Skandranon

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Savin and Fenoxo have been doing this from the beginning. I mean, shit, look at Trials in Tainted Space! That shit has been out for over a DECADE and they STILL have not completed the main story, because they have been doing non stop feature creep and adding in shit that literally nobody asked for

Ehhhh....no. it's actually the exact opposite.

Trials in Tainted Space is actually ending significantly earlier than initial plans. It was gonna go on for another....7 years or so at minimum. And that was the scaled down version already. Now it'll probably be done in the next year or two.

And it's had the exact opposite of feature creep. It's repeatedly been gutted of features it was planned to have. Characters, planets, ships, systems, etc.

TiTs problem is in a completely different arena.
Nobody cares about the main story of TiTs, basically zero people are clamoring for TiTs to end.
 
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I want impregnated Komari
I will continue firmly supporting this, and not for gilf memes. Heck, chips on table, I'd go so far as saying if done right it's one of the last couple of things of great value story and ero wise tobs can do with the kitsune. I think it's partially lost to the ether unless he's directly asked (I'm not asking him) but he already has at least one full body bust of her kiyokos age he posted on discord long time ago too.

As of now shes a deathseeker and only still alive as a punishment by worst fake god for ditching kiyoko or whatever TF. Story wise why I think she's important is she has a ton of memories with kiyoko, and she's in a position where he could write PC and komari talking to her, opportunity to learn lore and get more player attachment to her and kiyoko and renewing her will to live, maybe by choices like how etheryn is done. Since its directly connected to kiyoko she could also get more needed content at the same time, maybe write memories of her raising kinu alongside it to at least get some level of understanding the characters abusive choices.

After proceeding through current content, miko or mai are set as the successor depending on who didn't go into turbo heat or mental breakdown respectively, so there's an opportunity to have some big quest for keros, which could earn a favor, and lead into earning komaris freedom, ideally with some deus ex machina of her curse or an artificial reincarnation, returning her to around kiyokos current age both so it's less commonly icky and to give her a new chance at life. Big heartfelt moment, with all this basically komari winds up pcsexual waifu like brienne, kiyoko etc. Komari let's successor take over, and basically loses her position to become top ho for PC and his follower or whatever kitsune culture is wrote to require.

Ero wise, wife and her best friend threesomes on demand, other komari content, good waifu material, slim possibility of repairing kiyoko as a character along it if done right. Tons of room for slice of life or a super experienced kitsune in a younger body. Of course none of this will probably happen, it'll be gweyr 2, maybe will get one note granny kink content but will be stuck in corner til epilogue, remain depressed and eventually she'll die and be happy about it. Only kitsune that seems to retain his interest is kinu. Asagiri, another of your kids, has a full bust done too available on the wiki, but nothing done with it.

It'd be interesting to know the amount they've spent on assets that went nowhere or were used as jokes or attempts to troll, echo chamber fan or not, each one of those could have been used on content for the actual game, and comes from money people give to them for the game itself, even steam users that are treated like second class citizens, not for trolling, glorified fan art not even put in the game as an extra, or pranks. Not saying they can't do fun stuff etc but it leans more towards poor use of time and funds with one dedicated artist that also does random commissions. That's also pointless though because majority of entertainment products now are just milking machines and anybody not excitedly consuming product and awaiting next product is labeled a horrible person.
 
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Ehhhh....no. it's actually the exact opposite.

Trials in Tainted Space is actually ending significantly earlier than initial plans. It was gonna go on for another....7 years or so at minimum. And that was the scaled down version already. Now it'll probably be done in the next year or two.

And it's had the exact opposite of feature creep. It's repeatedly been gutted of features it was planned to have. Characters, planets, ships, systems, etc.

TiTs problem is in a completely different arena.
Nobody cares about the main story of TiTs, basically zero people are clamoring for TiTs to end.
I've never recovered from the scrapping of the faction system
 

Deviton123

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I will continue firmly supporting this, and not for gilf memes. Heck, chips on table, I'd go so far as saying if done right it's one of the last couple of things of great value story and ero wise tobs can do with the kitsune. I think it's partially lost to the ether unless he's directly asked (I'm not asking him) but he already has at least one full body bust of her kiyokos age he posted on discord long time ago too.

As of now shes a deathseeker and only still alive as a punishment by worst fake god for ditching kiyoko or whatever TF. Story wise why I think she's important is she has a ton of memories with kiyoko, and she's in a position where he could write PC and komari talking to her, opportunity to learn lore and get more player attachment to her and kiyoko and renewing her will to live, maybe by choices like how etheryn is done. Since its directly connected to kiyoko she could also get more needed content at the same time, maybe write memories of her raising kinu alongside it to at least get some level of understanding the characters abusive choices.

After proceeding through current content, miko or mai are set as the successor depending on who didn't go into turbo heat or mental breakdown respectively, so there's an opportunity to have some big quest for keros, which could earn a favor, and lead into earning komaris freedom, ideally with some deus ex machina of her curse or an artificial reincarnation, returning her to around kiyokos current age both so it's less commonly icky and to give her a new chance at life. Big heartfelt moment, with all this basically komari winds up pcsexual waifu like brienne, kiyoko etc. Komari let's successor take over, and basically loses her position to become top ho for PC and his follower or whatever kitsune culture is wrote to require.

