Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.47] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sacred_Lamb]

I said absolutely none of that. I didn't even bring Larian up, nor did I disparage them in any way. What I did say is that they had massive fiscal advantages due to where they operate out of. I said this because it's not even a remotely fair comparison for a dev studio with nearly three decades of experience in their genre, an established IP, established lore, established combat mechanics, and a likely seasoned team of veteran developers to a passion project started by one person into a development team.

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Regardless, both Studios (if you can even call Savin n Co a studio) got it out the mud, Savin is supposed to be the experienced lead here n even if he isn't its not like there isn't a whole library worth of info in Video form to help coach him, hell I'm studying programming so I can make my own off youtube. He even had a design doc n still couldn't follow it, they just suck. Reminds me of the proverb: "The blind leading the blind can only go in circles." Seem like its going to go the same way Tits is going but I the the whales will keep them from falling anytime soon.

 

[devilaffect]

We can do the comparison but its never gonna be in your favor. Lets just do Divinity 1. The original Kickstarter made 950k and they made Divinity Original Sin out of it. Its their first of these types of games, It was critically acclaimed and every release since then just improved on that foundation. This Dev team far surpassed that 950k amount quite a while ago for a text based game and the quality is apparently somehow worse then their other games lol.

The divinity games aren't a pre established IP, The combat was incredibly unique as they had to transform the table top mechanics into an actual video game mechanics. Its at least a ~million times more unique then CoC which is a mix of fantasy, porn and cyoa. They have enough experience and funding by now that they should be able to blow a game like divinity 1 out of the water. But they can't even do any meaningful progress on a fucking tex based game. Its embarrassing that you are trying to compare these two.

Divinity has been a franchise since 1996...

950k doesn't mean they didn't secure any funding elsewhere even if self published.

I didn't bring them at any point, I just said it wasn't a fair comparison when somebody else brought them up. For the love of god, just read and actually have basic facts correct. Of course they would. They had been a team for nearly two decades when they started DOS. They were more experienced, their funding would have went farther, were likely better equipped, worked in person, and were intimately familiar with the franchise they created.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Has anyone done the scenes with B's busty female Imp yet? Curious what everyone thought about her.


TOBs wrote a new thing?

yeah he wrote a prostitute cow and figured out how to let the pc talk to other characters. He just had to write it apparently

 

[devilaffect]

I find it interesting that you come out here swinging like that with nothing to back you up.
It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.

Other than the screenshot of a decade old account with hundreds of posts, the same profile pic, and a similar name. That sure is a whole lot of nothing. You do realize I would have to dox myself and Tobs to prove that I'm not him, correct? But sure, I made this account years ago just so I could catfish people at this very moment for this very reason.

 

[GokutheG]

Normally i would agree with taking time with the main story, I would prefer a creator take their time and make sure that the main story gets the tender love and care it deserves...but khor'minos dropped on November 1st of 2021 and the story has been hard stuck there since, to compare story progression as a snails pace would be generous

Could the reason that the main story content has stalled be because Savin has been splitting his time between CoC2 and TiTS ever since Fen burnt-out? Things may pick up now on that front since it seems Savin has washed his hands of TiTS due to a screen shot shared earlier.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Divinity has been a franchise since 1996...

950k doesn't mean they didn't secure any funding elsewhere even if self published.

I didn't compare them at any point, I just said it wasn't a fair comparison. For the love of god, just read and actually have basic facts correct. Of course they would. They had been a team for nearly two decades when they started DOS. They were more experienced, their funding would have went farther, were likely better equipped, worked in person, and were intimately familiar with the franchise they created.

bruv, you're talking like money alone makes a game or that the ppl need to know each other for years to work together. If that was the case games like Concord would be games of the decade and Indie studios like Supergiant and Redhook would not exist.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Could the reason that the main story content has stalled be because Savin has been splitting his time between CoC2 and TiTS ever since Fen burnt-out? Things may pick up now on that front since it seems Savin has washed his hands of TiTS due to a screen shot shared earlier.

