Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.40] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sacred_Lamb]

His only project that got denied was the Sephora expansion, which was also reviewed by Nonesuch. Who I might remind you isn't an employee of Fen or Savin. Fen publicly stated that he was willing to work with Will on getting the expansion into a more workable state at a later date. Before anybody brings it up, Einen didn't get denied as she was never finished and Will had missed the longstanding deadline for companions.

Will was struggling for a long time to remain productive enough to actually finish any of his projects, which were way beyond the scope of basically what any writer was attempting regularly. There's a reason why very few writers attempt to put out novel sized characters with any sort of regularity. It just isn't a feasible pace to maintain and I'm not sure why people think it would be when it just isn't the case with mainstream writing. I wish the best for Will and sincerely hope gets his writing spark back, but he definitely wasn't cut out for writing as a job instead of as just a passion.

There is a lot more to the Will situation there buddy n u know it, Einen getting denied but Vivian getting put in late is a thing tht the "fans" love to ignore.

I hate these damage types just let truth reign

 

[devilaffect]

This stopped being a passion project, like 2 years into the patreon flow of money. By then, it became a business, same as any other. They keep releasing this content to us piece by piece, to make it last longer, to make the money keep coming in. Remember when the main quest was actually progressing every month? Remember when they actually had passion to see it through, taking into fan's considerations, and more?

That's not what's happening now. CoC1 was a passion project, because it was made without the expectation of money. Larian Studios makes passion projects, because they can actually deliver on what fans are asking for, and have more to show at the end of the quarterly months, than even a game like this which makes 30k a month to deliver on this.

We know the money isn't going to the writers, they get paid shit.

It's edging at it's finest. How people don't realize this yet, boggles my brain.

A. You replied to the wrong person.

B. Income and passion are not mutually exclusive like you yourself say when it comes to Larian. Except, Larian had a budget of over 100 million dollars and the near entirety of their world building and a huge portion of their overarching combat mechanics are already pre-established. They are also based in Poland where as much as half of the cost of their developers is tax deductible for copyrighted works. Not to mention the cost of living in Poland is significantly lower than the US or Canada where most of the devs live, while most of the target audiences will still be paying rates that are tailored to their more expensive regions.

C. The main quest not progressing is not an objectively bad or good thing. This gets brought up all the time and just reeks of main character syndrome. You are not the only person who plays the game just like I am not the only person who plays the game. Slowing main quest development and not throwing every bit of your resources at it is not an inherently bad thing and many people enjoy interacting with side characters. You are not the only fan of the game and they are not catering solely to you or I. The fandom is not a monolith and you definitely don't represent them as a whole. That's just plain egotistical.

 

[MarvintheBee]

There is a lot more to the Will situation there buddy n u know it, Einen getting denied but Vivian getting put in late is a thing tht the "fans" love to ignore.

I hate these damage types just let truth reign

Vivianne got 2 days before the deadline in. She wasn't late.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

A minor disagreement in CoC2 thread:

 

[devilaffect]

There is a lot more to the Will situation there buddy n u know it, Einen getting denied but Vivian getting put in late is a thing tht the "fans" love to ignore.

I hate these damage types just let truth reign

There really isn't. You don't seem to understand the difference between implementation and submission. As MarvintheBee posted in a screenshot, Viv was submitted before the deadline for submission. Viv wasn't put in late because there was never a deadline for companions being implemented, only being written with publicly available criteria. Einen on the other hand was 90% outline at the time where submissions were closed.

 

[Bleh21]

I only played Tits before.

Wanted to ask if there are any sissy/sub stuff in this game like the Sarah route in Tits?
Or if there are any NTR routes like with the cop character?
Or if there are any bimbofication routes like with Penny or Seigwulfe?

 

[dolosolo]

It just isn't a feasible pace to maintain and I'm not sure why people think it would be when it just isn't the case with mainstream writing.

i wouldnt give a fuck about pace if updates were slow and characters got fat 50~page drops that added substance/extended their characterization. i think inconsequential characters who sit around like furniture bloat this project. the only purpose they serve is to not step on the toes of the original characters/writers intention. Instead of being flexible together they learned the wrong lesson and split ideas/characters apart that would be better merged. it's a broken system that slows the pace bc these characters keep requiring circling back to to fluff up

Will was struggling for a long time to remain productive enough to actually finish any of his projects, which were way beyond the scope of basically what any writer was attempting regularly. There's a reason why very few writers attempt to put out novel sized characters with any sort of regularity. It just isn't a feasible pace to maintain and I'm not sure why people think it would be when it just isn't the case with mainstream writing.

novel sized characters are worth more than 10 pieces of furniture

People really need to keep in mind that it is a passion project built around a medium where sheer output isn't an objectively positive metric of production.

