Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Tsubuhaza]

My point still stands that CoC2 having money isn't the end all be all of development since most of the team is still relatively inexperience when you bring up these outstanding studios putting out amazing quality games.

Still makes it a pretty expensive work. Like fuck, I only expected them to deliver a follow-up that can't remind me of the old one reasonably enough.

That was years ago, too. Should've known better, given the FoE shenanigans and whatnot. Now it's really more on waiting for the fucking thing to drop and hope someone will start a modding effort.

Assuming anyone remains with a slice of interest, that is. This game's shtick can get really tiring/boring at times, seems it only recently improved with fresh blood.

On that note, are you Savin's PR or something? Sure as well feels like it.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

gonna need new hedge trimmers.

This could easily be put to a poll and tested in actual fact. I doubt it will, but you can pretty easily discern what people want and don't want and then put things in... oh wait, they did that? And then completely disregarded the polls they made and went off in an entirely different direction? Oh well.

You tell me, why is it that we're still here almost a decade on, and the game is nowhere near completion? We're four years gone from Cow Town being introduced, and we're still nowhere near what one would describe as a finish line; there's evidently some sort of horrible coding sickness pervading the dev team as to bog it down so hard.

Damn, that's crazy though, stressing out staff writers by making them do their job and finish shit up that they get paid for? It's almost like that's happened in the past coincidentally from content being labelled as feature complete while they're fenced off to fill in for other shit.

Hell, you're right though; Savin should cut his losses and run now before he goes down with the rest of the clowns that let their games languish in dev hell while they soak up that sweet, sweet Patreon cash... oh wait.

 

[Walk Cycle]

I'd say it's reasonable to just cut their losses.

I honestly agree.


Sorry bunny boy, your writer's gone and SavCo. is doing their annual belt tightening.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

Sorry bunny boy, your writers' gone and SavCo. is doing their annual belt tightening.

It's the glue factory for his ass.

 

[devilaffect]

well thats great but i care about the wellbeing of the game. i dont think you can combat or police concerns without looking like a cretin, when they arent well thought out because not everyone is verbose and literate but everyone has a gut and it doesnt matter how accurate a fact you pull is bc opinions are rarely based on facts they only come in when its time to argue.

I feel like those go hand in hand though and it's important to find at least some sort of balance. The hate mob just seems to come out for some games where once you find a reason to dislike a dev it becomes every action is a reason to hate the dev and people try to convince others that they are the spawn of Satan and that they could run things so much more smoothly. In reality, Savin is a dick and probably isn't the best leader, but far from the worst.

i dont believe theyre going to change anything, i think theyre pleased with the integrity of their product and the revenue it generates. i think apple is too, and they have not innovated in a decade, their original product was groundbreaking and theyve been able to coast on that brand recognition.

I wouldn't say they haven't changed anything. The companions are a marked change from both CoC and TiTS. None of the followers or crewmates in CoC or TiTS are integrated into the story and barely any of them interact with each other. There's a much greater focus on combat and giving the player a variety of options for builds. They even removed resolve during development because it was a major balancing issue. QoL things like doubling back not allowing more storage and the sped up pregnancies option shows that they are willing to listen to people. Hell, they even expanded character creation to allow any background with any race as well as more cosmetic options.

its clear youve never gone to therapy so i cant grill you for this pov but its very reductive of a persons personal goals and the proffesionalism of a therapist. therapy is never not on your own terms

I'd say it's more so that you shouldn't just bring any problem to a therapist prior to at least trying to solve the problem yourself first. I would agree it has to be on your own terms, but if you want actual change in your life it takes real concerted effort. Many of my coworkers suffered from PTSD because blowing people up, even remotely, can really fuck with your head. I would never disparage them for choosing to go to therapy. But that is a very different situation from burning yourself out from overwork and possibly losing interest in what was once a hobby because you are forcing yourself to write things you have no interest in. Varying degrees of problem require varying degrees of solutions. Now if you are experiencing unpleasant thoughts as a result of this, you should immediately seek help. I hope this clears that up.

the patchnotes always remind me the game has too many characters and i dont have the faith content im looking forward to will have the focus i want it to have

You aren't the only one. There's plenty of patches that are of no interest to me and that's okay. I just find something else.

