Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.43] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Bloep]

Isn't Eryka's different since she started with a vagina and only has a penis because she got corrupted aganist her will? By the way, is there a in lore threshold for corruption effecting your appearance cause Eryka and Evelyn got penises but other people seem to have a more drastic change.

Kas probably specifically gave them a dick for the lols, i don't think it's a random mutation from corruption or something like that.

 

[MoneyMan181]

It's because the public patch often falls between "regular" patches, so they have less time to have new content for them. Some games just don't bother putting any new content in oublic patches at all.

Not sure when it became the norm, but it seems to be fairly common.

Why don't they just release it when a new patch drops, then? Seems unnecessary to make a whole new routine for it when you could just pair it with a new regular patch.

 

[Skandranon]

Why don't they just release it when a new patch drops, then? Seems unnecessary to make a whole new routine for it when you could just pair it with a new regular patch.

Dunno for sure.

If I had to guess, it's because from the public players point of view, it might look like a delay doing it that way, whereas from the backers POV this way its an early/extra patch.

But I'm just guessing. It might just be habit I guess, that lots of creators have picked up on.

 

[Goblina Lover]

that legit explains nothing.

and now you understand

 

[undyingrevenant]

One thing also odd about coc2 is that most on the staff keep seeming to talk about "the next project". Wsan has a untitled taur game, they've talked about having a spin off Evelyn game, difficult to dig through everything they've said but it's like whenever stuff comes up similar to "can we visit orc islands, kitsune nation, jassira" etc, "maybe in the next game" is said. It has the feeling of the dev team not really being interested in long term support. In comparison to how long the other fenoxo games were supported, along with taking every measure to ensure modding is as hard as possible, removing another coc1 level community, coc2 feels more like obligatory work than what they're actually wanting to do, and with no means for another xianxia level project to happen whenever they decide to stop, that'd be the end.

 

[j01ntr0l1a]

what was there even to complain about, if you dont like berwyn hes 100% avoidable. why remove content when you can just not interact with it.

so gay and futa is avoidable?

by skip do you mean have sex with them,then yes for the most part you can skip have sex with them,as long as don't lose you should fine;list of

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its cool, ill just not play this one

 

[A Burning Conscience]

so gay and futa is avoidable?

its cool, ill just not play this one

Healthiest decision of your life. Run for the hills, do not be deceived by this attention whore of a game. Really these days the actual game is just a betting circuit around what the next spasm from the writing till will be.

My bet? Next update will have more kitsune content, TOBS can't let three updates pass without indulging his fetish.

 

[Kallisto]

Even in most indie games something like this would've been added back in already. Kinda ridiculous they haven't added this shit back yet considering it's already written. Bet they would just say "It's in the coding pipeline" bullshit like usual.

I agree. If they cared about people who might want to access Berwyn's old content or even if they wanted to mitigate backlash to the patch a bit, his old scenes would've been in there on patch launch. Or at the very least, in the next patch.

God forbid they just get someone else to write for him besides B. The flavor text on party/quests are something literally ANYBODY can write, they're only like 2 or 3 lines at most. Do they really think they need the writer of the companion to write something that insignificant every single time? It's hardly even more work if they decide to take that up themselves.

"Too much work" is their slogan. Tfs not having any perks/tfs being limited in body type = too much work. Variations in scenes that take into account different tfs = too much work. Different body states for many characters to appeal to different players = too much work. Honorable mention to what was supposed to be the opposite to the Keros stuff, except no one wanted to compete with the sheer word count of what Tobs did in the kitsune den and Tobs wasn't interested in doing the other side himself.

A lot of things the devs abandon or don't consider because it's too much work for - what they consider - too little payoff. And so a lot of the time, things that would imo increase player enjoyment gets tossed to the wayside. When content actually included npcs reacting to my pc's tfs in TiTs it always made me really happy and made the scene ten times better imo. Because what's the point of tfs if no one reacts to my pc being a plant lady with 3 vaginas? But they're making money doing what they have been doing, so any complaints otherwise are just noise to them. It's made playing CoC2 disappointing for me, compared to the other games.

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[Tau_Iota]

"Too much work" is their slogan. Tfs not having any perks/tfs being limited in body type = too much work.

Aside from anything else, if I recall correctly not providing perks was done for a different reason. They apparently didn't like that people were creating chimeras to minmax their champion in CoC1 to get all the best perks/attacks, so they decided to just not provide any. That's why like the only attack you get from TF'ing is Tail Whip/Whack? which is near useless, it's a dig on the minmaxxers from the first game.

While I love playing centaurs, it is a lot of work. You essentially have to rewrite every scene that involves PC's lower half. While I disagree with the decision to not allow that TF, I do understand it

 

[Skandranon]

One thing also odd about coc2 is that most on the staff keep seeming to talk about "the next project". Wsan has a untitled taur game, they've talked about having a spin off Evelyn game,

These are things Wsan is working in in his free time, not an actual team project.