We can be just as if not more passionate with our criticism and i hate the smut equivalent of fast food and this idea we should be accepting of what we get when it's been years and years and years of "look how they massacred my boy"

You mean with updates nearly every week? It's easily one of the most regularly updated games on here. You might argue that the updates aren't always of the same size or quality, but that doesn't account for work that goes on behind the scenes.

breaking deadlines or being wildly inconsistent in a medium that already isn't measured in gross production.

don't bring up weekly updates when it hasn't been like that in forever, and you even said it yourself this medium isn't measured in gross production. I would argue the updates actually are indicative of what goes on behind the scenes as fluff for inconsequential characters is always drawing away manpower

There really isn't. You don't seem to understand the difference between implementation and submission. As MarvintheBee posted in a screenshot, Viv was submitted before the deadline for submission. Viv wasn't put in late because there was never a deadline for companions being implemented, only being written with publicly available criteria. Einen on the other hand was 90% outline at the time where submissions were closed.

will, a community favorite writer, received no leniency from savin, and if he did well it wasn't enough, that's how much people like will and dislike savin

 

[Daekas]

Is there a way to change the centaur-village after you went through the content?
Like a cheat, a command or something?

Back in the day i could not do anything else but rescue them although i'd wanted them corrupted-
(Can't remember if it was bugged or not done yet) and i really don't want to go through all the previous content in order to change this by starting a new game.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Is there a way to change the centaur-village after you went through the content?
Like a cheat, a command or something?

Back in the day i could not do anything else but rescue them although i'd wanted them corrupted-
(Can't remember if it was bugged or not done yet) and i really don't want to go through all the previous content in order to change this by starting a new game.

Story difficulty and head straight there when you can, I guess.

This stopped being a passion project, like 2 years into the patreon flow of money. By then, it became a business, same as any other. They keep releasing this content to us piece by piece, to make it last longer, to make the money keep coming in. Remember when the main quest was actually progressing every month? Remember when they actually had passion to see it through, taking into fan's considerations, and more?

I've seen less dramatic passion projects myself. Probably would call it a project of stubborness. Folks stubbornly try to write what they want and Savin stubbornly insists on whatever he the captive community wants.

Pretty amusing.

 

[MOONLIT HYSTERIA]

A. You replied to the wrong person.

B. Income and passion are not mutually exclusive like you yourself say when it comes to Larian. Except, Larian had a budget of over 100 million dollars and the near entirety of their world building and a huge portion of their overarching combat mechanics are already pre-established. They are also based in Poland where as much as half of the cost of their developers is tax deductible for copyrighted works.

C. The fandom is not a monolith and you definitely don't represent them as a whole. That's just plain egotistical.

A. I didn't, I was agreeing with that guy

B. Larian created Divinity Orginal Sin 2 off of Kickstarter, where they rose to prominence off of fans excitement alone. They had a good idea, and pitched it out there. They didn't know if it would work, but they respected the money fans gave them to reach their stretch goals. That's the same exact passion that's missing from this equation, when it comes to CoC2.

C. I'm one fan who doesn't represent the whole, yet there's plenty who feel the exact way I do. That's not egotistical, that's called speaking what everyone's already thinking.

I'm just outlining their problems, if you disagree you don't have to try and attack me for it. Just say so, say why, and keep it cordial.

 

[Mrbark1234]

I only played Tits before.

Wanted to ask if there are any sissy/sub stuff in this game like the Sarah route in Tits?
Or if there are any NTR routes like with the cop character?
Or if there are any bimbofication routes like with Penny or Seigwulfe?