 

[devilaffect]

Still makes it a pretty expensive work. Like fuck, I only expected them to deliver a follow-up that can't remind me of the old one reasonably enough.

That was years ago, too. Should've known better, given the FoE shenanigans and whatnot. Now it's really more on waiting for the fucking thing to drop and hope someone will start a modding effort.

Assuming anyone remains with a slice of interest, that is. This game's shtick can get really tiring/boring at times, seems it only recently improved with fresh blood.

On that note, are you Savin's PR or something? Sure as well feels like it.

Just somebody who's been around since the unnamed text game days and has the perspective to realize how oh so much worse it can be. It just so happens that there aren't a whole lot of substantive arguments around the forums anymore so it tends to just be playing the devil's advocate towards negative generalities.

 

[Alterism]

It will be fun to see the Riya glaze show and the reactions of the community, with her being such a popular character and all.

I look forward to not reading a single word
c'est la vie.

 

[devilaffect]

This could easily be put to a poll and tested in actual fact. I doubt it will, but you can pretty easily discern what people want and don't want and then put things in... oh wait, they did that? And then completely disregarded the polls they made and went off in an entirely different direction? Oh well.

You tell me, why is it that we're still here almost a decade on, and the game is nowhere near completion? We're four years gone from Cow Town being introduced, and we're still nowhere near what one would describe as a finish line; there's evidently some sort of horrible coding sickness pervading the dev team as to bog it down so hard.

Damn, that's crazy though, stressing out staff writers by making them do their job and finish shit up that they get paid for? It's almost like that's happened in the past coincidentally from content being labelled as feature complete while they're fenced off to fill in for other shit.

Hell, you're right though; Savin should cut his losses and run now before he goes down with the rest of the clowns that let their games languish in dev hell while they soak up that sweet, sweet Patreon cash... oh wait.

Every content related poll aside from the generic vs named child and the what are you polls since they don't seem relevant. As you can see, they do gauge to some degree what people want. They've never explicitly released a poll on whether you like side content or not, but this does prove that they at least listen to the patrons seeing as how people love to complain about how many furry dick girls there are.

Because the only reason to finish the main story is for people like you and they don't care about you or your opinion since it just boils down to, "I like this so do this". Also, fleshing areas out before you move on is much more practical than hoping people will want to backfill every area in a remotely equal fashion.

If you treat your writers like shit, they won't want to write for you anymore. Crazy concept. You also have no idea what happened with Will from your statement. He was already already burnt out before Sephora's expansion and that's why the quality was so poor.

The game is hardly in dev hell, you just don't agree with the direction. Which is perfectly fine, but far from objectively correct.

 

[Walk Cycle]

The Riya deepthroating that man will do, will surely be a sight to be hold.

Nonesuch Riya is different from Franks Riya I think. The former is more competitive than racist while the latter seems to be missing a toothbrush moustache and an armband with the Forbidden Pinwheel in it.

 

[dolosolo]

I'd say it's more so that you shouldn't just bring any problem to a therapist prior to at least trying to solve the problem yourself first. I would agree it has to be on your own terms, but if you want actual change in your life it takes real concerted effort.

its ridiculous to think some problems dont deserve therapy, because any issue can cause mental blocks no matter how easily your brain has taught itself to gloss over them. thats also a form of trauma. and its ridiculous to say therapy isnt a real concerted effort, or even imply it wont/cant change your life. do you think therapy is coddling? it takes alot to face yourself. and with "just any problem", without therapy its the easiest thing in the world to repeat the same patterns while percieving them as a "real concerted effort" for that change in your life for decades when you could speedrun it in 1~3 years

But that is a very different situation from burning yourself out from overwork and possibly losing interest in what was once a hobby because you are forcing yourself to write things you have no interest in

you'd be suprised how much clarity therapy can give you. what your interests are, what theyre rooted in, where your focus is, ive lost several fetishes and gained others. i didnt need to spend months writing a character, i did it in an afternoon

 

[devilaffect]

I'm sure Savin and friends trawl f95 for coherent well put together feedback.

