs anyway. I will blame it for being what it wants to be since being a DIRECT SEQUEL implies certain expectations. Also what the fuck does society have to do with wanting a fucking SMUT game to be like a previous one in the series???
here's something for those of you who hadn't taken up a serious creative endevour: criticism is only appreciated when sought.
My fucking ass.
if you're a creative and you think yourself any different, backfire effects are known and well researched psychological phenonmenons and i wouldn't fancy your chances.
Please link the study. As someone who loves hearing "unsolicited" criticism, I'm very curious about this!
if the creative doesn't realise something is wrong already, you telling them isn't gonna help, even if you're entirely correct.
This makes literally zero sense. How is telling them not going to help? Because their egos are too large to accept and listen to criticism? Explain.
especially when you don't know their plans ahead and especially especially if you don't even have basic knowledge of their field of work.
Maybe you'd have a point if these were professional writers. But they aren't, and it very obviously shows. They write mediocre smut for furries. The bar could not possibly be lower, dude.
social media made it possible to just launch them at creators directly, but it's no less a dick move.
Regardless of dick move or not, these things are expected when you put literally anything onto the internet. If a few people being critical of your shit is too much to handle, that's your own problem. If it's a lot of people, well then they may just have a point, even if it's not as much of a point as they make it seem to be.
So let me just address this as a whole: Are we not allowed to be critical of the game now? Are we just supposed to accept the shit they shovel into our mouths, no matter how foul it may or may not be? Is it too much to ask that the devs think about criticism that's been repeated over and over? Is it too much to ask them to explain how this criticism isn't valid? If people aren't critical of the things they love, how is it supposed to reach its full potential?