Nope, Dude vocally said he hasn't worked on Tits since the last planet update which was early last year I believe n isn't interested in work there for until they get themselves in working order. Dude is just milking, is all.

 

[desmosome]

Where is viv's house again if she is already in your party?

 

[devilaffect]

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"I didn't even bring Larian up, nor did I disparage them in any way"

Show me where I brought Larian into the conversation. Go ahead, I'll wait. Me responding to somebody bringing up Larian is not me bringing it up. That's not semantics, that's just empirical fact.

Who said Savin was an experienced leader? It's literally his first game he is taking lead on. Also, that proverb doesn't make any sense in this context. It's also just awful because it's logic is paradoxical.

 

[dolosolo]

Because I care about the well being of the devs and am cognizant of the fact that spouting random unnecessary complaints both drowns out the real and well though out critiques, as well as annoying them until they give up on the community.

well thats great but i care about the wellbeing of the game. i dont think you can combat or police concerns without looking like a cretin, when they arent well thought out because not everyone is verbose and literate but everyone has a gut and it doesnt matter how accurate a fact you pull is bc opinions are rarely based on facts they only come in when its time to argue.

There's nothing saying any portion of the games design philosophy can't evolve or change. It could be bad or it could be good. They seem to not be losing supports, so I would be apt to say it leans towards good.

i dont believe theyre going to change anything, i think theyre pleased with the integrity of their product and the revenue it generates. i think apple is too, and they have not innovated in a decade, their original product was groundbreaking and theyve been able to coast on that brand recognition.

What do you honestly think a therapist is going to tell them to do? It would probably being along the lines of taking a break or writing something you want to write instead of what the community wants you to write. People don't just go to therapy for every single problem they have. That's just an insane thought process to not even consider attempting to solve your problems on your own terms first.

its clear youve never gone to therapy so i cant grill you for this pov but its very reductive of a persons personal goals and the proffesionalism of a therapist. therapy is never not on your own terms

No, it just requires reading the patch notes and seeing when the mentioned content gets added.

the patchnotes always remind me the game has too many characters and i dont have the faith content im looking forward to will have the focus i want it to have

 

[Ilovekatz19]

Where is viv's house again if she is already in your party?

It shows up at the

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after you recruit her.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

You do realize I would have to dox myself and Tobs to prove that I'm not him, correct? But sure, I made this account years ago just so I could catfish people at this very moment for this very reason.

I'd love to see that. It would be the kind of hilarious retardation that comes out of the wonderful circlejerk you evidently inhabit based on said decade-old screenshot and those hundreds of posts.

 

[Alterism]

I care about the well being of the devs and am cognizant of the fact that spouting random unnecessary complaints both drowns out the real and well though out critiques, as well as annoying them until they give up on the community.

I'm sure Savin and friends trawl f95 for coherent well put together feedback.

Even if they did at one point, that ship sailed years ago.
There used to be plenty of places to talk about CoC2 that wasn't the (practically dead due to neglect) official forum and two discords.

Now there's isn't.
Establishing a positive community is a collaborative effort which is why you see so many games on here have active back and forth with the games developers. In this threads infancy, the first few years actually, there was plenty of space to similarly build the rapport.
The moment was lost.

No amount of brow beating various users is going to make them play nicely.

well over 90% of the games on here

I know this was obvious hyperbole but it tickled me.
105 on hold
5164 abandoned
9708 Completed
5469 ongoing

Just under completed alone, 90% would be well off.
I usually avoid making generalizations about "most games" because I don't interact with even 10% of every game on this website nor do I follow that many games developmental pipeline.

No real point to this post. I was just tickled by the number.

Nope, Dude vocally said he hasn't worked on Tits since the last planet update which was early last year I believe n isn't interested in work there for until they get themselves in working order. Dude is just milking, is all.

Is that's what's going down?
I remember reading

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Nonesuch's comment on it being a clownshow is more relevant by the day.

 

[devilaffect]

bruv, you're talking like money alone makes a game or that the ppl need to know each other for years to work together. If that was the case games like Concord would be games of the decade and Indie studios like Supergiant and Redhook would not exist.

