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Mommysbuttslut

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thats kinda a extreme way to put it, sure brian acts like a douchebag but i wouldn't call em a rapist
Consent under coercion is not consent. Is Hanna going to marry Brian because she wants to? No, it's been made extremely clear that she doesn't want to and is being coerced into it. Do you think Brian's going to allow her to reject him sexually after their wedding? Highly unlikely to me. Spousal rape is still rape, MC failing to end their engagement would lead to Hannah being raped.
is it really netori if eventually you want a women that also wants you but is in a arrange marriage due to her family which she disagree's with but does so out off respect/loyalty?
The root word for NTR is netoru, which is written with the characters for sleeping and taking, or reasonably interpreted as sex and stealing. Since Hannah is Brian's fiance stealing her away would technically be netori. There's 3 types of NTR, the relevant one for this is type A which is where the heroine is conseunsually seduced and wants to be stolen. It's basically a type A netori and we're already at the point where the heroine wants to be stolen. As I said it pushes the definition of the term beyond its point of usefulness but technically it's netori. Technically MC NTRd Brian when he took her to his office, had her strip for him and he spanked her. It's just too bad dumbass Rachel interrupted before Hannah let out a moan. The biggest tell for that is Hannah saying that Brian's tried getting that far but she keeps rejecting him.
 

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Is it only me or is the mention that hannah's sister is happily married some slight netori foreshadowing?
I don't see the MC behaving dishonorably by pursuing Harriet while she is married - that would be counter to what he needs to get Mr. Gilbert to break off the engagement of Brian to his daughter Hannah, with the MC being honorable and the Russell's being dishonorable.

My take was that The Gilbert family head was including a capable daughter in his inner circle, meaning that he values his daughter's abilities as much as any sons (although we don't know of any sons at present).

I like this preview image of the first council meeting attended by the MC.

I think Mr. Gilbert must have been proud that he had two daughters sitting at the head tables for the 5 founding families.

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While I'd like to add Harriet to the MC's redheaded section of the harem :love:, we would need a few things to work strongly in the MC's favor.


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I never realized this. I really believe this will be case. Those kinds of details - timing-wise - are really great foreshadowing elements. It's like 1-2 shots before Rachel is cought in the office you can see her shoe behind the desk hinted at.

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Sarah Lily talk I guess?



Brian is definitely gonna cause a rift at least partly. I don't think Brian will actively slap Hannah at school. This is still Allison's turf and she could expell Brian for it. Even if Gloria went to Allison she would get shut down and in the Council any decisions being being forced won't be in her favour.

On another note Hannah's father is already suspicious of Gloria due to MC telling about his Grandfather. Basically if MC hangs out with Hannah and she continues to work there Brian will turn into a timebomb. How "honourable" Brian behaves will just accelerate Hannah's father preparing to be invovled to helping Regi and form new tri-force alliance opposing Sarah's and Brian's father.
This is a hell of a post my friend and I think it's the best one I've read so far in this thread. I wanted to read it last night but was too tired so I tackled it this morning with a cup of coffee.

I think you hit everything on target 100% here. Damn good post (y)
 

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I don't know if it's necessarily a bug or not, but the transition from Day 3 to 4 doesn't function like the rest, only shows the night time cityscape and just goes to the next scene instead of transition to the daytime and then stating the day of the week. Also no jingle.
Noticed this as I was making a save file for all they days. View attachment 4009152
The transition is interrupted by the MC's dream about Lucy, with the night cityscape before the dream, and the sunrise one after.
 

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Honestly, just do what you like. Even if it means others dislike it. It is not really worth to stray away from your own vision just to please people who basically just use emotional blackmail. "If you do that, I will not play this game anymore" is a shitty attitude and if it results in the creator of the game not being able to create the game in the way they themselves want it, it is really bad.
So go for all the nipple piercings you want, in the end, 90% of people who say they wont play the game anymore will still be playing it, just in secret, lol.

(Personally, I think for a certain someone who has high feministic views it would be even funnier when she gets even more body modification. Imagine turning the feminist into some form of Bimbo or hyper-feminine person with Piercings, Implants, bleached hair, etc... I know this is not the route you want to go, so I dont expect it or would even demand it, but I personally would like the idea of her turning like that...)
Yes I sure as hell wouldn't stop playing if one (or more) girls got a body modification I didn't like. While some things are better than others, tell the story you want Cosy. That's why we're all here. If a tattoo or a piercing derails people off of the game, it's their loss.