Yes for sub stuff just look for any futa character sissy stuff no idea
ntr routes no scenes yes cait your first companion will have a few but dosen't make sense because she fucks everything with a pulse Eubicha a centaur follower has scenes where you give her to different futas thats all i can think of at the minute
and finally bimbos yes at the start of the game a hive of wasp girls are turned into bimbos during the quest for the hive you can leave it corrupted or cleanse it if you leave it corrupted you can turn a wasp girl companion and the priestess into bimbos WARNING this route has zero content and has been like that for years

 

[devilaffect]

i wouldnt give a fuck about pace if updates were slow and characters got fat 50~page drops that added substance/extended their characterization. i think inconsequential characters who sit around like furniture bloat this project. the only purpose they serve is to not step on the toes of the original characters/writers intention. Instead of being flexible together they learned the wrong lesson and split ideas/characters apart that would be better merged. it's a broken system that slows the pace bc these characters keep requiring circling back to to fluff up

novel sized characters are worth more than 10 pieces of furniture

We can be just as if not more passionate with our criticism and i hate the smut equivalent of fast food and this idea we should be accepting of what we get when it's been years and years and years of "look how they massacred my boy"


don't bring up weekly updates when it hasn't been like that in forever, and you even said it yourself this medium isn't measured in gross production. I would argue the updates actually are indicative of what goes on behind the scenes as fluff for inconsequential characters is always drawing away manpower

will, a community favorite writer, received no leniency from savin, and if he did well it wasn't enough, that's how much people like will and dislike savin

That's fine that you like novel sized characters, but we are just circling back to everybody has their own taste and no person is objectively right. Just enjoy the content that you like and ignore the content that you don't. Also, I would adamantly disagree with it slowing the pace of the game. If anything writing novel sized characters every time would just lead to burnout, which we saw with Will. These smaller characters tend to act as palate cleansers or function as ways to explore ideas that you wouldn't otherwise. Take Hugs with Liamme for example. If he didn't take the time to write a smaller character he possibly would have never realized he liked writing femboys.

I do think i didn't quite word the gross production part because it is a lot more complicated than that. What it essentially boils down to is the fact that a lot of what we interact with in game is in fact only a small portion of what was actually written due to variations that the writers try to hit in each piece of content. For example, it might not seem like vanilla Kyoko was over 200 pages of writing, but she was entire novel in and of herself at release, yet you just don't typically see everything on any single playthrough. That's not to mention futureproofing as much as possible on the backend so you don't end up with another technically correct coding situation and break the entire game.

As for what's going on behind the scenes they tend to be pretty upfront about what they are currently working on and most of the delays can be attributed to holidays or larger pieces of content such as dungeons or new explorable areas. Look back at the past year, it's typically 7-10 days between each patch and a lot of those have major content pieces or major backend changes. That's not to mention that we have no idea what the submission backlog actually looks like considering plenty of scenes not on the forums pop up pretty regularly.

 

[Yeppers34]

A. You replied to the wrong person.

B. Income and passion are not mutually exclusive like you yourself say when it comes to Larian. Except, Larian had a budget of over 100 million dollars and the near entirety of their world building and a huge portion of their overarching combat mechanics are already pre-established. They are also based in Poland where as much as half of the cost of their developers is tax deductible for copyrighted works. Not to mention the cost of living in Poland is significantly lower than the US or Canada where most of the devs live, while most of the target audiences will still be paying rates that are tailored to their more expensive regions.

C. The main quest not progressing is not an objectively bad or good thing. This gets brought up all the time and just reeks of main character syndrome. You are not the only person who plays the game just like I am not the only person who plays the game. Slowing main quest development and not throwing every bit of your resources at it is not an inherently bad thing and many people enjoy interacting with side characters. You are not the only fan of the game and they are not catering solely to you or I. The fandom is not a monolith and you definitely don't represent them as a whole. That's just plain egotistical.

Normally i would agree with taking time with the main story, I would prefer a creator take their time and make sure that the main story gets the tender love and care it deserves...but khor'minos dropped on November 1st of 2021 and the story has been hard stuck there since, to compare story progression as a snails pace would be generous

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

There really isn't. You don't seem to understand the difference between implementation and submission. As MarvintheBee posted in a screenshot, Viv was submitted before the deadline for submission. Viv wasn't put in late because there was never a deadline for companions being implemented, only being written with publicly available criteria. Einen on the other hand was 90% outline at the time where submissions were closed.

