Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Comiies]

Well, what can you do with turn-based combat to be honest? The combat should be the weakest point of an RPG, for RPGs are about story and characters. Ideally, there should be a large helping of player choice to go along with it.

Its a perspective thing.Even if you consider TBC boring you can agree that CoC2s is badly designed.Its not about if you like TBC its about how badly designed the games TBC is.

 

[zwere]

Well, what can you do with turn-based combat to be honest? The combat should be the weakest point of an RPG, for RPGs are about story and characters. Ideally, there should be a large helping of player choice to go along with it.

False. As an avid RPG player, I couldn't disagree with this more. If the combat and the systems associated with it are bad, then that reflects poorly on the game. People who go "it's an RPG who cares about combat" are the same as people who let Bethesda get away with releasing unpolished crap using a decrepit engine.

 

[Alterism]

are the same as people who let Bethesda get away with releasing unpolished crap using a decrepit engine.

You're still on timeline 2. We split in timeline theta ages ago.
Achieving bland experienced isn't embraced by the public for Bethesda anymore. Everybody rags on them including the formerly paid journalists.
They still sold pretty big numbers through starfield.

what can you do with turn-based combat to be honest?

There are many many many games with good turn based combat. We're 3 decades in to games with good turn based combat. Naturally people that don't like turn based fights will never warm into them, but turn-based combat isn't bad because it's turn based. Turn based combat can be bad when it's designed poorly.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Well, what can you do with turn-based combat to be honest? The combat should be the weakest point of an RPG, for RPGs are about story and characters. Ideally, there should be a large helping of player choice to go along with it.

I...what? There's plenty of brilliant, in-depth combat system RPGs that I play for the sole sake of its combat as they have shit stories. Shin Megami Tensei is the biggest example I know. Or hell, fucking Pokemon. Nobody plays Pokemon for amazing story.

I do agree that expecting deep combat from a porn game is too much though. It's not the point of the game.

 

[zwere]

You're still on timeline 2. We split in timeline theta ages ago.
Achieving bland experienced isn't embraced by the public for Bethesda anymore.

They still sold pretty big numbers through starfield.

Doesn't matter what the reviews look like now, they already cashed in their cheques, same with Fallout 76. Bethesda should've been put through the wringer ever since Fallout 4, but they have plenty of sugar daddies out in the open supporting the habit.

 

[Comiies]

You're still on timeline 2. We split in timeline theta ages ago.
Achieving bland experienced isn't embraced by the public for Bethesda anymore. Everybody rags on them including the formerly paid journalists.
They still sold pretty big numbers through starfield.


There are many many many games with good turn based combat. We're 3 decades in to games with good turn based combat. Naturally people that don't like turn based fights will never warm into them, but turn-based combat isn't bad because it's turn based. Turn based combat can be bad when it's designed poorly.

Most innovative gameplay.My god how is that real

 

[MoneyMan181]

You're still on timeline 2. We split in timeline theta ages ago.
Achieving bland experienced isn't embraced by the public for Bethesda anymore. Everybody rags on them including the formerly paid journalists.

Gonna have to disagree with you there chief. Bethesda still has assloads of soyboys who defend their garbage. Starfield also had a very positive at launch and still made them millions so regardless of if people rag on them, people are still eating up the slop they shovel out.

 

[Alterism]

do agree that expecting deep combat from a porn game is too much though. It's not the point of the game.

It's not uncommon for porn games to at least try with their combat systems.
There's the typicals that people sape on like Alchemy Meister, Sengoku Rance, and recently Flip Witch. But there's also MGQ Paradox, Succubus Affection, half of Libra Hearts roster, Shrift, EMM's games, etc.

Generally though they're aim for not being obtrusive. CoC2 has the encounter rate of Majin Tensei without being even 2% as interesting or deep. You cap out on xp and money becomes meaningless while random encounters will give you literally nothing worthwhile so what in the world is the encounter rate doing being so high?

and still made them millions so regardless

Honestly I wasn't expecting to live in a reality where I regretted a purchase more than I regretted buying Brink but here we are.

If I'm going to be realistic, whatever E6 ends up being is also going to be overhyped garbage. And it's also going to print money.

 

[Comiies]

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Gonna have to disagree with you there chief. Bethesda still has assloads of soyboys who defend their garbage. Starfield also had a very positive at launch and still made them millions so regardless of if people rag on them, people are still eating up the slop they shovel out.

I actually had a convo about this before.The guy was essentially saying "Well why are bethesda games,the AC series and other such games getting 5 star reviews and why are people buying them if they are,as you say shit games?".Its simple really.What is selling is not the game itself,its the name.Nobody that wasnt lobotomized would say with a straight face that he thinks Fallout76 or any of the latest AC games were good.No.They buy them because it is an AC game,because it is a fallout game.Whats selling is the name not the game itself.Fucking sovelware man i swear.

 

[throbzombie]

There's plenty of brilliant, in-depth combat system RPGs that I play for the sole sake of its combat as they have shit stories.

That's my point, dude. If anything should be the weak point in an RPG, it's the combat. The focus of an RPG should be the story and characters. Combat is ancillary.

Sure, you might play an RPG that has shit story and fun combat, but that's missing the point of an RPG, yeah? It might as well be some other genre of game at that point.