Yeah there's things personally I would or wouldn't like to see, but I'm not going to stop playing just because it happens.
 

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Consent under coercion is not consent. Is Hanna going to marry Brian because she wants to? No, it's been made extremely clear that she doesn't want to and is being coerced into it. Do you think Brian's going to allow her to reject him sexually after their wedding? Highly unlikely to me. Spousal rape is still rape, MC failing to end their engagement would lead to Hannah being raped.
hannah wanting to honor her fathers will even though she doesn't love brian isn't consent under coercion because she wants wants to and choose to do so which is consent.
also hannah isn't some brain damaged retard, she knows that being brian wife will mean having sex with him.
it seems that duty-full and honourable moral's were instilled on her by her family.
now how would such a wife act with her husband that wants sex with her? she'd do it IMO even if she necessarily desires it personally.

you overreaching super hard with you arguments and making hannah look like some helpless retard in the process.

brian might also respect his wife her wishes if she were to refuse and i'd say the situation vicky proves that he won't actually force her,because he tried to convince her with the money & lifestyle etc. but then quickly switched to mika and a jealousy approach after that failed.
Yes brian is a entitled prick but he has shown nothing to indicate he would rape hannah or any other women.
i won't condone rape in any case but i also won't condone rape accusations based on feelings or assumptions like these.

yes hannah doesn't love brian BUT! she is consenting to the marriage because its her fathers wish and is doing so willingly,and is fully aware that means having sex with him and having his children
 
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hannah wanting to honor her fathers will even though she doesn't love brian isn't consent under coercion because she wants wants to and choose to do so which is consent.
That's the exact definition of consent under coercion. She needs to consent so she doesn't put her father in a bad position. Quid quo pro is a coercive element, she'd have never consented to it if she actually had a free choice in the matter.
you overreaching super hard with you arguments and making hannah look like some helpless retard in the process.
That interpretation is a massive over reach. She's in a position where she either lets some sniveling little shit have his way with her or she loses her entire family. Consent needs to be enthusiastic, this is the exact opposite of that.
 

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People have been talking about alot of nonsense but no one is talking about how akatsuki has taking a more hands on role in the harem. screenshot0001.png
 
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That's the exact definition of consent under coercion. She needs to consent so she doesn't put her father in a bad position. Quid quo pro is a coercive element, she'd have never consented to it if she actually had a free choice in the matter.
then why didn't allison marry him? she was in the situation and she CHOOSE not to, hannah chooses to do so.
if this exact definition of consent under coercion is applied more boardly to life decision the whole thing falls apart really fast.

this entire thing is currently boiling down the well if the world was perfect she wouldn't do it, but the world isn't perfect so now brian is raping her.
 

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Is it only me or is the mention that hannah's sister is happily married some slight netori foreshadowing?
no because the MC isn't the NTR type
TBH, it would be fun if that happens because Harriet definitely the better looking and graceful than both Alisson and Hannah
XD
and that does break MC's personality although trashing Rachel wont be one
since Rachel deserves it and she wants it herself for her own redemption

So stealing Hannah from brian isnt netori?
yup, technically it would be a netori
but in this case its more of being the Hero rather than some Fuckboy
and Hero does takes any girls they wanted with no consequences

I don't see the MC behaving dishonorably by pursuing Harriet while she is married - that would be counter to what he needs to get Mr. Gilbert to break off the engagement of Brian to his daughter Hannah, with the MC being honorable and the Russell's being dishonorable.

My take was that The Gilbert family head was including a capable daughter in his inner circle, meaning that he values his daughter's abilities as much as any sons (although we don't know of any sons at present).


While I'd like to add Harriet to the MC's redheaded section of the harem :love:, we would need a few things to work strongly in the MC's favor.


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The harem feels more and more complete each time, can't wait for the teacher to completely fall.
Also, congrats on making a great tsundere character, wasn't insufferable at the start, and is adorable now even as she calls MC stoopid. What a cutiepie.
 

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Welp, finally got around on playing the update (very quickly finished because of the spoilers in here lol), and I like it because it's funny, light-hearted with foreshadowing, cute, heartwarming, and above all, logical. The progress on the relationships between MC and the girls are natural and logical enough in the world, though I am still in the "Hate Rachel" side because of previous reasons I've said that haven't changed and I'm too lazy to bring them up again, since everything is just assumptions and I'm free to judge Rachel based on evidences shown. Oh, and even if Brian gets his hands on Rachel for some reason(?), I'll just feel nothing and immediately wonder what angle is Cosy working here.
 
