HTML Course of Temptation [v0.6.4g] [Anthaum]

[Amnelis]

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I was thinking more along the lines of your baseline beauty stat being mostly fixed outside of how well rested or put together your hair or clothes are + minor stuff like getting a facial, etc. Just a little "you look more refreshed" flavour text and your baseline beauty stat goes up. More of a difficulty level to how attractive your character can be to others so you'd have to pay closer attention to likes and dislikes and make enough money to get clothing in a specific style, mainting them and mantaining your styled hair, makeup, etc. But if it were to be something you can increase significantly then fillers that mimic bone structure to give people cheekbones & a sharper jaw are a thing irl. Results aren't always great but this is a game after all (even if it does strive to be realistic-ish) so there's no need to add a realistic simulation of filler in the character's body that would eventually lead to pillow face.

What the general NPCs tend to like and dislike could be customizeable like how you can customize how likely NPC's specific reactions to kinks are in Lilith's Throne. So if you want a playthrough where your not-so-attractive chubby character get's hotter by working out and wearing push up bras you could edit the NPCs preferences so they usually dislike chubiness & like big breasts. If you want a playthrough where no one cares about how thin or fit others are you can make it so no NPC likes or dislikes those traits.

 

[Ssato243]

Can we know how much I need to date the rat pub owner because it seems that I can't romance her and have sex

 

[Ayam85]

Looks like the Greek House update has been delayed to early June. Don't expect anything in this week.

 

[Sant3224]

Looks like the Greek House update has been delayed to early June. Don't expect anything in this week.

My prediction was early/late July, good to see I was wrong

 

[ich0]

I was thinking more along the lines of your baseline beauty stat being mostly fixed outside of how well rested or put together your hair or clothes are + minor stuff like getting a facial, etc. Just a little "you look more refreshed" flavour text and your baseline beauty stat goes up. More of a difficulty level to how attractive your character can be to others so you'd have to pay closer attention to likes and dislikes and make enough money to get clothing in a specific style, mainting them and mantaining your styled hair, makeup, etc. But if it were to be something you can increase significantly then fillers that mimic bone structure to give people cheekbones & a sharper jaw are a thing irl. Results aren't always great but this is a game after all (even if it does strive to be realistic-ish) so there's no need to add a realistic simulation of filler in the character's body that would eventually lead to pillow face.

I would like to say that humans have an instinct for beauty/health. But that is not universal (not for everyone and every circumstance). For example: If someone's face or head is splashed with water or cum, there is no standard for a reaction. Some like it and some are not. This includes destroyed maskara. These things are complex and would destroy the world of some people if they are falsely implemented.
For example, I want my character not to be embarrassed/humiliated over some things, but even after playing some time, I have only reduced the occasions. I try to ignore it, but I don't like it.

What the general NPCs tend to like and dislike could be customizeable [...]

Then you would reinforce the belief of people that there is only one perfect state and for example, if someone has this disorder when they eat too little or too much, they will reinforce themselves with this. If they find someone who would like them while they build themselves like they are, they could learn to accept themselves... This is only rambling, but I hope you can see the direction that I am going with this.

I have nothing about more options, if there is a good interface to have an overview of them. But there is a big roadmap and I want to hurry it along.

 

[buggzy313]

I was just about to send an ss of the submission bar and ask that lol....ty ...I will try your advice

So I've been trying on n off...I have a chick with submissive at full bar on the sub Dom bar to where I should become her master...I'm not getting a prompt when I speak to her

 

[Kallumin]

I will be honest, I don't get the beauty ideal discussion. Implementing something like that would not enhance gameplay for me at all, while taking away dev time from actual content that could be enjoyed.

The game throws some artificial roadblocks via the RNG mechanic your way anyway, why would I make this even more complicated by whether my character is considered beautiful or not? If this would preclude me from getting closer to a NPC I'm gunning for just because they like wider hips or whatever, that would be very frustrating.

NPCs already have likes and dislikes, there's no need to make it more complicated in my opinion. And if somebody wants their chubby or skinny or femboy MC the most attractive person on campus, that should be up to them and not on others imposing supposedly "universal" beauty standards on the game.

