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TofuCircle

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I'm also just grinding MOL. I do not have the energy to math out everything to try for leaderboards and then make repeated attempts. Also I want to see if I can find Tanaka 7 days after she gets kidnapped or something. She gets kidnapped to another country by some cult led by an oracle and then suddenly her completely ordinary childhood friend just pops up out of nowhere barely a week later like, "Yo, what's up?" Then straight up goes fist to sword with Paladin the very next day and wrecks a few streets.
This is exactly the kind of stuff I want lmfao. I sooo hope there'd be some unique reactions for situations like these eventually where you're able to do stuff SIGNIFICANTLY sooner than you'd normally be able to.
CSdev Thoughts on this?
 
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I'm pretty sure most of that is going to be handled with either out of order stuff (impressing Jackal before d32), or multiple goals at once(Observing Jackal's Body the first time you train with her).

But that involves a lot of writing so it's probably a ways out, especially since there's still a bunch of placeholder text.
 

Tsul

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I wonder how much it takes to go to Metropolist before d50 and just use the perk to keep getting x3 by going between cities. it would be super hassle to control I suppose but if possible plus self-destructive, it would be monster run lol
 

TofuCircle

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I wonder how much it takes to go to Metropolist before d50 and just use the perk to keep getting x3 by going between cities. it would be super hassle to control I suppose but if possible plus self-destructive, it would be monster run lol
The city travel x3 (Restless) does not stack with other city travel x3, only refreshes duration. But apparently city travel x3 stacks with loop start x3 (Impatience)

In MOL upgrades, I think I have 40 Drive, 42 Athletics, 38(?) academics and charisma, 1 Confidence, 22 Frugality, 25 Adrenaline, 39 Impatience. Also 20 Restlessness and Cunning, but those don't matter pre-Metropolist

I arrive in Metropolis on day 56, but I'm also doing everyone's side quests. If I focused only on getting to Tanaka I could do it before day 40. Actually maybe not, since the plane trip takes 2 whole days. Lemme test that
 
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Tsul

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Man, trying to get High Society early is killing me, it's way too hard lol Too bad the easeness not scale with finance or I would've bulldoze it.

Also price discont is useless after reaching 10 I think, 10% is just low enough to do whatever.
 

TofuCircle

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Man, trying to get High Society early is killing me, it's way too hard lol Too bad the easeness not scale with finance or I would've bulldoze it.

Also price discont is useless after reaching 10 I think, 10% is just low enough to do whatever.
Yeah, it goes from
Useful - you have no discount
Useless - you have a large discount
Useful - when your other stats are so high you're completing the needed goals fast enough to upgrade from Larceny Kit to Ostentatious Clothes and Self Destructive and only barely have the 11 Finance lvls needed along with the rich people meal option. So you need higher discounts so the rich people food doesn't drag your Finance below 11 lvls
Useless - as long as the dev doesn't add any other high finance cost actions early on in the game
 

Tsul

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I just hope Dev found a way to make save less...heavy? Due to my lack of skill, I has to farm loops since I can only make 450 MoL at most each
 

TofuCircle

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I just hope Dev found a way to make save less...heavy? Due to my lack of skill, I has to farm loops since I can only make 450 MoL at most each
The dev had this to say. So yeah, it's in the works. If you're going for MOL, prioritize Academics loop until you're strong enough to gain access to Ruler early, then hop back and forth between cities gaining more territory.

  • On the programming end, the structure of the game's save files needs to be improved so that they don't get endlessly larger the more loops you've played. For players who aren't aiming for a high score, there's no need to save the full action log for all loops ever played, and the log of scene variants watched should be separate from the individual save file.
 

Tsul

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The dev had this to say. So yeah, it's in the works. If you're going for MOL, prioritize Academics loop until you're strong enough to gain access to Ruler early, then hop back and forth between cities gaining more territory.
That would be impossible for me right now as I still haven't been able to get early Metropolis yet. It took too long for me to grind academics to 19, Focus to 24 and Stamina to 29 that I only finished studying language around day 80+
 

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Finished the main game content as far as I know of it so far. Was somewhere around 45 loops with about 12k MOL, and now on loop 50 gaining almost 1k MOL per loop.