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Yes I sure as hell wouldn't stop playing if one (or more) girls got a body modification I didn't like. While some things are better than others, tell the story you want Cosy. That's why we're all here. If a tattoo or a piercing derails people off of the game, it's their loss.

Yeah there's things personally I would or wouldn't like to see, but I'm not going to stop playing just because it happens.
Yeah, but other responses have been really negative to the piercings. And I always have the opinion that a Dev should do what THEY like. Because if they start to move away from what they actually wanted to create, they might become unhappy with the product. And an unhappy Dev is a demotivated Dev. And a demotivated Dev leads to an abandoned game.

Not saying that ignoring Feedback is good or that there should be no inspiration from Fans and Patrons. But IMO you can clearly see that the Dev here has a plan how to develop the story and I think so far they are doing great, so I hope that they continue to add what they like.
(E.g. I am not a big fan of the Founding Family-story, I basically have the same opinon as MC about this, lol. But I cannot deny that it is a really interesting and unique approach to a Harem Game, especially because Harems (or multiple wives) are a common thing for the Founding Family Heads... And I cannot deny that there was put a lot of thought into it.)
 

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I saw that .11 will be a single-day update and I thought the term "a fun one" was mentioned I think on Patreon. So a ton could happen on that day with the main four girls finally becoming girlfriends.

Waiting until .11 (guessing December, hoping earlier) is going to be brutal
0.10 was said to be a huge update, and I only saw 0.11 said to be a bit smaller. was it officially announced that it would cover only 1 day ?

TLDR: All the adults in Rachel's life are failing her. Neglect is a form of abuse.
we only know Alison is dismissing Rachel. we don't know Rachel's situation at home. she could be in a home where everyone supports her and her ideas. and because she is supported, she is far less extreme at home, so the only worry of her parents could be that she never brings any friends home.
before MC, no one tried to stop her. we can't be sure it's neglect. it could be blind validation and support.
could be that her extreme views on feminism are stemming from social media only, and have no real basis in her real life.

and now being confronted with the reality of girls actively choosing to submit to MC and being happy is shattering all her views.
doing more research would allow her to discover that feminism is actually about equality and not about skewing the balance on the opposite side. it's also about allowing women to choose what they want for themselves, be it complete independence or being a submissive traditional housewife.

Honestly I hope for Rachel to find a way into the Harem at least at somewhat a semi-main member as this sub-plot just fits into the yet not fully revealed overarching plot-puzzle.
Rachel is an official main girl, she will be an integral part of the harem. not a semi-main :)

She does not display any kind of special talents and bathes in her glory of feminism. Any other girl so far displayed a unique set of characteristics be it expressed in their looks or by their behaviour.
actually, she displays incredible mental fortitude, persistence, dedication, commitment, and a sense of righteous justice, never backing down even against more powerful opponents. she is just misguided.
once she becomes part of the harem and sees it as her family, she might be a wall that defends everyone and destroys anyone that tries to harm them.

Is it only me or is the mention that hannah's sister is happily married some slight netori foreshadowing?
only you :)
it was more of a way to deny any hope for the player that MC would get with her :D so the complete opposite of your wishful thinking ;)
Hannah and Alison would veto her anyway.
MC doesn't actively pursue every girl he means. it's the girls that go to him, or are thrown into his laps even when he doesn't want them. being happily married, Harriett has no reason to spend time with him anyway. moreover, she was raised as dutiful and honorable, and having an affair would cast shame and scorn upon her family and her father the most, so she would actively avoid it. she seats next to her father at the council ans is his personal assistant, she is far from being stupid, she knows what MC and Alison are doing, and it's very probable she supports the saving of Hannah. She wouldn't do anything to jeopardize that.

then why didn't allison marry him? she was in the situation and she CHOOSE not to, hannah chooses to do so.
if this exact definition of consent under coercion is applied more boardly to life decision the whole thing falls apart really fast.

this entire thing is currently boiling down the well if the world was perfect she wouldn't do it, but the world isn't perfect so now brian is raping her.
it could be some kind of coercion still, because Hannah witnessed first hand how Alison was treated after she denied her father's orders. losing literally everything and almost everyone she cared about.
she is also very close to her father, and fears losing him even more than Alison did. so she could want to refuse, but she can't actually make any rational decision because she is paralyzed by fear of the consequences. she is not mature enough to stand up for herself yet.
and even if she knows that marrying Brian means having sex with him, and having his children, she might not understand what it really means, and no one knows how she will react when the moment comes to actually do it.
Brian might not be a rapist, but he is not used to being denied what he wants. he only let Victoria go because he can't go against MC directly, and she rejected him publicly. he switched to Mika, not because he wanted to make her jealous, but to save face. which means he could not be able to handle Hannah switching side. he might lose it and try to make her his before MC...

