Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.0] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[acusrola]

Klemaia is such a weird character. She's exactly the same person as the horse lady Hashat (?) from harvest valley. Horse lady adventurer that has a fetish for elves. They could've just had Hashat show up there in the baths, having found some measure of success offscreen. Any other team of writers would've just gone 'let's do something cute and show an npc has grown in the background'. But not these guys.

Also, I tried out CoC I and boy is that game better written. Each scene is way snappier. Also the setting itself is tough as balls without being bullshit about it like how CoC II plays.

CoC 1 imprinted a very powerful fetish for dragon-girls (thanks Ember) and shark-girls (thanks Minerva) in me.

Beyond that though, I find that the "gameplay" (as much as you can call it that) is much better in CoC 2 and TiTS, but the writing is much more coherent and "believable" in CoC 1.

 

[Quintilus]

Klemaia is such a weird character. She's exactly the same person as the horse lady Hashat (?) from harvest valley. Horse lady adventurer that has a fetish for elves. They could've just had Hashat show up there in the baths, having found some measure of success offscreen. Any other team of writers would've just gone 'let's do something cute and show an npc has grown in the background'. But not these guys.

Also, I tried out CoC I and boy is that game better written. Each scene is way snappier. Also the setting itself is tough as balls without being bullshit about it like how CoC II plays.

Quantity over quality, you know how its usually goes...

 

[Koiish]

I find the "thank for making her" doubly weird since back in the day of CoC there was the salamander girl (who I can't remember the name of) written by Sav, who had a daughter with the champion. There was apparently incest content planned as one of the interaction with raising up the kid was "I can take care of your needs" (paraphrased).

However, incest was never added because allegedly Sav was uncomfortable with the content as he had recently become a father himself. That's fair enough I think. Incest is a taboo topic and as a kink taboo as well, if someone is uncomfortable with it that's okay.

He's okay with content that would make any dad kinda angry - but incest is a no. Except between siblings cuz that has to be wholesome and okay as there are no family power dynamics involved, right? Oh and incest is mostly okay as long as it isn't the PC (looking at you Lumia and Garth).

I've been on this hell ride for a while and i still get things mixed up but to my knowledge Savin (who wrote Heila the Salamander you're thinking of) has never had a kid you're probably confusing him with Fenoxo who does though. The 'original' reason it was scrapped was cause people kept asking about it and eventually he got fed up with people expecting to write what he said he would.

However it's not the only time incest has been removed for example at one point you could fuck the kids you had with Izumi the tiger-shark by the lake back in the early days before it was scrapped despite being planned, written and implemented.
I believe don't quote me on this part Fen's second reason for removing any loli/parent-child incest in CoC1, besides the kid part, was being that it would be 'illegal' in some places such Canada which was a wishy-washy reason to begin with.

You may also be thinking of the Frostwyrm questline in TiTS which involved beating a difficult dragon boss in the Tundra planet and impregnating or being impregnated by (i forget which) them eventually leading to you having a daughter you could pursue a relationship with along with having more kids with. This was later changed to distant relative or cousin or some such but it was at the behest of Patreon after literal years of them turning a blind eye because TiTS was making both parties a ton of money eventually it seems Patreon has settled for sibling incest being A-OK though.

P.S May have some things mixed up in this but it's been literal years since it all went down and i'm not going through that many blogposts just to be 100% accurate just in case

 

[Shiro15]

Savin does not want to dedick Ryn because he doesn't want to. I see no problem there.

Normally, I'd support that mentality when it comes to writing a character. If the writers wants a character to behave a certain way, that's their right as a creator. We as readers can critic it, and dislike it all we want, but ultimately it should be the writers choice how the story plays out. But for me personally its hard to get behind some of the more recent changes to the character as they clash with what we've been told about Ryn for at least a year (I don't know how Ryn behaved when they were first introduced, as I only started playing in the spring of this year.)

