Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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mrttao

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A Burning Conscience said:
This re-organization (assuming the Wsan post lines up with when it all happened and wasn't too long after the fact) is actually more disturbing to me, because it suggests it was Savin's retaliation against Wsan. Savin is their boss, and he allowed that content through after a rejection. TOBS's actions are like an attack dog that Savin set loose to punish an unruly employee.
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Yes, people keep on giving savin the benefit for the doubt and saying "oh, savin is just lazy." or "he is inexperienced/bad manager and doesn't know how to wrangle them"... but no, savin is actively malicious. Tobs is one of his attack dogs to be set against his own employees, while he keeps his hands clean.

Another of his tools of retribution is the "deadline" bullshit from here
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I know Hugs was under some sort of deadline and not meeting it was part of reason Savin and co "claim" Hugs was let go, but I think it was something they came with to punish Hugs. Which becomes plausible to me when looking at the toxicity of the community. Can't prove so, whatever.
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Deadlines apply only to employees Savin is seeking to sabotage. For everyone else, they just write what they feel like when they feel like.
 
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mrttao said:
To expand about this a bit.

Brianne: fan favorite NPC waifu.
WSan: writer who wrote Brianne.
Savin: lead dev
Tobs: another author.

> Tobs: "hey wsan, I want to write a relatively wholesome scene for Brienne"
> Wsan: "no, I want to be the only one writing her"
> Tobs: *flips his shit at being told no*
> Tobs: *secretely writes completely different scenes for Brienne than what he originally asked to do, degrading NTR scenes designed to ruin her. Hides it from Wsan, it gets quietly merged into the game by Savin*
> months go by
> Wsan gets complaints about the sudden tone shift for Brienne.
> Wsan deeply disturbed, exposes the whole thing. Demoralized, not sure what to do.
> Wsan says its too late to remove the scenes and after consideration he decided to not quit.
> Wsan asks savin to lock Brienne so only he can write new scenes for her
> Savin: Hey wsan buddy, can I get an exception to the lock. I want to write a scene for Brienna.
> Wsan: No, I want to be her sole writer
> Savin: Throws a public tantrum, explicitly stating it is over that refusal, saying Brienne is "dead to him".

This game development team is extremely dysfunctional and toxic.
And it perfectly explains why we are seeing the issues we are seeing with the game.
The writers are literally sabotaging each other over the slightest slights

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timeline is a bit backwards. see clarification here
https://f95zone.to/threads/corrupti...0-savin-salamander-studios.11371/post-8771880
which suggests savin was more malicious than I initially thought when making this post
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Man i feel bad for Wsan. Tobs is a total sociopath that seems to live on hate writing to spite players and Savins either an incompetent jackass that doesn't pay attention to his own games content or a total jackoff for knowing Tobs wrote a scene for Wsans character without his consent.
 
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The best part is that Savin pretty much can't lose Wsan, so even if he wanted to spite write for Brienne, or have Tobs do it, he can't or he'll lose one of his actual writers. You can only get so far with commissions from furry fanfic writers and roleplayers, since we all know Savin won't actively seek good writers.
 
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Lowkey, i'd fear more the opposite. Wsan leaving for reasons and Tobs adopting Brienne becoming the genuinely best case scenario,
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Actual better to have never loved at all scenario.

But, cursed shit, so let's rather contemplate the alternative reality where Brint still turned but still be the one doing the consensual bullying.

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Daken9 said:
Lowkey, i'd fear more the opposite. Wsan leaving for reasons and Tobs adopting Brienne becoming the genuinely best case scenario,
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Actual better to have never loved at all scenario.

But, cursed shit, so let's rather contemplate the alternative reality where Brint still turned but still be the one doing the consensual bullying.
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If Wsan left, I don't think Savin's version of the character would be received well. At least considering how the Berry fiasco went. As even people on their own forums seemed split by the decision to remove Berry. Plus, I don't think Savin would put in the effort to work on Brin. They'd probably remove Brint and only keep Brienne saying "she's more popular, and no one here knows how to write men. The closet we can do is chicks with dicks." If anything I'm with everyone else on this. Wsan leaving would probably be the straw that breaks the camels back.
 
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Daken9 said:
Lowkey, i'd fear more the opposite. Wsan leaving for reasons and Tobs adopting Brienne becoming the genuinely best case scenario,
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Actual better to have never loved at all scenario.

But, cursed shit, so let's rather contemplate the alternative reality where Brint still turned but still be the one doing the consensual bullying.

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Kroenen12 said:
thank god, that never happened
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wsan probably realized it was a bad idea...
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I would not mind the dream if it was focused on player. For it does require you to find him attractive to begin with. But if it was just them fucking, yeah, no.
 
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Kroenen12 said:
thank god, that never happened
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wsan probably realized it was a bad idea...
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The fact that he even considered it is scary enough tbh.
"Hey guys Brienne is totally monogamous and obsessed with ONLY the PC! Oh and yeah there's gonna be a Brint scene with her to show how loyal she is!"
What a fucking shitty Christmas scene that would've been. Like Monte said, only would've been OK if they were just focused on the Champ and not each other but the CG definitely does not point to that.
 
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MoneyMan181 said:
The fact that he even considered it is scary enough tbh.
"Hey guys Brienne is totally monogamous and obsessed with ONLY the PC! Oh and yeah there's gonna be a Brint scene with her to show how loyal she is!"
What a fucking shitty Christmas scene that would've been. Like Monte said, only would've been OK if they were just focused on the Champ and not each other but the CG definitely does not point to that.
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"Hey babe i know its christmas and we're supposed to have a romantic event together but i really need to fuck myself. No seriously cause damn im hot, but dont worry while im sucking and fucking my other self ill still thinking about you babe."
Brienne said looking longingfully into the literal bull man thats about to fuck and cuck you.
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Honestly, I wouldn't hate Brint so fucking much if he wasn't the literally bull for a good chunk of shit writers love to shove in, well that and I still remember being annoyed by the bulls in coc1.
 
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Anyone remember how much of a dick you could be to urta in CoC1 and she would back down from the confrontation cause the player character basically shattered her self-esteem and other issues... Pretty sure no current writer in CoC2 would allow the players to treat their character like that.
 
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helllover said:
Anyone remember how much of a dick you could be to urta in CoC1 and she would back down from the confrontation cause the player character basically shattered her self-esteem and other issues... Pretty sure no current writer in CoC2 would allow the players to treat their character like that.
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Well its because their characters are special little snowflakes. And only an asshole would want to be mean to these characters.

Dev's nervously trying to ignore the games title. :HideThePain:
 
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Shiro15 said:
Well its because their characters are special little snowflakes. And only an asshole would want to be mean to these characters.

Dev's nervously trying to ignore the games title. :HideThePain:
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You guys are gonna be so happy when you learn about Etheryn, who's entire purpose is enabling that fetish.

sparton297 said:
"...which might not be many people." Okay so he knew most people wouldn't want that but was gonna put it in anyways?
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Read the post again, carefully this time.
 
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