Plus i doubt there will be a male heir in Gloria's generation or else why would Gloria be the head of the family at all
Gloria has a brother, he was supposed to be the heir but she destroyed him and took his place. he could still be alive and, with some help, could take the seat back.
 
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This is a hell of a post my friend and I think it's the best one I've read so far in this thread. I wanted to read it last night but was too tired so I tackled it this morning with a cup of coffee.

I think you hit everything on target 100% here. Damn good post (y)
Thanks, again the cosy cafe is just too good of a base material to not analyze, summarize and at then post the conclusions here. I pretty much started replaying in 0.10 from the beginning and there I noticed a lot of foreshadowing elements which I previously did not take note off. Makes you wanna read the every statement twice and looking at every render more closely in the next update.

actually, she displays incredible mental fortitude, persistence, dedication, commitment, and a sense of righteous justice, never backing down even against more powerful opponents.
Actually I'd be careful about those characteristics. Except for the persistence and somewhat mental fortitude all other traits are not confirmed but could rather been seen as symptoms of inexperience. Rachel might exhibit those traits but it can not be confirmed if this is just due to her never facing adversity or genuinely acquiring those.
I'd argue everyone can be dedicated and commited if their life does not support the pursuit of different interest, which fanatic feminism could potentially hinder. Same goes for sense of righteous justice. So far Rachel is just spouting a misandric narrative. MC being constantly insulted by insinuating he's manipulative, misogynistic and finally commiting sexual crimes like assault en masse (just see the hilarious misunderstanding of trying to 'catch' instead 'collar' Akatsuki). Finding common statements and skewing those for your narration is everything but righteous. Critical thinking and assuring the truth behind every statement you propergate is your own responsibility.

Rachel does not fit the bill here. She even has a short tongue-slip where she says she 'convin~' -> 'make you understand' her view of feminism and how MC is pretty much just gaslighting Lucy into misogyny.

I mean: What the :KEK:

 
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Yeah, but other responses have been really negative to the piercings. And I always have the opinion that a Dev should do what THEY like. Because if they start to move away from what they actually wanted to create, they might become unhappy with the product. And an unhappy Dev is a demotivated Dev. And a demotivated Dev leads to an abandoned game.

Not saying that ignoring Feedback is good or that there should be no inspiration from Fans and Patrons. But IMO you can clearly see that the Dev here has a plan how to develop the story and I think so far they are doing great, so I hope that they continue to add what they like.
(E.g. I am not a big fan of the Founding Family-story, I basically have the same opinon as MC about this, lol. But I cannot deny that it is a really interesting and unique approach to a Harem Game, especially because Harems (or multiple wives) are a common thing for the Founding Family Heads... And I cannot deny that there was put a lot of thought into it.)
yeah the purity crowd are just childish entitled brats. so denying what they want, and teaching them a bit of frustration is always a good thing for their education :D

would be really funny if the collars were replaced by collar tattoos so they cannot be removed :D
 
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Gloria destroyed her teenage brother when they were younger so that she could take over the family.

We don't know about any male cousins but it is implied that Gloria is so ruthless that anyone, male or female that she felt threatened her ascent to head of family met an untimely accident or death.

Re: Harriet - IMO - anything with Harriet beyond her being a loyal support for her father is a reach...no breadcrumbs that I have seen.

She is a secondary character. Would I Love to see her make the main character screen? Oh Yeah!! :love:

Until then, my Harriet hopes are purely non canon in nature. :(

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Gloria destroyed her teenage brother when they were younger so that she could take over the family.

We don't know about any male cousins but it is implied that Gloria is so ruthless that anyone, male or female that she felt threatened her ascent to head of family met an untimely accident or death.

Re: Harriet - IMO - anything with Harriet beyond her being a loyal support for her father is a reach...no breadcrumbs that I have seen.

She is a secondary character. Would I Love to see her make the main character screen? Oh Yeah!! :love:

Until then, my Harriet hopes are purely non canon in nature. :(

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No more main li will be added there was a chance for the best girl Annabelle but no more
 
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