My main problem is Ryn's character bounces all over the place. I could be wrong, but I recall in an earlier build of the game ( when you could recruit Ryn before dealing with Hethia.) its heavily implied that Ryn has misgivings about being born a hermaphrodite, as Hethia mocks Ryn as a false prince. Which reinforces Ryn's mistreatment by their sister, who gave Ryn the title royal cunt licker. This plays into the confidence system and when you talk to Ryn its made clear they have no real attachment to their dick and would be willing to get rid of it, especially if it meant the cage would go away. Ryn seems mostly like an insecure character that depending on how the champ treats them either wants to be exclusively involved with the champ and make the champ happy. Or becomes the champs plaything due to lacking enough confidence to tell the champ to fuck off. It pretty much reinforced by all interactions as Ryn only starts being sexuall with Cait, Arona and Evlynn if the champ drags into the threesome.

Like Wrynn13 is saying most of the recent changes seem to be salt mining on the part of Sav and Co. Which normally I wouldn't make that assumption about another writer, but seeing as how Kinu and Hirrud a literally projects derived from the devs spite, hard not to see everything going on with Ryn as nothing more than the devs wanting to piss off a certain section of their community. Which only serves to damage their writing and proves how immature and unprofessional they are.

P.S. Essentially people who liked Ryn before have every right to be upset now, as they're essentially getting something different than what was advertised.

This is also further reinforced by the in universe rules of the game where the champ and most of the cast can change themselves to be what ever the want with alchemy, so most of the problems that arise from Ryn becoming ruler could be resolved by the either the champ or Ryn changing their body, so this whole issue about producing a heir, is a nonissue.

 

[theimpregnator]

can we get lumia pregnant?

 

[M0nte]

Normally, I'd support that mentality when it comes to writing a character. If the writers wants a character to behave a certain way, that's their right as a creator. We as readers can critic it, and dislike it all we want, but ultimately it should be the writers choice how the story plays out. But for me personally its hard to get behind some of the more recent changes to the character as they clash with what we've been told about Ryn for at least a year (I don't know how Ryn behaved when they were first introduced, as I only started playing in the spring of this year.)

My main problem is Ryn's character bounces all over the place. I could be wrong, but I recall in an earlier build of the game ( when you could recruit Ryn before dealing with Hethia.) its heavily implied that Ryn has misgivings about being born a hermaphrodite, as Hethia mocks Ryn as a false prince. Which reinforces Ryn's mistreatment by their sister, who gave Ryn the title royal cunt licker. This plays into the confidence system and when you talk to Ryn its made clear they have no real attachment to their dick and would be willing to get rid of it, especially if it meant the cage would go away. Ryn seems mostly like an insecure character that depending on how the champ treats them either wants to be exclusively involved with the champ and make the champ happy. Or becomes the champs plaything due to lacking enough confidence to tell the champ to fuck off. It pretty much reinforced by all interactions as Ryn only starts being sexuall with Cait, Arona and Evlynn if the champ drags into the threesome.

Like Wrynn13 is saying most of the recent changes seem to be salt mining on the part of Sav and Co. Which normally I wouldn't make that assumption about another writer, but seeing as how Kinu and Hirrud a literally projects derived from the devs spite, hard not to see everything going on with Ryn as nothing more than the devs wanting to piss off a certain section of their community. Which only serves to damage their writing and proves how immature and unprofessional they are.

P.S. Essentially people who liked Ryn before have every right to be upset now, as they're essentially getting something different than what was advertised.

She never wanted to lose her dick -- well permanantly that is. She tried to get rid of her confiment but it did not work.

And besides the whole heir thing-- which if it happens I also dislike since I do not like concept of companions punishing people for lacking in certain equipment ala Kiyoko -- she is still build on the premise that she is your subby girl. Now that can lead to a scenario where she could gain a vagina for champions benefit, but that is a premise that Savin never wanted to explore. Same reason how some people want Brienne to gain a dick but Wsan has no interest in it.

 

[Biostar]

Whatever, I've lost interest in her already. I would be fine with her getting the Berwyn treatment at this point.