Even if they did at one point, that ship sailed years ago.
There used to be plenty of places to talk about CoC2 that wasn't the (practically dead due to neglect) official forum and two discords.

Now there's isn't.
Establishing a positive community is a collaborative effort which is why you see so many games on here have active back and forth with the games developers. In this threads infancy, the first few years actually, there was plenty of space to similarly build the rapport.
The moment was lost.

No amount of brow beating various users is going to make them play nicely.

They just need to have an actual argument if they want to see something changed. It took Misty months to get Steph Irson changed, but she stuck to her guns and meaningfully argued it to hell and back. I guess I just never understood screaming into the void about what you want in the game like there aren't thousands of people who probably want different things.

I know this was obvious hyperbole but it tickled me.
105 on hold
5164 abandoned
9708 Completed
5469 ongoing

Just under completed alone, 90% would be well off.
I usually avoid making generalizations about "most games" because I don't interact with even 10% of every game on this website nor do I follow that many games developmental pipeline.

No real point to this post. I was just tickled by the number.

I was leaning more towards how often the games are updated more so than which ones are actively being developed. I'm a bit curious if there a way to track the average time between updates of each game. My main point was that it's no Mythic Manor going from near monthly updates to maybe one or two a year.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Every content related poll aside from the generic vs named child and the what are you polls since they don't seem relevant. As you can see, they do gauge to some degree what people want. They've never explicitly released a poll on whether you like side content or not, but this does prove that they at least listen to the patrons seeing as how people love to complain about how many furry dick girls there are.

Honestly dude I mostly agree with the shit your saying all day, but that part tickles me wrong.
We have statements from Wsan telling us how polls won't affect content instead they try with content to affct polls? Sadly I don't have that screenshotted but Alterism if you would be so nice?
Also look at the number for threesomes. Despite the fact that apparently no one wants them, we still get them like crazy.
Savin and Co just love smashing their oc's together too much. (Poor Eubicha)

 

[fdragonx7]

on a completely unrelated tangent to what the recent topic is, Does anyone know how quickly you can get to corrupt Ahmri? cuz im curious to see what they did to her but my main saves are all way past that and pure runs. if im gonna do a quick restart into a corrupt one to see the content i want to know if i can do it quick or if id actually have to commit to being corrupt for a while.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

you seeing a pattern here yet?

Well then they should get right on making those polls for it so we can sort out truly who wants what from this game, the outspoken people saying what they want in areas such as this forum and the other outspoken people that believe the direction is just perfect that no one ever really sees outside of outliers such as yourself.

Also, making a lot of assumptions like that last guy as to what I want in regards to this game, fuck are you? My gatekeeper or some shit? I know well they don't care; my intention is to make sure everyone else that comes to this very public, very open forum knows that this shit is ongoing, seemingly not going to end, and is only getting worse as the years go by.

If you somehow can't comprehend that after encountering all of us and our very strong negative dispositions, then I suggest you get some sort of eye or brain surgery to help you along with that.

I do like how you also instinctually went to bringing up Will despite my not mentioning him whatsoever. I am curious, though, where is this supposed poor content? Can any of us see it? Or is it one of the many bullshit lines that gets tossed around like the hundreds of other very well-catalogued bullshit lines shown through screenshots on this thread?

You might not view 10 years of constant ups and downs, inconsistent dev cycles, poor coherency between community and devs, leaving/abandoning devs/writers, never-ending retcons/"feature completion", and double standards for writing quality as Dev Hell, but I sure as fuck do.

