tabernakle
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Neither do I right now. I don't think the reviewer deleted it so I guess some moderator deleted it even though it didn't violate any of the reviewing rules ?
Dunno if you tried this or not, but do you have time to grab hard stimulants in the run? It's how you bypass high wetworks to still enable self-destructive.
And while your probably don't have time for this, Loner is really, really good in Metropolis since self-destructive basically covers nothing relevant.
I think that's Lancia's morning action? Not sure, though if it is, morning action always gets taken up by airplane arrival so no time
I just saw the syndicate uniform scene for the first time. It's weird that it hasn't shown up before. The only difference I can see is that I switched from completing the action with body armor + generous to ostentatious clothes + self destructive.
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I think I still haven't seen it myself. The only reason for this I can think of is that the previous goal in the chain got overcompleted such that both it and the syndicate uniform goal got finished together, thus only playing 1 cutscene and skipping the other.
So...Going through all the comments about people speedrunning the game, I definitely have realized I need help.
I am currently on loop 10. 682 MoL spent. Athletics 15, Drive 10, Frugality 7, Instinct 3, Adrenaline 5, Confidence 1.
I keep hitting a wall trying to either leave the city, or get the research assistant feat. I keep running out of time for both and need advice on how to push forward.
I am currently on loop 10. 682 MoL spent. Athletics 15, Drive 10, Frugality 7, Instinct 3, Adrenaline 5, Confidence 1.
I keep hitting a wall trying to either leave the city, or get the research assistant feat. I keep running out of time for both and need advice on how to push forward.
I find Handheld Device is a great option for the second day travel. Pushes Focus to another level or two while you're between. Makes Tower a lot easier to finish up in time, assuming you don't blitz it early (which I'm pretty sure you wouldn't in an end-game MoL grind setup). Someone suggested Larceny but I have no idea why; all Finance upgrades are easy to crack without it.
From memory it took about ~3-4 loops for me to get over the wall to unlock your next MoL upgrade. That upgrade skyrockets you from your ~mid-game to end run. I wouldn't worry too much about what speedrunners are doing if your goal is your first end-game run. There's a lot of min-maxing strats that will be too difficult to pull off without knowing the future (i.e., knowing what you next goal is). What I will say is, focus on one goal. I could be wrong (it's been many months), but I'm pretty sure Tower is your best friend.
Ah I only went with larcency because handheld completely escaped my mind haha. Aside from it, Larcency was the only thing that came to my mind that gave *something* passively where ostentatious clothes didn't work. I think handheld is probably loads better than larcency kit tho yeah
I uhh, don't really remember when I was there, because it's been... almost a whole year. I'm just gonna list things I know and hope it helps. You're gonna have to sort out the advice into stuff useful for you and useless to you based off what you can accomplish during your loops
Hashimoto questline leads to Debate action, which provides Self Destructive stance (+100 stamina's worth of goal and stat progress for actions requiring 40 or more stamina). This combos really good with Eye Catching Attire (Tanaka questline) or Ostentatious Clothes (DuMont mansion work questline). Some actions are below 40 stamina, but get raised to 40 stamina with those clothes
The earlier parts of Hashimoto and DuMont questlines also leads to Larceny Kit and Generous, which combos well for goal progress
Following DuMont's club questline tells you about a job in Metropolis and gives you an alternate language learning option in the afternoon(?). The best part is this action costs 45 stamina if you equip any of the two clothes, so you can combo with Self Destructive and finish it fast. Much faster than the other actions for studying in your room by yourself. Though you could also just do both of them
Completing Hashimoto's questline (finding the truth in the tower) should give you an MOL upgrade for academics? It's pretty hard since it's a 250k goal I think. But academics lvls increase how much stats you get from actions, and the upgrade increases how much it increases stat gain, so super useful!