Senja the nuki

Must have skipped that info. I don't recall that all.

 

[thecatcameback]

Must have skipped that info. I don't recall that all.

It's kinda hidden away in a conversation with Evergreen. She talks about how there was this lupine that wanted to buy a love potion off her, but wanted to make sure it'd work. He dosed himself and then charmed the hell out of Evergreen to the point she almost didn't want to let him go. The kid from that is Senja. Later on, you get confirmation that this was one of Garth's attempts at convincing Gweyr to stop being an edgelord and come back home. One of the few bits of good writing.

 

[Quintilus]

Later on, you get confirmation that this was one of Garth's attempts at convincing Gweyr to stop being an edgelord and come back home

Source?

 

[Shiro15]

She never wanted to lose her dick -- well permanantly that is. She tried to get rid of her confiment but it did not work.

And besides the whole heir thing-- which if it happens I also dislike since I do not like concept of companions punishing people for lacking in certain equipment ala Kiyoko -- she is still build on the premise that she is your subby girl. Now that can lead to a scenario where she could gain a vagina for champions benefit, but that is a premise that Savin never wanted to explore. Same reason how some people want Brienne to gain a dick but Wsan has no interest in it.

I know Ryn never made statement where they said " I don't want a dick. I want to be a real girl." or anything along those lines. Even in the old builds that I remember playing, the purpose of of shrinking their dick or growing a vag was to try and get the cage to fall off. But the cage basically shrunk with it or became a clit cage. So, yeah you're right, Ryn never says they don't want a dick.

My point was the way many of the scenes with Hethia or where Ryn told us about the bullying they received from their sister, it was heavily implied Ryn was being bullied due to them having a dick. (Originally I thought Ryn was a trap or boy but due to his sisters treatment had been sissified. And I thought the original purpose of the character was to appeal to people with a sissifacation fetish. But the character is just a chick with a dick.) While, yes Alissa is a massive bitch Ryn clearly has a complex about their dick. Both due to it being small, and how other characters treated her for having one.

The old Hethia scenes if I'm recalling them correctly, Hethia really lays into Ryn about that and if you have a confident Ryn she'll call Heathia out for her petty insults. As, Ryn came in good faith to negotiate the release of the loggers (probably one of my favorite bits of character development, as it showed Ryn won't allow herself to be pushed around anymore. It allows your companion to show their growth without undermining the pc's role as the protagonist. It's part of the reason why Ryn was one of my favorite characters when I first started to playing.)

While I don't know what Savin has directly stated or what they had planned for the character in the past, there is room for both dedicking Ryn or maintaining the status qou.


If you asked me as a writer, it makes more sense for a confident Ryn to keep their dick. It shows them overcoming their insecurities and accepting themself ( If you asked me as a pervert I would prefer a dedicked Ryn.) I don't mind a more confident making their own decisions every now and then. If written well it could be interesting to see. But, there is room to write a storyline where a confident Ryn chooses to lose it out of there love for the champ. It's made clear both in sex-scenes and dialogue Ryn wants to the champ to be as happy, as they've made them. Both in dialogue with Brint, Arona and Cait its made clear Ryn looks to the champ for approval and even copies some of their mannerisms. It could also play into the whole story-line of them trying produce a heir. Maybe they say fuck what kingdom wants, I just want to have freaky sex with my lover. Or they consult you on the matter as they don't want to lose you. Outside of Brienne, Ryn comes across as like a true lover, that cares about you and what you think. In most healthy relationships people consult the person their with because they respect them and know certain descions affect both people in a relationship.

If were talking about a insecure Ryn, it doesn't make any sense for them to have a say. You should be completely in charge, even if Ryn takes the throne it makes more sense for you to be the real power behind it. And if you want to dedick them they have no real say. It could turn into a interesting corruption route.

The writers left certain traits about this character open, and I'm not saying this is entirely negative. (I don't expect any writer to tell us every detail about a character, but some of the choices seem questionable at best.) I genuinely believed Ryn had a lot of potential as a character, but now a lot of things come across as spiteful or deliberately done annoy people.

