Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.44] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[mrttao]

This....I have no idea where this comes from. Demoralized? Deeply disturbed? Not sure what to do? Considers quitting?

Where did any of that come from?

From quotes of wsan.
He explicitly said that after a lot of thinking, he finally decided to not quit as a dev over this issue.

honestly I am starting to get fed up with the censorship. I really wish they didn't delete so many posts as "off topic".

 

[Skandranon]

That would be quite a sensible position.
However my impression from their posts saying "I am pretty sure" and "has no real weight behind it". Seems far more than healthy skepticism and veering into the realm of clearly taking a position on the subject.

"Pretty sure" is honestly a fairly noncommittal stance, man. I could be wrong, and have left plenty of room to acknowledge I could be wrong.

I certainly never said anyone was "surely wrong", not sure why you put that in quotes.

You're being extremely confrontational about a subject where you weren't being attacked, or even mentioned, and I don't see any reason for that level of vitriol.

If I'm wrong, that's fine.

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

"Let me get this straight, you think this guy, this 999 strength/0 intelligence guy, who spends his days beating people to a pulp with his bare hands and then raping them, is a filthy barbarian, and your plan (you=guy from isolationist village out in the middle of nowhere) is to talk shit to this person?"

You nod.

Kitsune rolled worse for intelligence than my guy, holy shit.

Everybody’s gangsta until you run in an absolute unit of an haggy whacko.

 

[Kroenen12]

Tobs was praising Brienne for being a subtle example of corruption - and as I pointed out then, Wsan agrees with him (Wsan mentioned the only reason it doesn't give corruption points is because the PC might not know the result, even if the player does). They are on the same page.

uhhhh no

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From quotes of wsan.
He explicitly said that after a lot of thinking, he finally decided to not quit as a dev over this issue.

source?

 

[Skandranon]

uhhhh no
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Ooof, maybe on the same page was a bridge to far.

But, I think the point of contention isn't so much on whether it was a corrupt/immoral act, it was whether the PC can reasonably be assumed to know about it. Tobs is saying the PC should definitely catch on and do something, Wsan disagrees.


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He's saying here the only reason it isn't giving corruption points is that wiggle room, so I think it stands to reason if the PC is aware of what they're doing, it's corrupting.

But geez, no wonder we're not getting much corruption content if this is the thought process they're taking, huh?

 

[Wrynn13]

I think the corruption scale should be pretty easy, altering people or their fate is corrupting them/ their path. Give less corruption for things they want like breasts and butt potions for Etheryn and a lot for shoving a couple in bimbo honey. But that would mean more of a focus on changing others and that just smells too much like a power fantasy for these devs...

 

[fetishgirl]

Tobs was praising Brienne for being a subtle example of corruption - and as I pointed out then, Wsan agrees with him (Wsan mentioned the only reason it doesn't give corruption points is because the PC might not know the result, even if the player does). They are on the same page.



Wasn't any worse than a bunch of kids getting bumped off, which he also wrote. It's not like Tobs can't do different things, but he clearly likes and gravitate towards the edge.




I don't know what you mean about Hirrud. Savin did Hirrud afaik.



I mean, we can believe whatever we want, but its still basically inventing drama. Wsan never claimed Tobs did it to spite him, noone did in fact, and there's nothing to even be spiteful about. There's no reason for Tobs to be jealous of Brienne considering he has the more popular character.

The simpler and more likely explanation is...Tobs is Tobs and writes whatever Tobs wants without regards to how well it fits in.

Its what we talk about him doing basically all the time anyway...

I will try not to go too off topic with this and keep this as my final response.

You could be right on the first point but I am going off actual quotes posted on here from the discord I am sorry I can't find them again myself but that is where my belief come from. If you can find quotes supporting your claim I will happily concede your point here.

I know this might be controversial but the kid killing thing didn't seem that bad to me within context as I don't know the characters had no connection to them so to be honest I didn't care what Gweyr did. Also lets be honest prior to the start of CoC there was a lot of killing in Mareth from the demons so I think people are a little harsh on ToBS for this particular point. Any party member being broken in front of my player character has way more impact especially in the context of quotes from ToBS from discord.

It isn't just Hirrud but against the pro Kinu incest crowd after all ToBS comissioned artists to draw random Kitsune fuck both Kinu and Asagiri. ToBS creates drama out of spite and publically berates colleagues like Bubblelord. I am no fan of Bubblelord and think ToBS has a point but there are better ways of dealing with that kind of situation. ToBs has history of doing this.

Like I said my beliefs are based on quotes leaked from the discord it isn't a conspiracy I or others created in our heads. To be fair petty or spiteful behavior never makes sense. I am not saying you are wrong and I think you are right but he is on record for being a spiteful person. I think both our viewpoints can be true at the same time.