Overall liked the game, the first couple loops were really great, though personally I feel like it got quite difficult to keep motivation around loop 5. I did after loop 10 find out that I could/should have been putting more focus on loops. Got a good breakthrough around that point by redoing things and I think finally understanding how to use academics (or unlocking it, not sure). That went well until I hit another wall around loop 25-30, and thought I just needed to grind out a ton of MOL to progress, as none of the upgrades were helping, until I finally stumbled upon the Impatience perk. After that I quickly started wrapping things up, and though I did a few more grinding sessions then I needed to finish the game (wasn't sure where the end of current content was), overall everything fell into place.

I really like the character dialogues, its really well done for the most part, with some really interesting thought questions behind them. The looping mechanics is a bit awkward, as it quickly goes from powerful feeling, to tedious when you are redoing the entire loop trying to hit enough goals before the time gaps, and some of the perks feel borderline useless compared to the others. Its even more awkward to forgo upgrades because it might break the loop you setup. Not sure exactly how to deal with that though.

I feel like some sort of note or mini-tutorial especially for the looping mechanics would go a long way. I didn't realize there even was a looply setting which would let me grind out points until many hours in, when I was trying to look more into the save mechanics.

The biggest concern though are some semi-bugs with the UI, especially on saving and loading, and the end game screen. The end game screen would be so much better if you just click on a perk to display its stats/info, then click on the upgrade buttons, instead of hovering and tracing my mouse around trying to get to the level down button because I was spamming clicks at the end of the loop and leveled stamina again. Clicking on the same perk again should minimize the info screen/deselect, a different perk switch context, pretty easy to program. Saving and loading is awkward, once you click the button you will be loading a save, the cancel button just doesn't work currently, which is quite annoying.

There were several times when the game froze on me, but quitting and restarting always fixed it.

Anyway, enjoying the story so far, and think I finally understand all the game mechanics, the gameplay is surprisingly deep. I with a few things had been explained better, the most notable being the buff from master your popularity. Its definitely a bit of work to unlock the later game stuff currently, including the intimate scenes, and it would be kinda nice to get some reward for going out of your way to get them, since most of them require a lot of effort (instead of Tanaka's scene breaking the loop automation). Maybe with a few balance tweaks and a little more guidance things will go smoother for new players, some of the power spikes are just insane right now and hard to progress if you don't min max to achieve them. Definitely more about the story instead of the gameplay though.

Now to setup a script and let things run for a couple days to get the powerups to prevent the abduction and a pet goal of mine to get past day 700 something.
 

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That would be impossible for me right now as I still haven't been able to get early Metropolis yet. It took too long for me to grind academics to 19, Focus to 24 and Stamina to 29 that I only finished studying language around day 80+
Not sure if you know, but there's two ways to learn the language. The study actions unlocked by Jackal's investigation, and the other one from the DuMont's charity questline. Second one is a lot better because with clothes you can push it to 45 stamina I think, which means you can clear it with self destructive real fast.
 

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That would be impossible for me right now as I still haven't been able to get early Metropolis yet. It took too long for me to grind academics to 19, Focus to 24 and Stamina to 29 that I only finished studying language around day 80+
Unless you're doing it already, if you follow DuMont's storyline you get an even more effective learn language action that costs like 45 stam with the correct gear (1.5x ones) which could potentially allow you to complete it in a single action with self destructive. I was pretty baffled when I first discovered it because otherwise I kept wasting days doing the study at home actions before that xD
 

Tsul

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Not sure if you know, but there's two ways to learn the language. The study actions unlocked by Jackal's investigation, and the other one from the DuMont's charity questline. Second one is a lot better because with clothes you can push it to 45 stamina I think, which means you can clear it with self destructive real fast.
Unless you're doing it already, if you follow DuMont's storyline you get an even more effective learn language action that costs like 45 stam with the correct gear (1.5x ones) which could potentially allow you to complete it in a single action with self destructive. I was pretty baffled when I first discovered it because otherwise I kept wasting days doing the study at home actions before that xD
Problem for me is Jackal route WAYYYY easier since it also cut down health so I can do it while doing other things. Meanwhile Dumont's club just....way too high of goal even with other stuff. It took me a lot of MoL to make it possible but still way too late and unoptimised.