No, not in the slightest. I literally listed out the advantages that Larian had outside of monetary advantages. My point still stands that CoC2 having money isn't the end all be all of development since most of the team is still relatively inexperience when you bring up these outstanding studios putting out amazing quality games.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

My point still stands that CoC2 having money isn't the end all be all of development since most of the team is still relatively inexperience when you bring up these outstanding studios putting out amazing quality games.

Yes, I suppose one would be relatively inexperienced after almost ten years of development, especially if one can't help but continue to bust their dev team's balls for little to no reason while constantly mismanaging resources to side content that very few people care about while also somehow taking months to code it, and blowing hot steam up their own asses at any given interval while also cutting and labelling half-baked fan-favourite content as "feature complete.". Yeah, that'd be mighty inexperienced of them.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Nonesuch's comment on it being a clownshow is more relevant by the day.

I agree with Nonesuch, Tits develvolpment is a clowns show. (Just look at the discord snippets in my last post.)
But I find it still funny that, that man is talking about clownshow when he is Mr. "I just got backlash for an unpopular decision in my last submission, let me do that again."
I just can't wait for his next two big projects Nasti/Riya 2 and Siobhan to drop. The Riya deepthroating that man will do, will surely be a sight to be hold.
It will be fun to see the Riya glaze show and the reactions of the community, with her being such a popular character and all.

 

[Yeppers34]

I agree with Nonesuch, Tits develvolpment is a clowns show. (Just look at the discord snippets in my last post.)
But I find it still funny that, that man is talking about clownshow when he is Mr. "I just got backlash for an unpopular decision in my last submission, let me do that again."
I just can't wait for his next two big projects Nasti/Riya 2 and Siobhan to drop. The Riya deepthroating that man will do, will surely be a sight to be hold.
It will be fun to see the Riya glaze show and the reactions of the community, with her being such a popular character and all.

Oh god please don't bring riya into this thread, I still remember the last time they were brought up on the tits thread.

 

[Mrbark1234]

I don't mean individual scenes. Im talking about actual development beyond you talk to this character and you have this selection of scenes available. Like Sarah had an entire quest chain of saving her shop/ breaking her. Same with NTR and Cait, I'm sure she gets fucked, but is there anything besides the individual scenes?
The Bimbo route seems to be what I'm thinking of but looks like its a dead end.

Then your outta luck brother 99 percent of quests are just go here beat something up unlock scenes theres nothing like sarahs quest in this and for ntr i did just remember they added a sissy husband thats wants someone to fuck he's wife but i can't say if its any good because i never did it

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

Riya
reactions of the community
with her being such a popular character and all.

 

[devilaffect]

Yes, I suppose one would be relatively inexperienced after almost ten years of development, especially if one can't help but continue to bust their dev team's balls for little to no reason while constantly mismanaging resources to side content that very few people care about while also somehow taking months to code it, and blowing hot steam up their own asses at any given interval while also cutting and labelling half-baked fan-favourite content as "feature complete.". Yeah, that'd be mighty inexperienced of them.

Sure, Savin has a decade of writing experience, but once again that doesn't directly translate to leading a project wholesale. And once again just because you say very few people care about side content, doesn't make it true. That can in no discernable way be proven or unproven, but the fact that the game is still relatively well funded would point to at least leaning in the opposite direction. This leads back to the fact that most people just assume that what they want is what everybody wants, for some reason, which drowns actual discussion on real changes that could be made in a sea of "everybody wants my fetish". It turns into a waste of time if people are so self-indulgent and can't even be slightly introspective about their opinions. Why would he bother wasting his time drudging through the swamps to find the real critiques.

I would like to know what in the game took multiple months to code? As far as I'm aware that has never happened, not even for main story dungeons.

It's labeled feature complete because in all reality Savin knows it's unlikely anybody wants to pick it up and the last time a large project was picked up it was poorly received. He can cut his losses or stress out a staff writer making them work on something they have likely no interest in and that they will never meet the expectations of because some writers have no self control when it comes to scoping. I'd say it's reasonable to just cut their losses.