Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[thecatcameback]

I wish they stopped tying Winter Wolf into other quests. Tollus could've fucked around with Ahmri and you on the dark horse (heh) path without you going through Gweyr's drama.

 

[Biostar]

I'm really failing to understand the point you were trying to make here

The point being that long standing companions have gone years without substantial updates to them, some worse than others, so acting like adding an arbitrary deadline is anywhere near necessary is laughable to me. Just because they spit out throwaway content often, does not make it good. I don't mind going without these trash updates to focus more on something I would bother saving after finishing.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

It's not verbose to actually break things down and explain them instead of vague posting on broad topics. I am done for the night though.

We've already had almost 2 THOUSANDS of pages in this thread for all of that. I have nothing but spite left for this project.
If you want, you can dig up my old replies from this very thread, where I was more elaborate and not as spiteful.

 

[Yeppers34]

I don't doubt that, but there's almost 2000 pages on this forums alone. It would be tedious at the very least. And the ones spewing outright lies aren't doing anybody any favors. Just because the relationship between the devs and community on this forum is rough, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

I can respect the attempt to bridge the gap between here the the forum but I just don't think that's really possible anymore. Maybe that's just me being a cynic but I feel both here and there are pretty set in their ways.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I can respect the attempt to bridge the gap between here the the forum but I just don't think that's really possible anymore. Maybe that's just me being a cynic but I feel both here and there are pretty set in their ways.

The only difference is - people coming here from the Fenforum don't get banned by mods for having "wrong" opinion.

 

[devilaffect]

The only difference is - people coming here from the Fenforum don't get banned by mods for having "wrong" opinion.

I'm curious how common that is since I've never seen it happen personally. I argued with Violent_Peace for basically a whole ass year and he was always anti-dev yet never caught a ban. I have seen temp bans for people trying to make new threads for old locked arguments though.

 

[Walk Cycle]

The devs obviously don't give a shit about what happens here and I would legitimately like to actually change that.

That's good and I commend you for that.

A good way to start is to find common ground with the people here, and one of the ways to do that is to engage with people willing to actually talk and discuss things. You've been here for a few hours now, and I think you have a pretty good idea on who's actually willing to talk or sling shit.

 

[Vyran22]

I honestly agree.
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Sorry bunny boy, your writer's gone and SavCo. is doing their annual belt tightening.

No problem he is only be the last male party member that can't be genderbent, so he is the odd man out. Just turn him into a deadbeat dad and have him leave for some cigs, save some of his dignity before he gets completely buried in irrelevance.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

(On that note does somebody know if we can make polls in this comment section, I for one would be really interrested in something like that.)
Anything with atleast some substance.

Don't think that's possible. Or at least, I can't find it on mobile.

But, more people voted for corruption than threesomes. But there's more threesomes than there is corruption.
But nobody wants corruption so it shouldn't be bothered with. And also it's icky. And also all those plans had to be cancelled. And they'll totally come back and backfill it. Except for the things that were cancelled wholesale. However-

This place, at one point, wasn't quite as blunt and people were quite eloquent with their grievances at one time or another. All of those early posters are gone now. The ones that replaced them are gone now too. So are the ones before them and the ones that followed. This current generation of posters HAVE articulated their points and their gripes. It's just that it never matters. Ever.

Telling them to again commit to things they've already done is a bit pointless.

• Corruption
• Heir stuff
• Futadommes
• Too many futas
• Foxes
• Kinu
• Berwyn
• Savin sucks
• Tobs sucks
• Wsan sucks
• This place sucks <-- We're here... again

However, there might be a misunderstanding.
I don't think anybody here makes their posts with the expectation that they influence the development team. People just have a good time being critical.

You've found yourself in a late stage forum where the current generation of posters have already given up. You want serious feedback? You'll have to dig backwards. Or change your approach. Right now it's more "north wind" than sun.

Another note to keep in mind is that "writing for the patrons" when there's less of them makes you wonder what's going on.

No. The golem has its mission, and it will keep spamming this thread with its verbose text walls, until it crumbles into dust under the weight of time.

It's gonna take a while, ain't it?

No problem he is only be the last male party member that can't be genderbent, so he is the odd man out. Just turn him into a deadbeat dad and have him leave for some cigs, save some of his dignity before he gets completely buried in irrelevance.

...Dignity?

 

[Pandect]

Can you people just stop engaging with the obvious fenfourmstroll? It's pretty blatant he's just here to farm content so he can run back to them for goodgoy points for trolling the 'f95 chuds'. Just block it.

 

[dederex10]

No problem he is only be the last male party member that can't be genderbent

yet

 

[Bleh21]

Divinity has been a franchise since 1996...

950k doesn't mean they didn't secure any funding elsewhere even if self published.

I didn't bring them at any point, I just said it wasn't a fair comparison when somebody else brought them up. For the love of god, just read and actually have basic facts correct. Of course they would. They had been a team for nearly two decades when they started DOS. They were more experienced, their funding would have went farther, were likely better equipped, worked in person, and were intimately familiar with the franchise they created.

Oh if we're doing that then Coc 2 is a like a 90% copy paste of Coc 1 and Tits lol. when did coc1 come out again?