False. As an avid RPG player, I couldn't disagree with this more. If the combat and the systems associated with it are bad, then that reflects poorly on the game. People who go "it's an RPG who cares about combat" are the same as people who let Bethesda get away with releasing unpolished crap using a decrepit engine.

No false, just your opinion. To give an example of what I mean, Fallout: New Vegas has terrible combat, but it has a great story and characters, as well as tons of player freedom. That' what makes it a good RPG, as well as a good game.

 

[Rononoes]

Is there any way to disable the save edit message? Being punished by the devs (not even for the player's benefit) for changing the lip color from black to peach is damn annoying. What's worse is it's a design oversight that hasn't been addressed since the game's inception (complemented by the lacking color selection for a variety of body parts and makeup in general, not to mention all the unused remnants from TiTS seen in the save editor in a game that touts it's customization ability (there's not even an option to be a Nekomata in the save editor, brah.)) Even worse is there's a post on the Fen Forums themselves asking the same thing from years ago, shows how much the devs care about the playerbase, even back then. Sheesh this went off topic.

 

[muschi26]

It's not uncommon for porn games to at least try with their combat systems.

I’ll counter with every single RPGM game ever made.

 

[Deviton123]

So from the comments:

Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim(depending on the person) = COC1
Fallout 76, Starfield = COC2

 

[smithsmithsmith]

I’ll counter with every single RPGM game ever made.

Nah, there's a couple standard combat systems the vast majority of games fall into but there are also some who try and shake it up for better or worse, first one that springs to mind is Karyns's prison. Turns it into a resource management based system with damage being centered around a stance based combat triangle.

 

[yuzuyo]

That's my point, dude. If anything should be the weak point in an RPG, it's the combat. The focus of an RPG should be the story and characters. Combat is ancillary.

Pure nonsense. Go back to the beginning of virtual roleplaying games and point me to the games that DIDN'T focus on combat. Never heard of Darklands? Wizardry? Wasteland? This imaginary idea that RPGs should focus on story and only make a serviceable gameplay is ENTIRELY modern, result of the genre becoming mainstream.

Going back to the discussion. Honestly, this game's combat is a fucking piece of shit. I think I'm reasonable with my criticism of the game, but I just can't stand the fucking card game RPG shit and the need to have a bunch of fucking shadows following me everywhere because the hero of the story can't handle some goddamned wolves. What a disgrace. Xianxia has problems, but it's a thousand times more enjoyable than the trash Savin came up with.

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I wish we could use wild animals in the place of companions. We're basically giving kill commands already, so I'd rather hang out with some wolves and bears and sic them at people. At least we'd look more competent that way, instead of having to rely on whores.

 

[jfmherokiller]

So from the comments:

Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim(depending on the person) = COC1
Fallout 76, Starfield = COC2

if you include the moddablity of the above games then the comparison is even more apt.

 

[Comiies]

Pure nonsense. Go back to the beginning of virtual roleplaying games and point me to the games that DIDN'T focus on combat. Never heard of Darklands? Wizardry? Wasteland? This imaginary idea that RPGs should focus on story and only make a serviceable gameplay is ENTIRELY modern, result of the genre becoming mainstream.

Going back to the discussion. Honestly, this game's combat is a fucking piece of shit. I think I'm reasonable with my criticism of the game, but I just can't stand the fucking card game RPG shit and the need to have a bunch of fucking shadows following me everywhere because the hero of the story can't handle some goddamned wolves. What a disgrace. Xianxia has problems, but it's a thousand times more enjoyable than the trash Savin came up with.

Xia at the very least trys to have a decent combat system smh.My experience as a charmer in coc2 after some levels was as follows:
1.press allure
2.press allure
3.press ultimate
4.press allure
5.Watch your goons kill everything if you havent already killed them yourself
6.Profit

 

[muschi26]

Xia at the very least trys to have a decent combat system smh.My experience as a charmer in coc2 after some levels was as follows:
1.press allure
2.press allure
3.press ultimate
4.press allure
5.Watch your goons kill everything if you havent already killed them yourself
6.Profit

My experience as a warrior:

1. Cleave
2. Random single-target ability
3. Random single-target ability
4. Basic attack
5. Repeat

If my party gets a couple crits in, win. If the enemy boss gets a single crit in, lose and reload.

 

[throbzombie]

Pure nonsense. Go back to the beginning of virtual roleplaying games and point me to the games that DIDN'T focus on combat. Never heard of Darklands? Wizardry? Wasteland? This imaginary idea that RPGs should focus on story and only make a serviceable gameplay is ENTIRELY modern, result of the genre becoming mainstream.

Don't try to diminish my argument by calling it nonsense, jackass. You don't agree? Fine, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. I will repeat once more, role-paying games, virtual or not, are about story, characters, and player freedom. I said that combat was ancillary (look it up), and I used an example to illustrate my point. If you can't understand plain fucking English, don't fucking reply.

 

[Skandranon]

Nobody's agreed on the "what is an RPG" discussion for the last 40 years, doubt we're going to solve it now.

I'm flashing back to impassioned back and forth on forums when I was in high school about how JRPGs weren't real RPGs and it was a weeb conspiracy slapping the label on them...