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Why at the end it seems that Beta and Alpfa paths are crossed. When the sister comes to the MC's bed at the very end of the game, the Alpha and Beta path are shown and the choices are changed. Although shit is not shown, but it happens in the background.
Here's an example
Here everything is still fine.
After that comes the beta path
Now the question is what the fuck? It doesn't really build trust in the game if the paths get crossed and shit starts to be True when it should always be False. So this version of the game doesn't get any better than the original.
I haven't gone through all the days to know if the other NTRs have crossed over and become True. On the other hand, I'm not interested in the whole shit after that.
No fucking beta should even happen.
EDIT: Another thing I don't understand is if NTR is turned off under the button, then why every fucking time it asks if you want to see shit. WELL I DON'T FUCKING WANT TO. I don't know if that's a MOD feature or just coded into the game, but stupid thing. Why even ask at the point if it's turned off, do you want to see it? It wouldn't be off if you wanted to see it.
Here's an example
Here everything is still fine.
After that comes the beta path
Now the question is what the fuck? It doesn't really build trust in the game if the paths get crossed and shit starts to be True when it should always be False. So this version of the game doesn't get any better than the original.
I haven't gone through all the days to know if the other NTRs have crossed over and become True. On the other hand, I'm not interested in the whole shit after that.
No fucking beta should even happen.
EDIT: Another thing I don't understand is if NTR is turned off under the button, then why every fucking time it asks if you want to see shit. WELL I DON'T FUCKING WANT TO. I don't know if that's a MOD feature or just coded into the game, but stupid thing. Why even ask at the point if it's turned off, do you want to see it? It wouldn't be off if you wanted to see it.
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Thanks to everyone who voted on the poll. It gave me a better idea of what is and isn’t acceptable on the site.
After playing around with the demo version of the software last night, I realized I spent over an hour and a half messing around with one image and I still didn’t get it quite how I wanted. Sure, the image definitely looked way better than the original, but I’m not sure it’s worth the opportunity cost. It’ll drastically increase development time and I found it boring.
So I’ve decided not to do the upscaling and color balancing for now. I may revisit the idea if I catch up to the original game and feel like doing it still.
Thank you to the people who already donated. I’ve sent back your money.
I’ll be honest, I made that route in the first place to satisfy people who were waiting on the NSFW content. After a few more releases, Alpha players will probably not want to make that choice in their runs unless they want that element.
It might be too ambitious, but the plan is to have a bunch of different routes and entry points for different things. I don’t want an Alpha or Beta player to feel stuck on a single track.
And I definitely don’t have a prompt before a scene.
If Marcus and Sunny didn’t kiss, then you shouldn’t have seen that dialogue because it’s what triggers the flag you posted screenshots of.
It shouldn’t be neccasary, but I’ll wrap those scenes under the NTR toggle as a redundancy. They probably should have been anyways, but it wasn’t caught in testing because your scenario isn’t possible without command line inputs.
After playing around with the demo version of the software last night, I realized I spent over an hour and a half messing around with one image and I still didn’t get it quite how I wanted. Sure, the image definitely looked way better than the original, but I’m not sure it’s worth the opportunity cost. It’ll drastically increase development time and I found it boring.
So I’ve decided not to do the upscaling and color balancing for now. I may revisit the idea if I catch up to the original game and feel like doing it still.
Thank you to the people who already donated. I’ve sent back your money.
It’s more of a path reset. It resets your love stat with her to zero and will send you down a different route than if you don’t do it.
I’ll be honest, I made that route in the first place to satisfy people who were waiting on the NSFW content. After a few more releases, Alpha players will probably not want to make that choice in their runs unless they want that element.
It might be too ambitious, but the plan is to have a bunch of different routes and entry points for different things. I don’t want an Alpha or Beta player to feel stuck on a single track.
I’m pretty sure all the things you’re talking about in your post are caused by the mod, because I’ve reviewed that section of the code and I’m not seeing how that flow could happen.
And I definitely don’t have a prompt before a scene.
If Marcus and Sunny didn’t kiss, then you shouldn’t have seen that dialogue because it’s what triggers the flag you posted screenshots of.
It shouldn’t be neccasary, but I’ll wrap those scenes under the NTR toggle as a redundancy. They probably should have been anyways, but it wasn’t caught in testing because your scenario isn’t possible without command line inputs.
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TurhaanKoitatte and fellow players,
First of all, let me clarify that my Mod is completely unofficial and does not have the approval of Palos69 Dev (although I did not get his disapproval either). It should be clear that you cannot expect original game behavior when you are playing with a Mod and, above all, when the letters are painted green and the word MOD is very clear.
I specify this at least a dozen times: the Mod is based on the Alpha route but you are going to see all Beta scenes. The Mod, among several other things it does, sets the NTR flag to ON regardless of what it says in the settings. This is done on purpose so that Beta scenes can be played. The Mod controls the flow in other ways.