If you don't have enough stamina to be spamming high cost actions with clothes and self destructive, you can just use larceny kit and generous. Just abandon DuMont's questline after you unlock generous / get enough finance lvls to use larceny kit. The extra goal progress and free daily finance xp from larceny kit should be enough to get you to Metropolis if you have high enough finance discount
Master Your Popularity goal buffs stat gain based off your Charisma lvl. Matters if you will get high Charisma and can complete that goal without spending too many days on it
If you don't think you can complete DuMont's club questline and unlock the other learning language path in time. I think train focus and stamina, rush larceny and generous first, then use those to do Hashimoto's questline and Jackal's investigation. Remember to spend your health on stand guard and stuff. Self Destructive needs 20 hp or below to activate. The MOL upgrade for Wetworks actually makes it harder to use Self Destructive. Eye Catching Attire or Ostentatious Clothes + Self Destructive some tower actions to get academics up, the higher the level the more stats you get! Then it's focus time, game dev with Yumeno should cost 75 stamina. Lots of focus and Yumeno relation! Then spend the rest of your loop grinding the study action with larceny kit and generous
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Alright I replaced larcency during transit flights with handheld. Ended up with 2 extra levels of focus by the end of the loop. Was definitely worth it. Thanks for the suggestion!
I'm about to reach Impatience 45. I'm very very slowly making my way to impatience 250
Also I've realized I could probably do Ruler more times. With every upgrade I push the flight 1 day earlier, but I still keep the mentality that there's not enough days left for a flight there and back. Even though I have around 8 days free now?
I'm still waiting for the update that makes the planner actually useful. The issue with optimizing loops after MOL upgrades this late into the game is it takes a while between upgrades so I forget. Then I change one action and suddenly a whole bunch of actions 10 days later no longer work. So I basically have to do a manual loop with no changes, just to understand the why behind everything, and then start a new loop and change stuff.
Having a calendar of the whole loop laid out and all the actions and goals completed and stats/relations gained on each day would be super useful
Also there's still the issue where pausing auto bugs it for the loop, it'll be off by one day and eventually mess up the whole loop. Pausing auto in a scene does not have this issue
Also I've realized I could probably do Ruler more times. With every upgrade I push the flight 1 day earlier, but I still keep the mentality that there's not enough days left for a flight there and back. Even though I have around 8 days free now?
I'm still waiting for the update that makes the planner actually useful. The issue with optimizing loops after MOL upgrades this late into the game is it takes a while between upgrades so I forget. Then I change one action and suddenly a whole bunch of actions 10 days later no longer work. So I basically have to do a manual loop with no changes, just to understand the why behind everything, and then start a new loop and change stuff.
Having a calendar of the whole loop laid out and all the actions and goals completed and stats/relations gained on each day would be super useful
Also there's still the issue where pausing auto bugs it for the loop, it'll be off by one day and eventually mess up the whole loop. Pausing auto in a scene does not have this issue
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So I originally replaced saving Tanaka action with game dev, but I just realized even failing to save her increases progress for the investigation. Which means I can go to Metropolis even earlier! Potentially
Is there some kind of wiki for the game? I'm curious to figure out which MOL bonuses to work towards to make the runs easier, and feel like I keep making the same mistakes, especially losing too much time in early game.
On that same subject, what MOL bonuses can be unlocked?
For future posters, here are the ones I found
Athletics: Increases the stamina gain from vitality. Unlocked at start?
Drive: Increases the effectiveness of focus. Unlocked at start?
Confidence: Unlocks Bar from start. Unlocked by befriending Tanaka before day 32 (AKA Reliable Feat)?
Frugality: Action and upkeep Finance xp costs reduced. Unlocked by receiving invitation to country club (AKA Budget Blue Blood Feat)?
Adrenaline: Gives free relationship, attribute, goal progress based on level of trait and ORIGINAL health cost of action (so wetwork and body armor doesn't reduce it). Unlocked by determining where Tanaka was taken (AKA Investigator feat)?
Instinct: Increases the health loss reduction of wetwork. Unlocked by earning Scarred body by doing enough skid row guard work (AKA Battle Tested Feat).