On more positive news what major content will come next is it the Alante arena stuff? We have had a lot of misses this year but I am hoping it will end the year on a high note.

:EDIT: Just saw Kroenen coming in clutch with their post. Also great follow up post from Skandranon too. Really the best thing about CoC 2 right now is this thread

 

[Skandranon]

publically berates Bubblelord.

I'm okay with this.

 

[Rocky Pineapple Rhythm]

What goes around comes around, couldn't of happened to a nicer guy

 

[Skandranon]

But seriously, no point in really dwelling on the subject. Dunno why I spoke on it in the first place; I really usually just don't care about dev drama one way or the other.

Anyway, the next major content is Lumia quest, being coded now. New soulbound transformation (only Nareva left after this), a bunch of new characters, new goddess to interact with and thus probably a bunch of new lore, etc. Supposed to be pretty beefy, and Alypia and Gardeford have been working on it for like a year, so it'll probably be a few patches worth of stuff.

It'll also have Alypia's second actual full character after Serena. and I really liked Serena. Alypia is pretty much the only writer who actually seems to go for romances that actually develops in stages （based on the one example I got) so I'm pretty interested to see this.

Also, since Wsan is still tied up on Brihaus, I don't think the arena is coming anytime too soon. Pretty sure at this point KM is going to extend into mid-2023, as I'm pretty sure we've only hit the halfway point. Still have the slums and the noble quarter to go; and there's supposed to be a bar, another brothel, the arena, the palace, and a KM dungeon somewhere in there.

 

[MoneyMan181]

and there's supposed to be a bar

Holy fuck nobody tell TOBS

 

[Walk Cycle]

Holy fuck nobody tell TOBS

I don't get why Savin and Tobs keeps dunking on TiTS about bars and shops being having fuckable owners/employees. TiTS takes place on a corporate hedonist dystopia where body modification is a hobby, alien species who independently evolved in different planets can cross-breed, and almost every sapient race you meet has pheromones that can get you into a fuck-frenzy, and they come in different shapes and sizes! Hell,

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can get you horny if you hold onto it long enough. Why is it weird if most people are dtf?

 

[MoneyMan181]

I don't get why Savin and Tobs keeps dunking on TiTS about bars and shops being having fuckable owners/employees. TiTS takes place on a corporate hedonist dystopia where body modification is a hobby, alien species who independently evolved in different planets can cross-breed, and almost every sapient race you meet has pheromones that can get you into a fuck-frenzy, and they come in different shapes and sizes! Hell,

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can get you horny if you hold onto it long enough. Why is it weird if most people are dtf?

IIRC it's not that the vendors were dtf, but the places in question are uninspiring and boring when it comes to fleshing out the world. Least I think that's what TOBS said. Though I don't think anybody on this dev team should try and give lessons about world-building when they're using the most cookie-cutter High Fantasy setting with characters and locations as flat as a board.

 

[Walk Cycle]

IIRC it's not that the vendors were dtf, but the places in question are uninspiring and boring when it comes to fleshing out the world. Least I think that's what TOBS said.

I think that just means Tobs can't write a decent shopkeep

Also I don't think people should get world building advice from the main writer of the weeb donut steel race. Makes me miss the Kitsune from the original CoC, just a bunch of devious tricksters and seductresses that will show you a good time.

 

[Orphanus]

I think that just means Tobs can't write a decent shopkeep

Also I don't think people should get world building advice from the main writer of the weeb donut steel race. Makes me miss the Kitsune from the original CoC, just a bunch of devious tricksters and seductresses that will show you a good time.

Well, Business owners and their customers usually talk a lot with each other, so...

 

[Skandranon]

Also of note that the Valk transformation won't be for male characters. Idk if that means you just can't get it, or it will turn you into a female or futa if you're male.

The Nareva transformation will be futa/dickgirl I think.

 

[muschi26]

Also of note that the Valk transformation won't be for male characters. Idk if that means you just can't get it, or it will turn you into a female or futa if you're male.

The Nareva transformation will be futa/dickgirl I think.

Are Valk and Nareva new races? or characters?

 

[Orphanus]

Are Valk and Nareva new races? or characters?

Valkyries are a race in the frost area, Nareva is another goddess and gets her own "deal" thing, where the player character gives her their soul & gets transformed (like the Kitsune thing).

 

[muschi26]

Valkyries are a race in the frost area, Nareva is another goddess and gets her own "deal" thing, where the player character gives her their soul & gets transformed (like the Kitsune thing).

Oh lmao I’d never seen “valkyrie” abbreviated as “valk”.

 

[Skandranon]

Valk is the term they use a lot on the Discord server.

The valkyries are going to be winged angelic warrior fertility goddesses, basically.

The Astrida (Narevas transformation) are dickgirl salamanders like the ones we met in BerryQuest.