 

[devilaffect]

its ridiculous to think some problems dont deserve therapy, because any issue can cause mental blocks no matter how easily your brain has taught itself to gloss over them. thats also a form of trauma. and its ridiculous to say therapy isnt a real concerted effort, or even imply it wont/cant change your life. do you think therapy is coddling? it takes alot to face yourself. and with "just any problem", without therapy its the easiest thing in the world to repeat the same patterns while percieving them as a "real concerted effort" for that change in your life for decades when you could speedrun it in 1~3 years

you'd be suprised how much clarity therapy can give you. what your interests are, what theyre rooted in, where your focus is, ive lost several fetishes and gained others. i didnt need to spend months writing a character, i did it in an afternoon

I think there's still a misunderstanding. I'm not saying therapy is bad in any way. I'm saying that it may not always be the most appropriate solution to one's problems. Some problems can be solved by empowering yourself through changing your outlet for self expression be that with another hobby or by changing how you interact with that hobby.

 

[MarvintheBee]

on a completely unrelated tangent to what the recent topic is, Does anyone know how quickly you can get to corrupt Ahmri? cuz im curious to see what they did to her but my main saves are all way past that and pure runs. if im gonna do a quick restart into a corrupt one to see the content i want to know if i can do it quick or if id actually have to commit to being corrupt for a while.

Fairly quickly if you play story mode. Just go to the centaur village clear it, kill Ahmri''s dad, clear winter palace, build base wayfort, reach the undermountains and then go to the frosthound. And don't forget wait atleast 7 days after you defeated the centaur village.

 

[devilaffect]

I do like how you also instinctually went to bringing up Will despite my not mentioning him whatsoever.

Damn, that's crazy though, stressing out staff writers by making them do their job and finish shit up that they get paid for? It's almost like that's happened in the past coincidentally from content being labelled as feature complete while they're fenced off to fill in for other shit.

Really? Did you think alluding to instead of outright stating a situation that could literally only fit for Will would be plausible deniability? You are not worth talking to with this level of dishonesty. You are beyond bad faith.

 

[fdragonx7]

Fairly quickly if you play story mode. Just go to the centaur village clear it, kill Ahmri''s dad, clear winter palace, build base wayfort, reach the undermountains and then go to the frosthound. And don't forget wait atleast 7 days after you defeated the centaur village.

so uh, isnt that basically the entire story up to this point? if you gotta do palace and get to under thats all the main content i thought. though my time perception may be skewed from how fucking long it takes to get kiyoko to all 9 tails (legitimately the thing that most annoys me with doing new runs.)

 

[MarvintheBee]

so uh, isnt that basically the entire story up to this point? if you gotta do palace and get to under thats all the main content i thought. though my time perception may be skewed from how fucking long it takes to get kiyoko to all 9 tails (legitimately the thing that most annoys me with doing new runs.)

You don't have to do Kiyoko, don't do the hornets. You don't need the orcs. Just breeze through the points I have mentioned (don't forget to level up if you can), then you can see corrupted Ahmri in around 20-30 minutes.

 

[devilaffect]

Honestly dude I mostly agree with the shit your saying all day, but that part tickles me wrong.
We have statements from Wsan telling us how polls won't affect content instead they try with content to affct polls? Sadly I don't have that screenshotted but Alterism if you would be so nice?
Also look at the number for threesomes. Despite the fact that apparently no one wants them, we still get them like crazy.
Savin and Co just love smashing their oc's together too much. (Poor Eubicha)

It still shows that some of the things are people are most vocally against are wildly popular in the community and more importantly, the patrons. I would imagine the amount of threesome is partially inflated by the companion system since it would be weird to have a group and barely touch on any group dynamics.

To be fair I would absolutely believe that's the case without a screenshot. I'm of the opinion that the writers should write what they want and it would not surprise me if that was Wsan's sentiment. The quality tends to suffer when your force yourself to write.