Intelligence: Increases the attribute gain of Academics. Unlocked by starting to participate in Helig's endurance tests (AKA Research Assistant Feat)
Magnetism: Increases the relationship gain of Charisma. Unlocked by finding Tanaka in Metropolis (AKA Savior Feat)
Impatience: Unknown effects. Unlocked by meeting Helig's protege while exploring The Tower after Hashimoto gives you an access card (AKA Truthseeker Feat).
Cunning: Unknown effects. Help ??? get a position in government after the event on day 150 (AKA Collaborator Feat).
Restlessness: Unknown effects. Upgrade Cause Trouble to x14 financial and 100 health cost (AKA Most Wanted Feat).
Clarity: Unknown effects. Defeat ??? before day 150 (AKA Nemesis Feat).
Edit: I just learned about the instruction feature from Hall of Fame. I kinda feel like an idiot now.
Edit: added Magnetism and its information. Added Impatience, Cunning, Restlessness, Clarity. Will add information what they do when I unlock them.
On that same subject, what MOL bonuses can be unlocked?
For future posters, here are the ones I found
Athletics: Increases the stamina gain from vitality. Unlocked at start?
Drive: Increases the effectiveness of focus. Unlocked at start?
Confidence: Unlocks Bar from start. Unlocked by befriending Tanaka before day 32 (AKA Reliable Feat)?
Frugality: Action and upkeep Finance xp costs reduced. Unlocked by receiving invitation to country club (AKA Budget Blue Blood Feat)?
Adrenaline: Gives free relationship, attribute, goal progress based on level of trait and ORIGINAL health cost of action (so wetwork and body armor doesn't reduce it). Unlocked by determining where Tanaka was taken (AKA Investigator feat)?
Instinct: Increases the health loss reduction of wetwork. Unlocked by earning Scarred body by doing enough skid row guard work (AKA Battle Tested Feat).
Intelligence: Increases the attribute gain of Academics. Unlocked by starting to participate in Helig's endurance tests (AKA Research Assistant Feat)
Magnetism: Increases the relationship gain of Charisma. Unlocked by finding Tanaka in Metropolis (AKA Savior Feat)
Impatience: Unknown effects. Unlocked by meeting Helig's protege while exploring The Tower after Hashimoto gives you an access card (AKA Truthseeker Feat).
Cunning: Unknown effects. Help ??? get a position in government after the event on day 150 (AKA Collaborator Feat).
Restlessness: Unknown effects. Upgrade Cause Trouble to x14 financial and 100 health cost (AKA Most Wanted Feat).
Clarity: Unknown effects. Defeat ??? before day 150 (AKA Nemesis Feat).
Edit: I just learned about the instruction feature from Hall of Fame. I kinda feel like an idiot now.
Edit: added Magnetism and its information. Added Impatience, Cunning, Restlessness, Clarity. Will add information what they do when I unlock them.
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Save file size, I think. I'm 1,642 loops in and my save file is 22+ mbSo, it turns out, after 763 loops, the game starts to slow dramatically
I wonder why?
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Also I would like to talk about MYP goal. If I complete it and do charity, there's 13k progress. But if I don't complete MYP and do charity, there's 9.9k progress. It took me a bit to remember MYP doesn't just increase stats gained, it increases relation lvl effects, which also increases related goal progress.
After some thinking, maybe with high enough MOL focus upgrade, I can get MYP done early, then speed through DuMont's questline and fly off to Metropolis BEFORE Tanaka gets kidnapped. Then... will there be 2 Tanakas?
Edit: I've managed to get on the plane day 44. I could do day 43, but I needed an extra day to get the fasting diet for the paladin fight near the end. I might give up on fasting it turns out I need just one more spare day to get two more ruler feats done
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I now earn 1,959 MOL per loop. Also I realized my current MOL power upgrade isn't good enough, so near the end of the loop I start needing 2 days to complete the Ruler feat. So I could just delay getting Fasting diet until then