I understand that your complaint is about this last scene of v0.3 and it is true, the Mod shows the 2 scenes. I was thinking a lot about how to include these scenes in the Mod flow and finally decided this way. It has an explanation: It doesn't seem logical to me that the hottest scene occurs on the Beta path. This is a decision that I made in the development of my Mod. In the same way that showing the hot scene in the Beta path is a decision of Palos69 Dev.
It seems to me that it all boils down to this: if you want original behavior in the game, do not install a Mod since the Mod modifies the original behavior of the aforementioned game.
But I accept the criticism. This is the only place in the Mod where you see the Beta scene without previously asking if you want to see that scene. Depending on whether Palos69 Dev releases the next update I will make a fix or wait for the next version.
Best regards,
Murray.
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This became fucking clear that I won't touch your mod if it turns shitty situations into True like a sister letting a shitbag touch her. So straight NTR to the non-NTR side. No NTR hater wants that. No NTR hater will touch the beta side no matter what happens there. That NTR ON/OFF button is there on purpose so don't fucking touch it.
Who else would make a mod here? And so that you can trust it not to leak shit where it shouldn't come from? Although I'm fine with URM in this situation.
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Thanks for the info I will try this without the mod. Mainly with URM. I guess I was barking up the wrong side. Sorry about that. But what that modder did to his mod is fucking insane shit, that NTR leaks to the Non-NTR side.
That's how I understood it too, that if there is no beta selection, it should not be possible to show it in any form.
I don't mind it including those NTR options; what bothers me is when the game ends up going in a different direction. It happened to me with Hottest Summer; I wanted to follow the alpha route, but it kept ending up on another path even when I tried to avoid it several times.
Boys, I’ve done it.
After getting informed how some other people are doing their AI generated fanart, I’ve started training a Tracy model.
Right now I’ve only used and tested for expressions, but I’m going to try it with other scenarios and try to expand it. And I’ve only used about 1/10th of the training images I’ve tagged and they’re not even tagged well. I’d offer to give it out, but it’s super against TOS for Daz and I’d rather not risk it for what is essentially a non-profit for fun project.
But l wanted to let you guys know it’s possible if you want to go that route for your own projects, since I get asked to revive games all the time.
After getting informed how some other people are doing their AI generated fanart, I’ve started training a Tracy model.
Right now I’ve only used and tested for expressions, but I’m going to try it with other scenarios and try to expand it. And I’ve only used about 1/10th of the training images I’ve tagged and they’re not even tagged well. I’d offer to give it out, but it’s super against TOS for Daz and I’d rather not risk it for what is essentially a non-profit for fun project.
But l wanted to let you guys know it’s possible if you want to go that route for your own projects, since I get asked to revive games all the time.
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At this snail's pace, at least in two years it will be on par with the previous game. By that time, the person in charge is going to get bored too 
"I don't get any support" "No one supports me"
"I can't go on anymore"
"I have a new personal project"
It was best to start from where the previous game left off, with new and more exciting content
"I don't get any support" "No one supports me"
"I can't go on anymore"
"I have a new personal project"
It was best to start from where the previous game left off, with new and more exciting content
This is hardly a snail’s pace compared to the original Culture Shock and the standard of many games on this website. The other points you raise have largely been covered. As for support, the developer said from the start they aren’t interested in profiting off this rearrangement given that much the project remains someone else’s work. New content is in the game and planned using fan art, etc.At this snail's pace, at least in two years it will be on par with the previous game. By that time, the person in charge is going to get bored too
"I don't get any support" "No one supports me"
"I can't go on anymore"
"I have a new personal project"
It was best to start from where the previous game left off, with new and more exciting content
This is a QoL patch I'm releasing early. It was intended to be bundled with the Day 11 and Day 12 release, but after outlining how much custom script code will be required, I decided this was the best move. I'm also going to be extraordinarily busy in May as I'm moving to a different state.
I wouldn't expect the next content release (v0.35) for at least a month, but probably two, unless I get the time and extra energy to bust it out. As always, I'll be checking here for the next few days to see if there are any critical issues with the patch.
Notable Changes for v0,32:
- All - Incest Toggle implemented on both Preference screens.
- All - Gallery - Two scenes added to the gallery.
- All - Added a "Save Generator" form to allow players to skip days. This is a work-in-progress feature.
- All - Added a debug logger that tracks player script code traversal. This collection can be printed as a text file in the game's directory by clicking a button on the Options menu.
- Day 10 - Choice removed from d10 Night. You will now see both scenes as the Weiku/mother scene is key background information.
The incest toggle is a hacky implementation with a known bug. If you click enough times on a non-clickable option after selecting the toggle from the Main Menu (not the Preferences while in a save), it will take you to the intro screen as if you started a new game. You can easily get back to the Main Menu by right clicking. This will be addressed when I figure out a more precise solution, but the original incest toggle logic was the largest barrier to adding things to the gallery.
From a story perspective, the major change is that I removed the choice from Day 10 and made both scenes viewable. I realized that the Weiku/Mother scene had critical information that gives context for the NTR route scene in D10 and for her character in general.