 

[Skandranon]

The writers have been saying there were no plans to gender swap Ryn since at least 2019.

 

[G3b]

(Originally I thought Ryn was a trap or boy but due to his sisters treatment had been sissified. And I thought the original purpose of the character was to appeal to people with a sissifacation fetish. But the character is just a chick with a dick.)

TBH, I thought Ryn was a man as well. It's quite odd the dev never (or did at some point, too lazy to research it) address it for the confusion if Ryn was a man or a woman after entering the wayfort.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Now that can lead to a scenario where she could gain a vagina for champions benefit, but that is a premise that Savin never wanted to explore. Same reason how some people want Brienne to gain a dick but Wsan has no interest in it.

These two things are not even remotely the same. Brienne having a dick doesn't really match her character or the kinks she's supposed to hit. It just wouldn't really make sense to have it. Ryn on the other hand, there's not really much of an argument against her growing a vag besides Savin saying no. It fits her niche, and could even enhance it since seeing your subby little plaything with your baby in her belly could do things for people.

I don't really care about de-dicking her either way, never been particularly interested in it. But Savin refusing the option to give her a vagina when Ryn wants to have kids with you is a giant fucking meme. I could only imagine it's done exclusively out of spite, as I don't see how her impregnating Elthara is in any way a good solution for dick-wielding PCs. And that's not even mentioning the fact that it's not your kid in any way at that point. It's literally just the plot of a generic NTR doujin.

 

[Thisguy2]

So is there any real reason why the level limit is still so low?

 

[RARE2000]

So is there any real reason why the level limit is still so low?

Too lazy to program the new skills.

 

[G3b]

Too lazy to program the new skills.

No, it's a "power fantasy."

 

[RARE2000]

No, it's a "power fantasy."

For Savin right?

 

[RARE2000]

Yeah... Cait's not-not-not-not NTR at the beginning(First few areas) is a bit weird. Especially considering with her religious backround being "Divine Whore." And essentially a reverse of the classic 'Anal doesn't count' thing with Nuns, where she is saving her Anal Virginity for 'Someone Special(You.)'

Even weirder considering she has no actual romance options and a disclaimer when you first talk about the sexy with her, about just how much of a humongous whore she is, and how expecting anything else will not go anywhere.


But we've had characters be Humongous whores and still actual decent love interests before. Kiro from TiTS is a good, if highly controversial, example.

Cait's comparative... Shallowness is likely due to the fact that she either won't be truly romance-able ever, or that it will be locked behind saving her sister, far in the future. Perhaps her sister would be a romance option? But considering she may also be a Mallachite, low odds there.



^ To the above. Ironically, Etheryn is the closest companion to being an actual fleshed-out love interest. And you can actually have a mutually supportive(Or manipulative) relationship. I was never interested in him though as A; My character is either a Grim Knight-Templar Paladin, or a feminized trap addicted to Futas. Or both.

And B; Unless I'm running a female character(usually something to do with Bimbo Brew) I don't sexually engage with male NPCs. If I'm playing a gigachad character, then as Shadow taught us, "I don't care, looks female enough."

Any other case? Sure, I'll help him stop being so mopey and sad, therapy powers go! But I won't fuck him to make him feel better, I'll pawn that off to Cait.

If you were able to have a proper Bromance. That would be swell. But Etheryn's entire character is being trapped... In-between. So not likely.



Azyrran's pretty good, but she hasn't gotten content in a while.


Kiyoko is probably the obvious option. But I legitimately just do not find her attractive. She's dommy enough to interest me but not truly grab me, so I'm just dissapointed. And, like everyone else, find Kinu's design and personality more attractive.

Apparently they added a bard in Korminos with an actual marriage quest. Why the Vanilla hand-holding fans have come to this... Warren... Of dickgirl degeneracy, is rather beyond me TBH.