Wsan really likes writing, and even after he's done doing it for work he apparently does it for fun too.

 

[Kallisto]

Aside from anything else, if I recall correctly not providing perks was done for a different reason. They apparently didn't like that people were creating chimeras to minmax their champion in CoC1 to get all the best perks/attacks, so they decided to just not provide any. That's why like the only attack you get from TF'ing is Tail Whip/Whack? which is near useless, it's a dig on the minmaxxers from the first game.

While I love playing centaurs, it is a lot of work. You essentially have to rewrite every scene that involves PC's lower half. While I disagree with the decision to not allow that TF, I do understand it

Minmaxing sounds like an excuse because what about the people who don't want to become a chimeric abomination because of combat in a porn game? People who play for the tfs will use the ones they want and people who play to minmax will try to do that regardless if tfs provide combat bonuses or not. It's a reasoning that never made sense to me.

And I never said it wasn't a lot of work. My point was, despite the work, it increased player (or at least my) satisfaction. It's something that made me appreciate the writers who put in that extra work to include it in TiTs (wsan became known as taur guy cuz he did it a lot, fenoxo did it sometimes, and william was always very good at accounting for different body type/tf variations). So yeah it's understandable that they don't want to put in that extra work but it's also incredibly disappointing (for me).

*Not tryna clapback on you or anything. Just thought I'd clarify my point in case you thought I didn't know the things I listed took extra work*

 

[Tau_Iota]

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Yeah, I totally agree. I was never a minmaxxer so I feel slighted. I also agree it doesn't make sense, but hey that's their reasoning.

It's incredibly disappointing for me too, being a taur was my favorite in CoC1.

*Nah I get it!*

 

[Ssato243]

DAMM the game gone to shit every time i come

 

[muschi26]

They can't even account for knotting in over half the scenes, don't ask too much of them lol.

 

[MoneyMan181]

"Too much work" is their slogan. Tfs not having any perks/tfs being limited in body type = too much work. Variations in scenes that take into account different tfs = too much work. Different body states for many characters to appeal to different players = too much work. Honorable mention to what was supposed to be the opposite to the Keros stuff, except no one wanted to compete with the sheer word count of what Tobs did in the kitsune den and Tobs wasn't interested in doing the other side himself.

A lot of things the devs abandon or don't consider because it's too much work for - what they consider - too little payoff. And so a lot of the time, things that would imo increase player enjoyment gets tossed to the wayside. When content actually included npcs reacting to my pc's tfs in TiTs it always made me really happy and made the scene ten times better imo. Because what's the point of tfs if no one reacts to my pc being a plant lady with 3 vaginas? But they're making money doing what they have been doing, so any complaints otherwise are just noise to them. It's made playing CoC2 disappointing for me, compared to the other games.

Honestly, I'm not even huge into TFs. I like playing these games as a generic ass human dude fucking shit up, it feels empowering being the "boring/unassuming" race doing grand things. Though where all the extra work has gone that previously went into TFs is beyond me. I guess maybe the story but who is actually playing this for that? There are thousands of actually good games out there you could play for the story. Idk I guess the same people who somehow like Kitsune content despite being something I wouldn't recommend to my worst enemy.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

While I love playing centaurs, it is a lot of work. You essentially have to rewrite every scene that involves PC's lower half. While I disagree with the decision to not allow that TF, I do understand it

They make enough money to engender some actual fucking effort.

 

[undyingrevenant]

Minmaxing sounds like an excuse because what about the people who don't want to become a chimeric abomination because of combat in a porn game? People who play for the tfs will use the ones they want and people who play to minmax will try to do that regardless if tfs provide combat bonuses or not. It's a reasoning that never made sense to me.

And I never said it wasn't a lot of work. My point was, despite the work, it increased player (or at least my) satisfaction. It's something that made me appreciate the writers who put in that extra work to include it in TiTs (wsan became known as taur guy cuz he did it a lot, fenoxo did it sometimes, and william was always very good at accounting for different body type/tf variations). So yeah it's understandable that they don't want to put in that extra work but it's also incredibly disappointing (for me).

*Not tryna clapback on you or anything. Just thought I'd clarify my point in case you thought I didn't know the things I listed took extra work*

Oh God I'm actually going to be a devil's advocate. I do understand your points, but the thing about the tfs is, first of all, supposedly they're putting a big emphasis on combat with multiple difficulty settings. Each and every tf stat change etc would require balancing with the rest of the game. Yeah it falls under "too much work" and I agree that's a pretty poor excuse, but it'd also lead to gravitating towards tfs you don't want because they fit your kit or becoming upset your preferred tfs aren't that good stat wise. You might not do that, but if you're playing with a combat system and care about it at all it'd probably happen for a good amount of people. Compared to removing stats or abilities from them and instead adding them to armor or leveling, so you can be whatever kind of freak show you like while still having abilities and stats of your choice. Less exciting or immersive but more freedom.