 

[Sant3224]

So I've been trying on n off...I have a chick with submissive at full bar on the sub Dom bar to where I should become her master...I'm not getting a prompt when I speak to her

You have to go on a date to properly ask the question

 

[buggzy313]

You have to go on a date to properly ask the question

Ok I'll try that

 

[Amnelis]

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I get that, I'm personally not a fan of games having a clear corruption meter for example where it will tell me my character is now permanently a bimbo or something because she's had too much sex vs letting me decide how she feels about it. A good example is Newlife, you can play a virgin who wants to wait until marriage to have sex but you might end up making out with a guy & depending on your willpower & how turned on you are your character might give in. But the game never tells you how she feels about it, it's entirely up to you. But the game also lets you choose a few physical traits and a beauty level (plain, pretty & beautiful if I recall correctly) during character creation.

With the beauty stat thing I wasn't thinking of it as blocking you from pursuing a specific NPC entirely, but if they like blue or short hair it'd be more important for you to go to the salon vs just being something you can ignore if you want. Neither was I thinking of it telegraphing like "your character is ugly because of this or that feature", more like you get more or less attention & you could lower or increase your stat to a degree via certain actions. I just think more customization options that affect gameplay & how NPCs react to your character are always welcome as long as they keep some balance with player freedom.

I do agree the devs should work on and deepen what's already in the game vs adding new things for now though.

 

[Ssato243]

love the game but want to know how to romance the rat owner and the tatao shop owner please

 

[Monki0]

I get that, I'm personally not a fan of games having a clear corruption meter for example where it will tell me my character is now permanently a bimbo or something because she's had too much sex vs letting me decide how she feels about it. A good example is Newlife, you can play a virgin who wants to wait until marriage to have sex but you might end up making out with a guy & depending on your willpower & how turned on you are your character might give in. But the game never tells you how she feels about it, it's entirely up to you. But the game also lets you choose a few physical traits and a beauty level (plain, pretty & beautiful if I recall correctly) during character creation.

With the beauty stat thing I wasn't thinking of it as blocking you from pursuing a specific NPC entirely, but if they like blue or short hair it'd be more important for you to go to the salon vs just being something you can ignore if you want. Neither was I thinking of it telegraphing like "your character is ugly because of this or that feature", more like you get more or less attention & you could lower or increase your stat to a degree via certain actions. I just think more customization options that affect gameplay & how NPCs react to your character are always welcome as long as they keep some balance with player freedom.

I do agree the devs should work on and deepen what's already in the game vs adding new things for now though.

What I could imagine is an indicator that tells you the attraction of an NPC based on their kinks.

If you click on an NPC there is a meter of how attractive you are to them. This should be individual for every NPC you meet and Update whenever you change something about yourself.
Example: they like blond people, Grunge style and big ass.

You are a nerdy brunette with big ass. You would fill their Meter 1/3. However you could die you hair and dress more Grunge to fill the rest of the Bar.

The more attractive you are to them, the easier it is to built Romance / Lust.

The Dev then could built on this baseline by adding bonus for additional stats like messy / clean clothes, short / long body hair and so on.

So if you really want to romance someone you could groom, dress appropiatly to increase their attraction towards you.

All of those stats should be changeable by the player. Hair can be changed, clothes could be changed, general cleanliness can be changed. Having a slim ass can be changed by eating junkfood / a fat ass by working out.

Other physical traits the player has no control over, should be ignored. (big tits, big Junk, age)

 

[ich0]

Other physical traits the player has no control over, should be ignored. (big tits, big Junk, age)

That would be dumb, If each thing only has a sligth impact, it would be ok.

If it is too extrem, you will have love on first talking to someone - or hate.

Not everybody likes to form themselves to another person. Funny would be if this was at least partly included.

 

[AH1488]

From my perspective the biggest problem with attractiveness is that it's hard to "see" which characters are attractive without going through a bunch of menus. In real life if you are in a room with 19 ugly girls and one really hot one you will be able to pick out the hot one as soon as you walk through the door. In this game you first have to bring up a menu to see who is in the room with you, and then you have to somehow figure out which of the "brawny casually dressed girls with big ears" is the hot one, and then read through her profile to find out "oh yeah she has huge tits." This is inconvenient to the point where you probably aren't even bothering to do it and just hoping the person you're talking to in an event isn't an uggo.

I think this is just another aspect of the female pc bias since you can always see your own appearance in the side bar. Even in the context of the current discussion people only care about how npcs view their female pc, not how npcs appear to the player.

 

[menatv]

Been so long since I did the E-girl/No Scoper thing. How exactly do I put in a good word to the E-girl for the 360 No Scoper? Do I have to stream? Or is it just a RNG sort of thing that will eventually pop up?