I wish I snapped a couple screenshots for that issue but I ain't copping Alterism style, many talked about it. You can't claim truth n neither can I since the grapevine is filled with gossipers but if Will had two days, being a fan fav n not getting at least a pink slip then catching nothing but shade from the head Dev causally while he's not around stinks of "pecking order" type behavior.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

The main quest not progressing is not an objectively bad or good thing. This gets brought up all the time and just reeks of main character syndrome. You are not the only person who plays the game just like I am not the only person who plays the game. Slowing main quest development and not throwing every bit of your resources at it is not an inherently bad thing and many people enjoy interacting with side characters. You are not the only fan of the game and they are not catering solely to you or I. The fandom is not a monolith and you definitely don't represent them as a whole. That's just plain egotistical.

This is the type of apologetic shit that crashes projects, lets assholes getaway with theft, and stops crowds from seeing when they're going to be robbed by charlatans. Giving Yandere Dev flashbacks

 

[Bleh21]

Yes for sub stuff just look for any futa character sissy stuff no idea
ntr routes no scenes yes cait your first companion will have a few but dosen't make sense because she fucks everything with a pulse Eubicha a centaur follower has scenes where you give her to different futas thats all i can think of at the minute
and finally bimbos yes at the start of the game a hive of wasp girls are turned into bimbos during the quest for the hive you can leave it corrupted or cleanse it if you leave it corrupted you can turn a wasp girl companion and the priestess into bimbos WARNING this route has zero content and has been like that for years

I don't mean individual scenes. Im talking about actual development beyond you talk to this character and you have this selection of scenes available. Like Sarah had an entire quest chain of saving her shop/ breaking her. Same with NTR and Cait, I'm sure she gets fucked, but is there anything besides the individual scenes?
The Bimbo route seems to be what I'm thinking of but looks like its a dead end.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

This is the type of apologetic shit that crashes projects, lets assholes getaway with theft, and stops crowds from seeing when they're going to be robbed by charlatans. Giving Yandere Dev flashbacks

Bro, that motherfucker came here litrally straight from the Fenforum echochamber. What else do you expect from him other than ravenously licking Savin's asshole?

 

[dolosolo]

That's fine that you like novel sized characters, but we are just circling back to everybody has their own taste and no person is objectively right

why even speak at all then, do you think youve shifted opinions today?

Just enjoy the content that you like and ignore the content that you don't

doing this is easy, ignoring their design philosophy is hard

These smaller characters tend to act as palate cleansers or function as ways to explore ideas that you wouldn't otherwise.

do there need to be so many of them? i dont think so

If anything writing novel sized characters every time would just lead to burnout, which we saw with Will.

im of the opinion therapy fixes this easily, and that you cant apply this to everyone, even then is there anyone else similar bc atm i dont see correlation. hugs writing femboys is an entirely different conversation. finding out what youre into bc of a character or what you arent into halfway through a character.. yeah they need to go to therapy. burnout doesnt magically go away bc you shit out 10 new pages of set dressing. the issue is being sidestepped, they need to go to therapy if the concern is burnout.

For example, it might not seem like vanilla Kyoko was over 200 pages of writing, but she was entire novel in and of herself at release, yet you just don't typically see everything on any single playthrough. That's not to mention futureproofing as much as possible on the backend so you don't end up with another technically correct coding situation and break the entire game.

you dont need to explain the main draw of the game to me

As for what's going on behind the scenes they tend to be pretty upfront about what they are currently working on and most of the delays can be attributed to holidays or larger pieces of content such as dungeons or new explorable areas. Look back at the past year, it's typically 7-10 days between each patch and a lot of those have major content pieces or major backend changes. That's not to mention that we have no idea what the submission backlog actually looks like considering plenty of scenes not on the forums pop up pretty regularly.

i appreciate changes like the charmer rework but this pov requires blind faith, noone has that anymore

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I don't mean individual scenes. Im talking about actual development beyond you talk to this character and you have this selection of scenes available. Like Sarah had an entire quest chain of saving her shop/ breaking her. Same with NTR and Cait, I'm sure she gets fucked, but is there anything besides the individual scenes?
The Bimbo route seems to be what I'm thinking of but looks like its a dead end.

Sarah? You mean Sera? And by "that cop character" I presume you meant Riya?
If so, no. Nothing even close to either of those exists in CoC2.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Like Sarah had an entire quest chain of saving her shop/ breaking her. Same with NTR and Cait, I'm sure she gets fucked, but is there anything besides the individual scenes?
The Bimbo route seems to be what I'm thinking of but looks like its a dead end.

Nah bro, this ain't that type of Dev team. Its a one and done, with rarely any references that aren't frivolous.