Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.47] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Bootyman]

Tobs:
"Kinu is ultimately a story about growing up and leaving the shadow of your parents, which is why so much of her story is told through her eyes without the involvement of the player character as the champion. It is a story about coming into your own, taking what has been handed down from those before you and passing them down to those who come after. This entire storyline where you as the champion influence her stats, skills and weapon in her childhood eventually comes full circle where she has to fight her own battles and you as the champion are not around to be in the picture all the time.

The champion's detachment in this storyline is deliberate, building up from the very first events where point-of-view swaps happen; at the end of the day, she has to struggle for her own beliefs. As the player, you're able to have agency in directing her; as the champion, much less so."

Wsan:

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[Bootyman]

It feels like it'd be so easy to fix the Kitsune Den but that would run completely opposite to what Tobs wants out of it.

1. It's a tiny outpost nowhere near their own civilisation; have two different factions butting heads where one side wants to be isolationists and the other side is fully aware that they're not the top dogs in the region and that diplomacy and trade is the way to go.


2. Have the PC slowly win them over, for example have the artificer be interested in outside technology and they become an ally as you help them out. Help Kohaku with trade routes and establishing trade relationships with other cultures. Simple stuff that makes sense.


3. Don't have two dumb cunt self inserts that just have to be the two biggest badasses that every woman in the den throws themselves at.


4. Do something actually meaningful with Kinu; let the less traditional Kinu want to be an adventurer or a diplomat. Let the slutty Kinu be more interested in politics and playing two sides against each other. You know, give her something to fucking do.


5. Let us fuck the big titty gilf.

 

[MoneyMan181]

5. Let us fuck the big titty gilf.

With how TOBS writes sex scenes, I honestly would rather him not even bothering. Everything else is a great idea, though.

 

[Kalyadranoc]

It feels like it'd be so easy to fix the Kitsune Den but that would run completely opposite to what Tobs wants out of it.

1. It's a tiny outpost nowhere near their own civilisation; have two different factions butting heads where one side wants to be isolationists and the other side is fully aware that they're not the top dogs in the region and that diplomacy and trade is the way to go.


2. Have the PC slowly win them over, for example have the artificer be interested in outside technology and they become an ally as you help them out. Help Kohaku with trade routes and establishing trade relationships with other cultures. Simple stuff that makes sense.


3. Don't have two dumb cunt self inserts that just have to be the two biggest badasses that every woman in the den throws themselves at.


4. Do something actually meaningful with Kinu; let the less traditional Kinu want to be an adventurer or a diplomat. Let the slutty Kinu be more interested in politics and playing two sides against each other. You know, give her something to fucking do.


5. Let us fuck the big titty gilf.

If tobs was more like savin, i could understand, even relate maybe, since, as my father used to say "no is a complete sentence that does not need a adjunct", but instead of that he lashes out at people, even the ones that try to give decent and worth while ideas, this kind of attitude simply destroys a persons image and in case of content creators, makes it so said content is see as bad.

I agree with what you said, having tobs drop the kitsune den and letting someone else, someone more open to the community, even if said person was extremely selective with what ideas to implement, would be a nice way to fix the whole problem.

Guys, I've read a dozen pages of your discussion here, and in general I more than agree with you, but I seem to know why there are no changes, because this is a game for jerking off, and that's it

As it's usually said where i live, "Humm, nos temos um Xeroque Holmes aqui!"

 

[Futa_Buddy]

5. Let us fuck the big titty gilf.

This, a thousand times this...

 

[Skandranon]

It feels like it'd be so easy to fix the Kitsune Den

I feel like we have different definitions of easy, because what you posted sounds like a massive amount of work. Like, 'have the whole team drop everything and work on this for six months' amount of work.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

I know that Berwyn is getting a genderswap and all, but can he also be made into a futa? Will it drastically change content I wonder or just the scenes..

 

[destroyerofassholes]

I feel like we have different definitions of easy, because what you posted sounds like a massive amount of work. Like, 'have the whole team drop everything and work on this for six months' amount of work.

Yeah, I hate the Kitsune Den but most of the revamp ideas here are impossible scale wise.

Won't stop me bitching about tobs tho

 

[M0nte]

I know that Berwyn is getting a genderswap and all, but can he also be made into a futa? Will it drastically change content I wonder or just the scenes..

He will be able to be changed into futa and his content will be drastically changed. You will lose access to all his old scenes, gain access to new ones that take into account all of his possible changes and Matiha involvement. Basically a restart of Berwyn.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

He will be able to be changed into futa and his content will be drastically changed. You will lose access to all his old scenes, gain access to new ones that take into account all of his possible changes and Matiha involvement. Basically a restart of Berwyn.

Are his dom/sub routes tied to his gender?