The Taur thing is one of the things that actually *could* be considered a lot of work, because for it to be in the game, and to be something people that like it would enjoy and not feel like was a rip off, *many* scenes would need to be changed. They can't even do that for each individual peen alteration so taurs aren't a option, at minimum they'd need someone who *really* liked taurs and have one or more people dedicated to following the entire game and making alterations. Many sex scenes would need to be changed because even if you're the most flexible pony in Equestria many sex scenes aren't doable with a Taur body, so you'd either need restricted scenes, unique scenes, or to just remove immersion and pretend you're a contortionist, some like a snake body would be a bit more forgiving but still require alterations throughout the game, versus the humanoid standard they're doing. Trust me I'd love to have a PC that's basically the behemoth but the options are having it built from the ground up or having dedicated staff, and they're already too free form for their own good. If they have enough time for a "silly mode" that just adds in weird in jokes and memes, or a "DO YOU REMEMBER STAR WARS" quest you'd figure they'd have enough time to add in stuff like that, or more peen bum or vag tf change support instead, but et ees what et ees.

 

[Evizzy89]

I play as a human too... tbh I could care less about personal TFs because...
well tbh there is very few scenes I repeat...If I wanna fap I have a couple that I go-to and thats about it
although in every playthrough I do give my character a big ol knot because...I guess I like to knot things? @_@

My fav scenes in CoC2/TiTS/CoC involve facefucking and knotting someones mouth D=
Although the only one I can think of in CoC2 was berry knotting the PCs face
is there others? I cant recall maybe Kass? idk
I like facefucking scenes
lol.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Many sex scenes would need to be changed because even if you're the most flexible pony in Equestria

 

[MoneyMan181]

I do understand your points, but the thing about the tfs is, first of all, supposedly they're putting a big emphasis on combat with multiple difficulty settings. Each and every tf stat change etc would require balancing with the rest of the game. Yeah it falls under "too much work" and I agree that's a pretty poor excuse, but it'd also lead to gravitating towards tfs you don't want because they fit your kit or becoming upset your preferred tfs aren't that good stat wise. You might not do that, but if you're playing with a combat system and care about it at all it'd probably happen for a good amount of people.

To me this is either a really shitty excuse to get out of doing more work or just shows they don't understand what people want. Who on God's green earth actually wanted this combat system that they had to rework to not be terribad? It's not even good still, you just spam every ability off cooldown and smack the shit out of the enemies when you cant use abilities. Add on to the fact that they haven't increased the level cap while admitting the KM underground is intended for Champs above the level cap, I find it really hard to believe they care about the combat past just being not frustrating. Doubly so because combat doesn't integrate well with the rest of the experience at all.

Take Karryn's Prison or Tower of Trample for example. Those have to have good gameplay because the porn is baked directly into the combat itself. They work together to enhance each other. This game, that isn't the case at all. Combat is a nuisance that isn't difficult or rewarding and just takes you out of sexy fun times until you get to the victory/loss scene. TiTS and CoC manage it well enough because there are actually things to think about and the combat contributes to the whole vibe of the games: Everything is out to get you, and it's up to you to make sure that doesn't happen. The world couldn't give 2 shits if you became a corrupted mess in those games and actively tries to turn you into that.

So how does CoC2 combat handle that? Uhh, there are some random hobgoblins, some random horse-chick that wants to fight you, a random mushroom lady?, some kitsunes who wanna suck your soul out, a random earth elemental, etc. You get where I'm going with this, right? All the enemy encounters in this game just seem like they're there for no real reason. It doesn't feel like you're fighting against the corruption, championing savarra, when you're fighting things that aren't even corrupted 90% of the time. You could say TiTs is a little guilty of this but at least that game can fall behind the veneer of "Well this game is hardly even serious most of the time." and it still feels like it adds to the experience, even if only slightly.

Idk man, I just don't get the reasoning behind anything the devs do, honestly. This game really just feels like everybody's fanfic character stitched onto the corpse of a game. I really would love to just sit down with one of them and have an honest discussion about this stuff, I'm genuinely curious what they have to say. Hell I'd even take TOBS at this point if he wasn't an insufferable prick about it. But I doubt that shit's going to happen so I'll just be stuck here wondering why. Shoutout to the devs of Tales of Legendary Lust who did exactly that when I posted a review of their game. They were wonderful to talk to, wish these devs had their attitude towards criticism.