Ero wise, wife and her best friend threesomes on demand, other komari content, good waifu material, slim possibility of repairing kiyoko as a character along it if done right. Tons of room for slice of life or a super experienced kitsune in a younger body. Of course none of this will probably happen, it'll be gweyr 2, maybe will get one note granny kink content but will be stuck in corner til epilogue, remain depressed and eventually she'll die and be happy about it. Only kitsune that seems to retain his interest is kinu. Asagiri, another of your kids, has a full bust done too available on the wiki, but nothing done with it.

It'd be interesting to know the amount they've spent on assets that went nowhere or were used as jokes or attempts to troll, echo chamber fan or not, each one of those could have been used on content for the actual game, and comes from money people give to them for the game itself, even steam users that are treated like second class citizens, not for trolling, glorified fan art not even put in the game as an extra, or pranks. Not saying they can't do fun stuff etc but it leans more towards poor use of time and funds with one dedicated artist that also does random commissions. That's also pointless though because majority of entertainment products now are just milking machines and anybody not excitedly consuming product and awaiting next product is labeled a horrible person.
Yeah, but that would be giving people something they want. We all know how TOBS hates to do that.
 

NODOGAN

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I think Wsan deserves a little break from the cow mines after this! He can write some dommy dickgirls, as a treat.
Fuck you Savin...sincerely Fuck.You.

What do they mean with "a little break" by the way? I thought he had already written all the scenes and the problem was they couldn't implement it all at once cuz "hurr durr too big" or whatever?
 
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Skandranon

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It'd be interesting to know the amount they've spent on assets that went nowhere or were used as jokes or attempts to troll, echo chamber fan or not, each one of those could have been used on content for the actual game, and comes from money people give to them for the game itself, even steam users that are treated like second class citizens, not for trolling, glorified fan art not even put in the game as an extra, or pranks. Not saying they can't do fun stuff etc but it leans more towards poor use of time and funds with one dedicated artist that also does random commissions.
Tobs spends his own money on that stuff, so that's not really relevant to the game.
 

Yuugen

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literally nothing new aside from few training pages and a running competition or something that no one will bother to read, no updates for 2 weeks to just re-enable Rina's repeat content??? nice one Savin
 
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talk about milking it.
You know, this makes me wonder - is finished main story would be a detriment to the actual production or not?

Think about it this way - CoC2 and TiTS are kinda is similar in model to Games as a Service or Early Access. Game is continuously supplied with new content/reworked and polished in order to keep people playing/eventually finish it.

But like, do they have any benefit of actually finishing it? Unlike Early Access, they get money monthly and not by sales. So they are closer to Game as a Service model, being free-to-play with paying offering you some benefits. This is a single-player experience, so the closest parallels would be... gacha games? Since most of them are PvE only and add story content constantly. Genshin is probably the easiest example to compare, being the most well-known right now. They add major and minor story content once in 40 days and every year release a new chapter of an already laid down story plan. Thing is - there is no way the game is EVER going to be actually finished. There will 100% be new story line after they are done with their original 5 year plan.

However, how will the things go with CoC2? Will they get any benefits from actually rushing to get the main story done and THEN filling the rest of the areas with content? Chances are all it would do is cost them supporters, since the game is, "technically" done. No early access game I've seen put their endings into the unfinished version. Only when the game is actually out of EA does the ending get added. No dev wants to technically finish something that isn't actually finished.

So of course they want to milk it - I feel like it's the most beneficial way of them making the game from the developer perspective, as they can release updates that aren't pushing the game closer to it's eventual finishing line at all. It's possible that, if they rushed the main story and then started adding new content post "release" the game would still be really profitable, I can't really judge, but I can see the devs feeling like there is a finishing line after which their funds would get lower and lower and they don't want to approach it.
 

NODOGAN

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TiTS story is certainly better angled than CoC2, that moment on Dhaal when we find the capsule and the projection of Victor says he love us and is proud of us got me feeling something (Can't believe Savin wrote it but hey a broken clock is right at least twice a day lol.)

Also Mechanics-Wise I feel TiTS does character classes better, each class has it's own niche, Tech Specialist are immortal tanks, Mercenaries are the natural enemy of swarms and Smugglers are high single DPT machines (at least from my experience, hasn't played a Psychic yet to know their role, I will eventually, waiting for them to be finished.)

Compare that to CoC where the Charmer is the best support and DPT to ever exist, Mages can always hit anything in their path like a truck and Warriors/Thieves...exist.
 

MangaKing

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You know for all the fairly valid complaints, this could be way worse, I mean it could be way better as well, but at the bare minimum these guys are still releasing content, even though it feels like it getting less and less, I've seen too many devs get somewhat big and tend to stop doing anything and coast, and while I tend not to like a fair amount of stuff, there is also a ton I do like that does get released every once in a while like the MooHaus stuff, or basically any impregnation stuff, and I'm glad they are still developing stuff, still some bull with somethings but I'm still glad
 
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