Probably need more stamina and geez,power can be used a bit more spread wise in Metropolis I think.
 
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Gonna shelve this for a couple months now. One so that it gets posted for people to see, another for somebody to inevitably beat my score. I'm expecting we'll see a L10 Nemesis run before R3 drops.

There's a lot that can be done to improve it, even in the final loop. I'm pretty sure I forgot to switch diets a few times on that last run.
 
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Kishinz

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What's the trigger to keep a specific romance? I've noticed that the romance with Dumont can either fizzle out or work in the sauna, but I have no idea what caused that.
 

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I arrive in Metropolis on day 56, but I'm also doing everyone's side quests. If I focused only on getting to Tanaka I could do it before day 40. Actually maybe not, since the plane trip takes 2 whole days. Lemme test that
Alright, turns out I had learn the language done on day 46. I can get on the flight on day 47, and arrive in Metropolis by day 47. I'm not doing that because I need a couple more days to get vitality up and focus to at least 30 so I can do the goal that lets me meet Lancia in one day. Still have no idea how early I can get to Metropolis if I ignore everything unnecessary, though 5 days went to Master Your Popularity and there's a bunch more to raise vitality for the eventual Paladin fight. So, yeah. Before day 40 sounds right.

What's the trigger to keep a specific romance? I've noticed that the romance with Dumont can either fizzle out or work in the sauna, but I have no idea what caused that.
No idea, but there's a route guide text file in the game's folder. That might help
 

Rimuru154

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In the "search for clues" option after day 150, it seems like goal increasing stats actually do the opposite.
Like, with the "Unassuming" stance, I'm getting 3803 progress, but with something that increases progress like "Loner," I'm getting -1979.

Am I missing something? Do I want negatives? Or is this a bug?
 

Kishinz

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In the "search for clues" option after day 150, it seems like goal increasing stats actually do the opposite.
Like, with the "Unassuming" stance, I'm getting 3803 progress, but with something that increases progress like "Loner," I'm getting -1979.

Am I missing something? Do I want negatives? Or is this a bug?
Was also confused for a while, it's like an artificial "timer", passively increasing 10k per day. If you let it build up, bad things may happen.
 
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Kishinz

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Alright, turns out I had learn the language done on day 46. I can get on the flight on day 47, and arrive in Metropolis by day 47. I'm not doing that because I need a couple more days to get vitality up and focus to at least 30 so I can do the goal that lets me meet Lancia in one day. Still have no idea how early I can get to Metropolis if I ignore everything unnecessary, though 5 days went to Master Your Popularity and there's a bunch more to raise vitality for the eventual Paladin fight. So, yeah. Before day 40 sounds right.


No idea, but there's a route guide text file in the game's folder. That might help
Nice going, which distribution did you use in the attributes? Best MOL I've had including downing the paladin was around 1k, reaching 30 focus must cost literally tens of thousands!

Also, thanks! Somehow I missed the txt!

Requirement for Dumont is pretty strange, I honestly have no idea in how I even got it the first time since it's so natural to look for Jackal the second the option is enabled.
 
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Kishinz

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The game plays really nice for the first one hundred days, but I feel like there could be more events connected in the second city based on the relationships and choices you did on the first (Besides the Dumont job thing, which are mostly just extra decisions).
From creating a couple of meaningful connections to outright cutting them all to play mafioso with a sociopath is pretty jarring.
 
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