Literally everything you are mentioning for Larian, these devs have (except worked in person i guess). Atleast Divinity 1 was actually a completely new game. These people can't even replicate the work they did years ago.
You just have no idea about game development. I'm only comparing the aspects that are actually comparable. They have faaaaar better funding compared to the actual complexity of the game (an actual AAA quality game vs text based indie game). They have faaar more experience, Divinity 1 was the first of its type, everything before was top down 2d action or an rts, COC devs have been making the same game for a decade. And they should be intimately familiar with the franchise as they literally had a direct prequel.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Can you people just stop engaging with the obvious fenfourmstroll? It's pretty blatant he's just here to farm content so he can run back to them for goodgoy points for trolling the 'f95 chuds'. Just block it.

Okay come on guys. You have to give this guy some credit. Devilaffect's intention clearly are not to spite you.
Hell if I didn't knew it better I would maybe also try to bring our community and their's closer.
But your grudge against Savin and co is to great, like seriously, not anything that man does is to spite you.
But whatever the community is split apart and it will stay that way.

And don't accuse him of doing that for goodboy points. No one on the forums even mentions f95 and the discord mentions us once every 2 weeks, in a passing.
And the discord, where almost most writers have fled too, hate the fenforums almost as much as us. They live in a bubble, we live in a bubble. Sad situation but not one, one man can change.

 

[GokutheG]

They just need to have an actual argument if they want to see something changed. It took Misty months to get Steph Irson changed, but she stuck to her guns and meaningfully argued it to hell and back. I guess I just never understood screaming into the void about what you want in the game like there aren't thousands of people who probably want different things.



I was leaning more towards how often the games are updated more so than which ones are actively being developed. I'm a bit curious if there a way to track the average time between updates of each game. My main point was that it's no Mythic Manor going from near monthly updates to maybe one or two a year.

So it only took one person for them to retcon an interesting aspect of the game. Well that's just great.

 

[ChronicPasswordForgettor]

Fuck me, 7 years later and it's still not anywhere near 1.0? Autismbux too good.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

not anything that man does is to spite you.

It sure feels like it tho. And it hasn't started yesterday either, it goes all the way back to Helspawn.

 

[devilaffect]

Oh if we're doing that then Coc 2 is a like a 90% copy paste of Coc 1 and Tits lol. when did coc1 come out again?

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. You can't really change a whole lot mechanically without ditching the text based medium. I would personally prefer the game not take the Roundscape approach. Unless you mean the actual content, which is just outright untrue.

These people can't even replicate the work they did years ago.

How so? I wouldn't say the quality objectively dropped. If anything it improved from unnamed text game, CoC1 and early TiTS. How many one paragraph sex scenes are in CoC2 compared to CoC1? And no, people's stylistic choices not being to your liking or the direction of the game changing is not a drop in writing quality.

You just have no idea about game development. I'm only comparing the aspects that are actually comparable.

Not even the writing is a directly comparable aspect. You're comparing the writing in an entirely text based game where every piece of information has to be conveyed through the writing alone to a game where you also have auditory and visual queues that can be woven together to improve the experience. It might seem simpler to just have everything be in writing, but it comes with an entirely different set of problems in addition to what you would normally expect. Also, Larian is a beyond exceptional studio and probably shouldn't be used as a minimum bar for anything. And if you're going to compare games, another text game or more similar genre like VNs would be a better comparison.

They have faaaaar better funding compared to the actual complexity of the game (an actual AAA quality game vs text based indie game).They have faaar more experience, Divinity 1 was the first of its type, everything before was top down 2d action or an rts, COC devs have been making the same game for a decade. And they should be intimately familiar with the franchise as they literally had a direct prequel.

Far better funding is debatable. A lot more goes into how far money that is thrown into game than just the raw amount. Like I mentioned previously in federal tax credits alone, Larians money should go twice as far. Combine that with lower cost of living in Poland compared to where most the devs live and your manpower costs are exponentially lower. That's not even getting into costs that scale well for size (not unlike how wholesale works), but are far more taxing on smaller studios.

This experience part is weird. They were just a bunch of people who found a porn game and decided to contribute to it. On the CoC2 team Savin was the only person to work on the staff and just as a writer instead of a project lead. Nobody else had experience outside of writing because they wanted to write. With that established, what actually objective issues do you see with the writing? I am genuinely curious. Unless you think that writing for a longer time means you'll just write things faster, which good luck if you think that's how any skill works.

For the second part, I don't think they were trying to massively capitalize on any new technology like game studios in the late nineties and early aughts. Not everything has to be a massive departure from the previous entries. I certainly would have liked Dragon Age to be a lot more like Origins and a lot less like Veilguard. Innovation is nice when it's needed. Not so much when it's forced.

Just so we're clear, by no means am I saying that CoC2 is perfectly run and that every dev is crunching for 60 hours every for weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if you told me that it was closer 30 hours a week. I would much rather see the devs happy and continue to be at least relatively productive, especially in this space, than burning themselves into the ground and ending up like most current "AAA" studios or more aptly like Fen or Will. People just really seem to underestimate how difficult and time consuming writing multiple novels worth of content every single year can be.

 

[devilaffect]

So it only took one person for them to retcon an interesting aspect of the game. Well that's just great.

It was a lot more than one person. There were multiple community writers as well as quite a few forum goers. Misty just lead the charge so to speak.

 

[Biostar]

Devilaffect's intention clearly are not to spite you.

I find the declaration we should be nicer to the people who purposefully create projects to spite their audience pretty spiteful.

 

[devilaffect]

I find the declaration we should be nicer to the people who purposefully create projects to spite their audience pretty spiteful.

That's a gross overgeneralization with no context. Both sides are guilty of being shitty.