VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.13.1 EA] [Cosy Creator]

[Mark Loring]

I was expecting her to join someone that oppose us, maybe Brian's mother so that they can claim that we have taken Lucy from her in front of the rest of the families.

It might be something like that, birds of a feather her mother and Gloria. Either way I expect the knowledge of the abuse to go public, either through the MC losing his temper or Lucy, maybe storming out of the kitchen or something trying to defend the MC.

 

[S1nsational]

Trying to publicly weaponize Lucy's abuse, while obviously horrible for Lucy would be a very interesting scene.

I can very easily see Sarah, Hannah, and Catharine rising to her defense and creating a wall in front of her using their status to help shield her. Hard to keep up the attack when you have to go through three Families to do so. To say nothing of how MC himself would react, then the rest of the girls.

edited to add in a missing word

 

[mordred93]

Interesting thought about Lucy's mother. We don't know what her business is, but she could present at the FF meeting, at the Cafe. This could then let her know where Lucy is, as she will be there doing stuff (serving, sitting w/ the MC, etc.) The interesting part, could be that the MC could vote against Hamilton/Bennett (so, against their strategy) with Russell/Gilbert just to screw over Lucy's mother. Thus throwing the whole "who you voting with " strategy into disarray.

 

[Serpent Wolf Dragon]

My biggest question comes from Alison, I think the MC gives her way to much power/say, without knowing her that well and not really getting answers when it come to what she knows about his grandfather.

The overall plot of "unravel the current equilibrium" could lead to bigger ramifications them what the MC knows / has been told / willing to accept.

Also "creating your own ruling faction" could just be a means for Alison and Elizabeth to take power and push the MC out when it comes to it, (slimier to what Mrs Russell has done.)

Notes: I do know the MC wants nothing to do with it - that doesn't mean he should just dismiss it the way he has.
and I highly doubt the date planed will give us any answers that will solidify her trust.

 

[Elduriel]

My biggest question comes from Alison, I think the MC gives her way to much power/say, without knowing her that well and not really getting answers when it come to what she knows about his grandfather.

The overall plot of "unravel the current equilibrium" could lead to bigger ramifications them what the MC knows / has been told / willing to accept.

Also "creating your own ruling faction" could just be a means for Alison and Elizabeth to take power and push the MC out when it comes to it, (slimier to what Mrs Russell has done.)

Notes: I do know the MC wants nothing to do with it - that doesn't mean he should just dismiss it the way he has.
and I highly doubt the date planed will give us any answers that will solidify her trust.

I think you are thinking way too hard on this. The game has politics, sure, but it's primarily about fun. I don't expect there to be betrayals on that level.

 

[Mark Loring]

I think you are thinking way too hard on this. The game has politics, sure, but it's primarily about fun. I don't expect there to be betrayals on that level.

And we already had one 'betrayal' with Akatsuki. I doubt it's going to be overused, if used again at all

 

[mordred93]

My biggest question comes from Alison, I think the MC gives her way to much power/say, without knowing her that well and not really getting answers when it come to what she knows about his grandfather.

The overall plot of "unravel the current equilibrium" could lead to bigger ramifications them what the MC knows / has been told / willing to accept.

Also "creating your own ruling faction" could just be a means for Alison and Elizabeth to take power and push the MC out when it comes to it, (slimier to what Mrs Russell has done.)

Notes: I do know the MC wants nothing to do with it - that doesn't mean he should just dismiss it the way he has.
and I highly doubt the date planed will give us any answers that will solidify her trust.

A couple points. 1) The MC has the final vote. If he thinks Alison's advice is bunk, he could vote against what she has said. 2) She has been open with him (her motivations, her advice, etc.). 3) She has said she wants him to succeed, and for her to gain power through that (it is joint interest).

Overall, no one else has said they would help him (outside Catherine). However Catherine won't commit to the MC's family yet, thus, he cannot trust what she says completely. I am sure the MC isn't blindly trusting Alison, but what she has said so far hasn't lead him astray.

 

[danb35]

And we already had one 'betrayal' with Akatsuki.

...and that one was telegraphed a bit. I still think MC was a bit too quick to forgive, forget, and accept, but that's a separate issue--we at least suspected it before it happened. While it's clear Alison knows more than she's saying, we haven't seen anything I recall that suggests she isn't genuine.

 

[Elhemeer]

that actually might be her initial approach which will fail horribly, that would be like Cathrine vs Hannah at a bigger scale..