 

[Shiro15]

These two things are not even remotely the same. Brienne having a dick doesn't really match her character or the kinks she's supposed to hit. It just wouldn't really make sense to have it. Ryn on the other hand, there's not really much of an argument against her growing a vag besides Savin saying no. It fits her niche, and could even enhance it since seeing your subby little plaything with your baby in her belly could do things for people.

I don't really care about de-dicking her either way, never been particularly interested in it. But Savin refusing the option to give her a vagina when Ryn wants to have kids with you is a giant fucking meme. I could only imagine it's done exclusively out of spite, as I don't see how her impregnating Elthara is in any way a good solution for dick-wielding PCs. And that's not even mentioning the fact that it's not your kid in any way at that point. It's literally just the plot of a generic NTR doujin.

That's another aspect I didn't really touch on, but never really made sense to me. Because Elthara to my knowledge isn't related to Ryn or Alissa, or any of the royal family. So, that basically means Ryn could just choose their successor. They don't even need to have Elthara another potential love interest who is begging the champ to put a baby in her during sex scenes, cuck the player with Brint.

The writers have been saying there were no plans to gender swap Ryn since at least 2019.

Once again I'm fine with that. I think Ryn keeping their dick and coming to terms with it fits the story better. It makes for a better arc with character imo. But the problem arises when you introduce this plot thread about her needing to produce an heir. Why would she seek out someone who isn't her lover? Why can't we get a one off scene where Ryn grows a vag just so the player character can put a baby in her and she changes back after giving birth, or just wait so she can impreg a female champ? This world has a lot solution to the issue at hand. This isn't like Assassin Creed Odyssey, where the female protagonist has be straight or at the very least bisexaul or the games narrative completely breaks.

This is why a lot people are annoyed or pointing out how flimsy these issues are in the story. Because were accepting the rules that the writers have established in this world. But, they ignore when it would lead to more work/ alternative solution in the story.

 

[ara1111]

specially when the desires of the champ are supposed to be all they care about even on a high confidence path

What? That's not true at all. She cares a lot about her royal status, other elves, half the story quests are literally helping her with these things because she asks you to because she cares about them.

Klemaia is such a weird character.

A few of that guys characters are weird. Evelynn and Khlemaia also may aswell be literally the same character; exact same inexplicably high sexual stamina, blowjob focussed threesome scenes and gentle loving mommy dom attitude; Orlaith has Ardia style addiction mechanics, but without the justification Ardia has; Brienne instantly falls in love with you the moment she switches gender (and does so so hard the fear shown to her in Garth's mom quest is the mc leaving her for someone else). Hashat's always been a problem character herself, because of the infamous casual blowjob scene and how much more into fucking her Ryn gets then fucking the mc, even when she's already claimed to be in love with us and how it has us explicitly get off on being cucked and cum from it with no option to you know not be a cuck.

Even though this is supposed to be the most quality controlled of the 3 games a lot of weird things get in. Like doggy dick guy leaving your party permanently with no warning once his quest is done, extremely inconsistent abilities for the mc (can have an orgy with kobolds no issue in one of the more recently made areas, yet casual sex with one dude can be tiring, in the same area there's the blue and red demon fight where even if you win the most you can have is double penning the blue one, being entirely unable to tell one of them to fuck off, etc), weirdly rushed storylines like when you interact with the centaur girl maybe 2 fucking times ever and immediately marry her, Cait's friend charging you to use her womb when no one else in the world seems to give a single fuck about having children and child care seems to be free (and the implications in her explanation they groom children to be whores and are charging you for this), references to Brienne surpassing sexual dimorphism and retaining strength even though gender doesn't seem to have any effect on strength for literally anyone else in the entire world, etc

Oh and with Cait, unless you invite her to threesomes and lose some fights or waste time passing rests in town (in which case she's molesting virgins or some shit), she basically never fucks anyone. Its weird. She won't start playing with Evelynn or doggy dick unlessy ou specifically suggest it.
Oh and literally just malepreg Ryn problem solved. See it in my xianxia all the time. Stick an egg in her butt.