- Mar 15, 2019
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Piggybacking off this comment another issue with the Kistune content is it does not even work with in the rules of Tobs established universe. I've said this in an older post, but we know that Kiyoko has stayed young due to being trapped in the orb. Now this is fine as a premise, but falls apart once Kinu is born. As we see Kinu age up quickly. I know Kiyoko being a den mother is the reason she can give birth quickly, but it does not say anything about the children aging up at such a fast rate to my knowledge. We also know Kitsune's do not age up at that fast of a rate due Rindo's child with you, staying a child. So it is an effect of them being in the orb. So, if kinu is aging rapidly why isn't Kiyoko? Also if the orb has always aged Kiyoko up quickly why did she not die, due to old age? We know she's been trapped in their for 5 generations, as Komari has been punished by Keros for 5 generations.
This also brings us to the question of the Kitsune colony. After five generations, only Evergreen is aware of them. Which sure they are trying stay hidden to some degree, but they also make it clear they want to expand and be a successful colony. But this leads to another problem. They are wildly incompetent. How do you go 5 generations with out expanding or building up your colony? (They also relocated as Kiyoko's house is where the original colony started, but they relocated after the attack.) They live to be about 80-150 according to the codex. Which also makes their failures to progress all the more embarrassing, as if we low ball how long they have been here its about 100 years. As one generation for humans is 20 years. But I don't know if a generation for Kitsunes would be different seeing as they live for about twice our life span, so if we high ball it, then its been about 200 years.
Next why aren't their more people in the colony? 1/4th of the people you meet are descendants of Komari. The Sasuke wanna be, Farmer bro, Slutty shrine maid, and Bored shrine maid are all her descendants. Farmer bro is her great great grandson so Komari has kids. We know she was married and her husband passed away. But her kids have passed away as well? It certainly is possible. But this still bothers me to a degree since the Kitsunes live for such a long time. I figured some of Komari's children would still be alive, and not just her great great granddaughters/sons. (This what leads me to believe five generations means something different for the Kitsunes than it does for us. It is probably longer than even 200 years. which once again makes their failures more apparent.)The other seven are immigrants. ( I don't anything about the new girl as I haven't played the update) How are there so few Kitsunes in the colony? Especially with a race that's hyper-sexuality is comparable to Tanukis and Catgirls. Are they all inbreed?
It is possible others a migrating to the colony, and that's how they're avoiding inbreeding, but once again why aren't more coming to help. I know they mainland kistunes do not look to fondly on the colony and there's politics that our barbarian brains can't possibly understand. (Which is writer speak for I don't know how to write an actual compelling story about politics or I'm to lazy. Which I do not believe is true of Tobs. I'll shit on his writing quality, but he writes way more than anyone else on the team for better or worse.) But how is this even worthy of being called a colony. Even if we use U.S history as an example, the mayflower had 102 people on it. And half of them died on the trip over or in the first winter. Leaving only 50 people. The Kitsune could possibly avoid this problem by using the ways between to bring over Kitsunes quickly. So, the journey shouldn't be as dangerous as it is for us in real life. But once again this leads to the problem of why aren't they completely over running this land. Destroying Hawthorne. The only group that seems like it would have the man power to realistically fight back would be the frost elves, and possibly evergreen through her magic. (Though I doubt her magic is so powerful it could stop an army of 100 kitsune, seeing as she can't even deal with 11 kitsunes) The kitsune could completely dominate if they wanted to. They do not even have to really fear corruption from demons because of their natural resistance to it, and Keros having this whole communal soul thing going on. Honestly, the Kitsune's are a complete and total embarrassment. As half their problems should be easy to resolve, through the abilities they have.
This is so sad to me, because Tobs actually has a gold mine for a story idea. I honestly do not mind darker themes and the PC having to struggle for a happy ending or getting punished for not putting in effort. For example Kiyoko has been trapped for at least 100 years. Most people start going crazy after prolonged isolation. They develop dementia, anxiety, depression and all other sorts of mental health issues. Tobs really could have leaned into that with Kiyoko becoming this overbearing lover, who is afraid you won't come back. And after Kinu is born she could have directed all those anxieties at Kinu, which would lead to Kinu being emotionally abused. Kiyoko could've voiced her insecurities about her relationship with the champ and that could have led to kinu coming to resent us naturally through no fault of our own. This forces her to grow independent.
The Kitsunes distrusting us could be normal as well, due to the fact that the original colony was destroyed and Kiyoko was perceived killed in that very attack. Discount Sasuke could have a legitimate reason to hate us as his great great grandmother is being punished for failing to protect Kiyoko from these barbarians. He now knows what his fate will be if he fails. life as an undying spirit. He could even be working on a way to lay his grandmother to rest and restore honor to his clan.
And that's where we the champ comes in. We could help Kiyoko work through the trauma of being attacked and imprisoned all by herself for so many years. While the abuse of Kinu still isn't our fault we could help reconcile the deteriorating relationship the two have. I've said before but this could become three different paths. A rebellion path Kinu, an obedience path, or a harmony path. With harmony path being the happy ending, as Kiyoko learns to respect Kinu's ability to make her own decisions and Kinu comes to understand that Kiyoko is trying to help her and pass on the kitsune traditions to her in own way. She also could come to sympathize with her mothers past traumas. As before she meet you and gave birth to Kinu she would have spent most of her life alone. Rebellion being Kinu does things just to piss Kiyoko and you off. Maybe even kill Kiyoko and banish you from ever entering the Kitsune colony and becoming a permanent enemy. Or obedience where she is essentially broken, and just does what Kiyoko and you ask. This would be the only way to get incest for those who want that. I'm personally not a fan of this, and I know Tobs isn't either. He could make this lead to Kiyoko NTR the champ upon discovering this, and really make the sex scenes with kinu feel unfulfilling. Really lay into the player for being an actual scumbag.
You could also help Nakano lay Komari to rest. Go on a quest with him and the two you come to respect one another as warriors. This leads to Nakano becoming the official leader or be elevated to a position that is earned. This quest could lead to you influencing the policy's he will implement. Leading to him going full isolationist or opening up and working with foreigners. You can also get more influence over him by becoming keros's champion and helping the other Kitsune. (This also would give you additional dialogue choices based on how many and who you helped.)
I really want to like the Kitsune content. And despite what everyone says I don't mind dark stories with a lot of drama. I think it can work if executed properly. But it isn't. Tobs writing is poorly thought out, feels contrived, and is unnecessarily spiteful towards the player, for no real justifiable reason. And it doesn't have to be. Tobs can have his princess maker in feudal Japan story-line. The groundwork was all there in my opinion. But, I think his ego completely gets in the way of him being a good writer. Like I genuinely think Nakanao could be a cooler character than farmer bro. As farmer bro just like brint is only liked because he's so inoffensive imo. Nakano (while edgy) has more going on for him, and if he wasn't such a fuck boy, I wouldn't mind him being my son-in-law. And I would love to take him on a quest and see his character develop. But like everything else in this game, its just wasted potential.
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