Did I misread that discord post? I thought the whole Charlotte thing wasn't happening anymore? Or was that an old post saying it's not happening soon?

My biggest question comes from Alison, I think the MC gives her way to much power/say, without knowing her that well and not really getting answers when it come to what she knows about his grandfather.

The overall plot of "unravel the current equilibrium" could lead to bigger ramifications them what the MC knows / has been told / willing to accept.

Also "creating your own ruling faction" could just be a means for Alison and Elizabeth to take power and push the MC out when it comes to it, (slimier to what Mrs Russell has done.)

Notes: I do know the MC wants nothing to do with it - that doesn't mean he should just dismiss it the way he has.
and I highly doubt the date planed will give us any answers that will solidify her trust.

This is a fair question, and the MC is probably being a bit too trusting, even as he professes being unsure and wary, and I only have one counterpoint to it: That doesn't seem to be the kind of story Cosy is writing.

What happened with Akatsuki felt like it was baked in with sufficient foreshadowing. And while an Elizabeth betrayal would be harsh, if Alison turned out to be a double-agent, that feels like it would break the story. I wouldn't believe the MC could come back from even a temporary betrayal from her at this point.

So if that actually happened in the story (Alison doing something that was a direct betrayal, not just someone saying she had) I wouldn't believe that the story could move forward in it's current form, and I'm not sure I'd want to read whatever came next.

 

[Serpent Wolf Dragon]

I think you are thinking way too hard on this. The game has politics, sure, but it's primarily about fun. I don't expect there to be betrayals on that level.

Yeah, probably am over thinking it. but will keep it as a side thought just in case

And we already had one 'betrayal' with Akatsuki. I doubt it's going to be overused, if used again at all

A second 'betrayal' is not so far out the realms, however I do see your point.

That doesn't seem to be the kind of game Cosy is making.

I don't think so either

Most of this is just thoughts I am throwing out there anyway.

The MC has the final vote. If he thinks Alison's advice is bunk, he could vote against what she has said

I still stand by the MC been to trusting, even if he has final say

 

[S1nsational]

My biggest question comes from Alison, I think the MC gives her way to much power/say, without knowing her that well and not really getting answers when it come to what she knows about his grandfather.

The overall plot of "unravel the current equilibrium" could lead to bigger ramifications them what the MC knows / has been told / willing to accept.

Also "creating your own ruling faction" could just be a means for Alison and Elizabeth to take power and push the MC out when it comes to it, (slimier to what Mrs Russell has done.)

Notes: I do know the MC wants nothing to do with it - that doesn't mean he should just dismiss it the way he has.
and I highly doubt the date planed will give us any answers that will solidify her trust.

The first part, yea probably. But I'd say that likely holds true for Alison also. Sure she has a good understanding of how it all works and the various dynamics at play. But that's all in a balance that's only a few decades old at most, since MCs grandfather was exiled. There's once again Five Families ruling. No one likely knows how this will really go, not even those old enough to remember when the council always had Five Families.

I honestly can't see how Alison and Elizabeth could do that. To do what you're thinking Alison and MC would need to get married first of all. Alison is far down the list of future wives, she'd be the fifth wive, minimum. Victoria has already expressed interest in getting involved in the political side of things in the future as one of his wives. Victoria has been somewhat antagonistic to Alison from the start. I genuinely can't see her letting Alison take over. Hell Catherine wouldn't stand for MC getting fucked over like that, her growing feelings for MC aside, MC is her golden ticket for a better life for herself and likely her younger siblings too. And that's just about making MC a puppet. MC openly doesn't trust Elizabeth, so add than on top of everything I mentioned for Alison.

Trying to oust MC like Russell did to his grandfather just doesn't make any sense from the start. Alison and Elizabeth would need at least one of them to be married to MC for them to hold any representative power among the Families. Divorce would strip them of that power, and MC would keep it. Yea Russell is a female Family Head, but her husband is still there alive and well and still her husband.

So yea, long term I see things as being pretty low risk all told.

 

[Cosy Creator]

Did I misread that discord post? I thought the whole Charlotte thing wasn't happening anymore? Or was that an old post saying it's not happening soon?