 

[Amnelis]

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I like this a lot, it was kinda what I meant, with the beauty stat being more of a difficulty level that would increase the penalty for having a trait a NPC dislikes. Maybe instead of a vague dedicated stat it could just be a toggle or dificulty level you could chose at the beginning of the game. I didn't consider making a distinction between traits that can be easily changed those that cannot but I like that too, it goes well with the realistic tone of the game.

Your idea + a customization option for how often NPCs like or dislike certain traits could allow for people who enjoy a glow up type gameplay to get something in that vein without drastically changing how the game works for everyone.

 

[yozara]

I feel like this game is more sub orientend than dom.

As a sub, MC's masters can order nudes (which MC can't do as a dom) and have way more possible clothing rules than what MC have as a dom.
The rules MC can give are no bra, no panties and dress/skirt only or skintight bottom only that's all, 3 rules max with one option to get somewhat creative and pick the other choice.
The rules I have received as a sub were no bra, skintight top, skintight bottom, collar and visible belly, I can only guess there's more

Same ideas, there's are NPC that you can't have good interaction with as a dom.
My first exemple if the roommate's partner, since they're a dom bully, as a sub the interactions flows "normally" (they're a dom you're a sub, maths are mathing) but as a dom you can only still be theyr sub even if you're a dom or not engage at all.
You could try to force them and break them so you end up as their dom or you could work together as equals and dominate someone else (first guess, the roommate themselve since you're both linked to said roommate)
And that goes for every somewhat dominat NPC wether they're important storywise or not, either you cheat and change their inclination or you have no choice but to be dominated.
You can't dominate the teachers at all, any sexual or even flirtatious interactions put you as their sub (the first kind of interacton you can have even raise your compliance, you have the choice to comply or not go further) I would love to make the teacher my subs, force interaction in classe or demand good grades.

 

[Sant3224]

I feel like this game is more sub orientend than dom.

As a sub, MC's masters can order nudes (which MC can't do as a dom) and have way more possible clothing rules than what MC have as a dom.
The rules MC can give are no bra, no panties and dress/skirt only or skintight bottom only that's all, 3 rules max with one option to get somewhat creative and pick the other choice.
The rules I have received as a sub were no bra, skintight top, skintight bottom, collar and visible belly, I can only guess there's more

Same ideas, there's are NPC that you can't have good interaction with as a dom.
My first exemple if the roommate's partner, since they're a dom bully, as a sub the interactions flows "normally" (they're a dom you're a sub, maths are mathing) but as a dom you can only still be theyr sub even if you're a dom or not engage at all.
You could try to force them and break them so you end up as their dom or you could work together as equals and dominate someone else (first guess, the roommate themselve since you're both linked to said roommate)
And that goes for every somewhat dominat NPC wether they're important storywise or not, either you cheat and change their inclination or you have no choice but to be dominated.
You can't dominate the teachers at all, any sexual or even flirtatious interactions put you as their sub (the first kind of interacton you can have even raise your compliance, you have the choice to comply or not go further) I would love to make the teacher my subs, force interaction in classe or demand good grades.

Not only sub, but also oriented to female (preferably cis) pcs, especially during clothing malfunction events.

 

[Geigi]

Not only sub, but also oriented to female (preferably cis) pcs, especially during clothing malfunction events.

Maybe the dev is a woman and her target audience are mainly heterosexual women.

 

[eightypercent]

From my perspective the biggest problem with attractiveness is that it's hard to "see" which characters are attractive without going through a bunch of menus. In real life if you are in a room with 19 ugly girls and one really hot one you will be able to pick out the hot one as soon as you walk through the door. In this game you first have to bring up a menu to see who is in the room with you, and then you have to somehow figure out which of the "brawny casually dressed girls with big ears" is the hot one, and then read through her profile to find out "oh yeah she has huge tits." This is inconvenient to the point where you probably aren't even bothering to do it and just hoping the person you're talking to in an event isn't an uggo.

I think this is just another aspect of the female pc bias since you can always see your own appearance in the side bar. Even in the context of the current discussion people only care about how npcs view their female pc, not how npcs appear to the player.

I understand and agree about instant recognition if a person is physically attractive or not, though I think I'd have worded it a little less crudely. No matter.
Perhaps quite a simple fix using text format?
At start you define a number of turn ons and turn offs, and these are NPC variables.

If no turn offs, NPC name is made more obvious (highlighted, background colour...).
If no turn offs AND say one or more Turn Ons, then NPC name is in slightly larger text size.

Easy to see and understand, and normally, easy to implement.