The other major features added were derived from development tools I wrote for myself.
The first is a save generator that allows one to generate a save from a form (custom label) and insert yourself into whatever day you choose. This is a way for me to mitigate the impact from how often I'm going to be breaking saves in the future. I tried to idiot proof it as much as possible, but because of the planned future NEUTRAL route, I can't make accurate assumptions for a lot of variables. You can definitely create saves that breaks the flow of the game, and my script/route tuning will always be based around the actual gameplay. I will continue to refine it over time, and maybe add pre-made template options or something.
The last feature is a debug log tool that tracks player menu selections within the game. This log can be printed from the Options menu and clicking on the textbutton "Print Debug Log". I'm hoping this will make it easier for users to report strange pathing errors or intertwined routes that will only increase in frequency as the story changes get more complex, along with the additional headache of generated saves. The file will print in the game's directory. If the tool does end up being useful, I may try to rewrite its functionality to automate it and then give it out to the RenPy community. The engine does not have a lot of development tools in general.
The AI model training is going okay. I think the earlier images for Tracy are too low resolution for reliable use. Too much extra noise. I'm going to keep experimenting with making models, but I've attached a sample render of a new route that my latest iteration has made possible.
All hail the 'Crack Whore' Mother route! /s
I wouldn't expect the next content release (v0.35) for at least a month, but probably two, unless I get the time and extra energy to bust it out. As always, I'll be checking here for the next few days to see if there are any critical issues with the patch.
Notable Changes for v0,32:
- All - Incest Toggle implemented on both Preference screens.
- All - Gallery - Two scenes added to the gallery.
- All - Added a "Save Generator" form to allow players to skip days. This is a work-in-progress feature.
- All - Added a debug logger that tracks player script code traversal. This collection can be printed as a text file in the game's directory by clicking a button on the Options menu.
- Day 10 - Choice removed from d10 Night. You will now see both scenes as the Weiku/mother scene is key background information.
The incest toggle is a hacky implementation with a known bug. If you click enough times on a non-clickable option after selecting the toggle from the Main Menu (not the Preferences while in a save), it will take you to the intro screen as if you started a new game. You can easily get back to the Main Menu by right clicking. This will be addressed when I figure out a more precise solution, but the original incest toggle logic was the largest barrier to adding things to the gallery.
From a story perspective, the major change is that I removed the choice from Day 10 and made both scenes viewable. I realized that the Weiku/Mother scene had critical information that gives context for the NTR route scene in D10 and for her character in general.
The other major features added were derived from development tools I wrote for myself.
The first is a save generator that allows one to generate a save from a form (custom label) and insert yourself into whatever day you choose. This is a way for me to mitigate the impact from how often I'm going to be breaking saves in the future. I tried to idiot proof it as much as possible, but because of the planned future NEUTRAL route, I can't make accurate assumptions for a lot of variables. You can definitely create saves that breaks the flow of the game, and my script/route tuning will always be based around the actual gameplay. I will continue to refine it over time, and maybe add pre-made template options or something.
The last feature is a debug log tool that tracks player menu selections within the game. This log can be printed from the Options menu and clicking on the textbutton "Print Debug Log". I'm hoping this will make it easier for users to report strange pathing errors or intertwined routes that will only increase in frequency as the story changes get more complex, along with the additional headache of generated saves. The file will print in the game's directory. If the tool does end up being useful, I may try to rewrite its functionality to automate it and then give it out to the RenPy community. The engine does not have a lot of development tools in general.
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The AI model training is going okay. I think the earlier images for Tracy are too low resolution for reliable use. Too much extra noise. I'm going to keep experimenting with making models, but I've attached a sample render of a new route that my latest iteration has made possible.
All hail the 'Crack Whore' Mother route! /s
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The route i wait for years,
the route that wont be in original game.
the route we deserve most
how will she be addicted, black guy is a pusher?
or unseen concequences of modelling job?
There was a missing render for a sister morning event and I fat fingered an extra letter in a label that broke the alpha path in day 10.
Should be fixed now.
Should be fixed now.
Looking at the gallery I realized I missed 2 scenes: Sofia giving BJs to both Marcus and the MC at the end of the party; an a scene in a só called neutral route where the mom remembers havung sex. How can I get them?
OK...I understand the whole "step" thing alright? Except Sunny is introduced as your TWIN sister, then suddenly she is your STEP sister????? How does THAT happen? She's either your twin, or your step, but not physically possible to be both.
Where are you seeing that in the game? How they refer to each other should change based on whether the toggle is enabled or not.
sitting at the dining room table discussing Marcus party invite, Sunny says "That's so not fair" and then this.
and after Liza says "And how's the man of the house?"
and again on the next screen.....I do have the WT mod from the OP installed. Gonna try it w/o the mod, see if it matters
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right at the very beginning when you are going thru the naming convention.
I disabled NTR, enabled INCEST