I was toying with the idea of dropping her to reduce the number of LIs, which is already way too high (though I wouldn't ever want to lose any of the already introduced ones). However once I posted that summary of the plan for her, there were a lot of people on discord wanting to see her kept in. Eventually I decided to keep her, though I'm not entirely certain yet if I'll make her into a proper LI, or rather just an important side character that enters the story for a while, but doesn't stick around long-term.

 

[HiHaHo]

Did I misread that discord post? I thought the whole Charlotte thing wasn't happening anymore? Or was that an old post saying it's not happening soon?

depends on the when, i just grabbed a pinned message from cosy in the #theorycrafting.
(all planned,future content is subject to change)

edit: this reaction is made useless for some reason

 

[Serpent Wolf Dragon]

though I'm not entirely certain yet if I'll make her into a proper LI, or rather just an important side character that enters the story for a while, but doesn't stick around long-term.

most likely - is to see how the player base reacts when its "acted out in game" and work with the reception from there.

 

[JMan9200]

I was toying with the idea of dropping her to reduce the number of LIs, which is already way too high (though I wouldn't ever want to lose any of the already introduced ones). However once I posted that summary of the plan for her, there were a lot of people on discord wanting to see her kept in. Eventually I decided to keep her, though I'm not entirely certain yet if I'll make her into a proper LI, or rather just an important side character that enters the story for a while, but doesn't stick around long-term.

For what it's worth, it's a pretty interesting plot direction, to have an ex come in who knew the MC "before" and have all this backstory with him and act as a pseudo-antagonist to the current harem girls. It would make for some good drama, but I think the key about whether or not she stays and turns into a proper LI that joins them all depends on how she's framed as a character. Will she ultimately be a terrible person like Brian and his mom, Lucy's Mom, Vicky's Dad, etc.?

Or will she be someone struggling and full of conflict and depth like the current LIs all are/were and able to turn into a really likeable and enjoyable character that the fans come to love? If it's the former, everyone will probably be happy to see her gone, but if it's the latter, then I think everyone will be upset if she's cut out at the end.

 

[nonanonanon]

For what it's worth, it's a pretty interesting plot direction, to have an ex come in who knew the MC "before" and have all this backstory with him and act as a pseudo-antagonist to the current harem girls. It would make for some good drama, but I think the key about whether or not she stays and turns into a proper LI that joins them all depends on how she's framed as a character. Will she ultimately be a terrible person like Brian and his mom, Lucy's Mom, Vicky's Dad, etc.?

Or will she be someone struggling and full of conflict and depth like the current LIs all are/were and able to turn into a really likeable and enjoyable character that the fans come to love? If it's the former, everyone will probably be happy to see her gone, but if it's the latter, then I think everyone will be upset if she's cut out at the end.

She's super chill, but she did some soul-searching after they broke up and came out as asexual, so no harem for her.

 

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Ok seeing them side by side elizabeth and annabelle really looks like clones of each other. I wonder if one of their designs get updated down the line?
I just want to see brian's reaction to his sister getting collared by his enemy.

 

[HiHaHo]

Ok seeing them side by side elizabeth and annabelle really looks like clones of each other. I wonder if one of their designs get updated down the line?
I just want to see brian's reaction to his sister getting collared by his enemy.

pfff that'd might be easy to achieve... being collared and walked around like a dog just to piss off her mom should fit her current mindset.
you could frame it like psychological warfare for/during a FF meeting to throw gloria off balance or be distracted from a other plan at work.
or it can be "anything to piss off mom" for elizabeth.
We don't know her motivations yet,only that she's against her mother.

 

[maxthruster]

pfff that'd might be easy to achieve... being collared and walked around like a dog just to piss off her mom should fit her current mindset.
you could frame it like psychological warfare for/during a FF meeting to throw gloria off balance or be distracted from a other plan at work.
or it can be "anything to piss off mom" for elizabeth.
We don't know her motivations yet,only that she's against her mother.

This would be pretty funny, but a bit cheap in my opinion. The chokers are a sign of trust and affection between the harem, so handing one out as a stunt would just lower the rest I think. Even if it was only temporary.

 

[Meiri]

This would be pretty funny, but a bit cheap in my opinion. The chokers are a sign of trust and affection between the harem, so handing one out as a stunt would just lower the rest I think. Even if it was only temporary.

Even if it was to piss her mom and with her consent, it feels a bit degrading for Elizabeth specially if in front of the rest of the families, up until now the collar thing has been a thing of affection and love, I also think it would cheapen the meaning for the current harem girls.