 

[Skandranon]

Are his dom/sub routes tied to his gender?

All the things you can change are independent of each other from what I've seen.

What pronouns they use
Dom/sub/neutral
Whether he/she has a dick, vagina or both
Size of dick
Size of tits
Whether matiha is there or separate

It's a lot.

 

[Shiro15]

I feel like we have different definitions of easy, because what you posted sounds like a massive amount of work. Like, 'have the whole team drop everything and work on this for six months' amount of work.

I don't think the writing would take to long, at least with the changes I was suggesting. It would only require a few tweeks to the already established story.They're already implementing new content for the kitsune's, which is where I would slide in the new choices that affect the colony. We already have writing discussing Kinu marriages, so all you would have to do is expand those areas. You could even turn the conversation into a mini game like when you're trying to convince Navera to release the salamander siblings. You could also do something similar with the two factions in colony, as you already have writing discussing how some want to be isolationist and how others want to interact with others. Personally the biggest change I would make would be how soon you become the champion of Keros. I would rework that scene drastically and make it come far later in the quest line with you earning more tails based on how well you did for the colony. With 9 tails being the ultimate reward. It would be a good way to show how respected you are by Keros and good way to establish the PC's worth to the kitsunes. A easy way to show a change in you status through dialogue is have them address you differently. They did something similar with Rindo, after you become Keros champion and again after she becomes your concubine . So once again it doesn't require the writers to do a complete rewrite.

Personally I think the foundation for the writing is fine. I imagine the coding for this might be the most difficult part. I don't think they have to drop everything their doing to get storyline to a place where the complaints people have would take forever. Personally the biggest problem is the writers being somewhat stubborn and not very receptive of criticism. I get it. You can't please everyone, but at least from some of the comments I've read here, none of the criticism being made seems unreasonable. Seems to me people just want more choice, and if you're not going to give them a choice, be upfront about it. Don't make them waste their time on an event they have no influence over. This is an RPG allow them to roleplay.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

All the things you can change are independent of each other from what I've seen.

What pronouns they use
Dom/sub/neutral
Whether he/she has a dick, vagina or both
Size of dick
Size of tits
Whether matiha is there or separate

It's a lot.

Wow, holy shit. I can see why it's taking so long to code.

 

[Shiro15]

All the things you can change are independent of each other from what I've seen.

What pronouns they use
Dom/sub/neutral
Whether he/she has a dick, vagina or both
Size of dick
Size of tits
Whether matiha is there or separate

It's a lot.

That's cool. Originally I didn't like Berwyn. But over time I started to like his story line more and more. The option for a neutral path is something I was looking forward to. Kind of hated how you had to either dom him or be domed by him.

 

[Daken9]

IIRC wolfgirl that officially got added in a couple weeks ago (strong in the normie btw) had already been added in by modders like 5 months ago, right after her content was done. Don't think size has anything to do with it, coders are just snails.

 

[Skandranon]

Wow, holy shit. I can see why it's taking so long to code.

Yeah, it's understandable.

I'm excited for it...but I'm still not sure if the whole thing is a good idea.

This many variables means basically noone is going to want to do much with Berwyn from this point forward, probably, so I hope it's worth this probably being all we're going to get from him ever.

 

[Quintilus]

All the things you can change are independent of each other from what I've seen.

What pronouns they use
Dom/sub/neutral
Whether he/she has a dick, vagina or both
Size of dick
Size of tits
Whether matiha is there or separate

It's a lot.

After pocking into code a little, without proper knowledge of JS, no it isnt, IF it was in design document from beginning.

Unrelated but, game code minimized into current form means that they write all text stuff into a character classes? I mean, for a game it have more sense to have generic character class and library of characters definitions (key:value map).

 

[Skandranon]

IIRC wolfgirl that officially got added in a couple weeks ago (strong in the normie btw) had already been added in by modders like 5 months ago, right after her content was done. Don't think size has anything to do with it, coders are just snails.

Well the coders have a queue, the modders can just jump ahead to whatever. Not to mention I'm pretty sure they didn't include the lupines that are related to her storyline.

 

[Skandranon]

Personally the biggest problem is the writers being somewhat stubborn and not very receptive of criticism.

The actual biggest obstacle to this is that the kitsune are already the most popular content in the game. The kitsune are the most common race behind human, Kiyoko is the most liked companion, and the kitsune content (and Kinu specifically) is the most mentioned piece of content in their 92% positive Steam reviews, with lots of people gushing over it.

Taking time out to change or reroute it based on criticism from a relative minority of the customer base just probably isn't ever going to happen.

 

[Daken9]

Well the coders have a queue, the modders can just jump ahead to whatever. Not to mention I'm pretty sure they didn't include the lupines that are related to her storyline.