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1. Just started playing this game and the art is amazing.
2. Seriously, even the game and moving around the world is nice. Like an adult Stardew Valley.
C. This is hilarious...
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yeah i agree thats my favorite part about this game . Whoever the art designer is could animate for a TV show literally its levels above
I actually play this game for the world, art and the character development lol Sure the adult parts are cool too but I would 100% play this if it was an adveture or a farming game lol
 
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I actually play this game for the world, art and the character development lol Sure the adult parts are cool too but I would 100% play this if it was an adveture or a farming game lol
soo true this is one of the very few games i would still play even if it didn't have any adult content at all
 

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You know, it's been a good long while since I tried this game even though it's been on my (very short) watch-list of games on here for more than half a year. Yet even back in the one version I tried I never managed to muster enough care to put in the effort to see all the content it offered, and every version since I have noticed yet felt no inclination to actually play. It's a strange feeling; on a conceptual level I like the game, I like some of the fetishes included, and I'm quite fond of the art-style... yet I have no desire to see more of it.

I was asking myself why that is, and after pondering for a good long while, I think the explanation is specifically the player character (PC) of the game. And after mulling it over a while longer, I decided to just try to ask if other people who might care more about the game have seen something that might change my mind and encourage me to give the story another chance.

Reminder and disclaimer: I only played one version over half a year ago, and even in that version I explored very little outside the scenes involving Daisy and Anna. I saw a few, but I mostly ignored all of that. Ironically one of the characters I ignored back then was the bully-girl from the neighboring farm - Mabel, I think? - because their behavior instantly struck me as clearly abusive toward each other, yet some of the things I've read since seem to suggest that their relationship may actually be the most wholesome out of the bunch. Maybe experiencing Mabel's scenes would change my mind... but I doubt it.

Now, my problem with the PC isn't his appearance; his boyish exterior and oversized genitals are a little distracting, but not dealbreakers to me. What bothers me is his personality. In essence, I think this PC - as with a lot, if not most, of male main characters in pornographic games - is an unapologetic scumbag.
He feigns ignorance about a lot of things, especially things of a sexual nature, while obviously having both knowledge and experience, just to seem falsely innocent while he does morally questionable things. Both from what I've seen in the game, from the descriptions of scenes in the phone and in spoiler-images and -animations shown on here, he is manipulative and deceptive, happily taking advantage on women's ignorance and vulnerability just to satisfy his own desires... and on top of that he usually tends to do so without those women even realizing that he is not as innocent as he seems. And some of the things I recall reading about in the phone but never saw (nor wanted to see) was even worse, like the one girl whose phone-progression seemed to suggest he was going to blackmail and abuse her.

It's fine if that is truly who he is, and it's equally fine if you're okay with that, but he just seriously rubs me the wrong way. Either he is extremely inconsistent, or he's viciously manipulative. There's nothing wrong if that is the intent, but it just means that the stories he is involved in probably aren't for me, regardless how fond I am of this art-style and incest.

Ironically this PC reminds me of another PC from another game, though only in that they are complete opposites of one another: Ryen from Renryuu: Ascension. Only whereas the PC of this game appears innocent but seems to me to for all intents and purposes be a secret monster, Ryen acts cold and abrasive to almost everyone he meets... yet beneath that hard exterior he obviously deeply cares about those close to him.
I found myself initially being on-board with innocent, naive PC of this game, and put off by the superficially antagonistic behavior of Ryen... and as the stories progress, I find myself more and more disturbed by this PC while Ryen won me over long ago.

So... yeah... TL;DR: Is the PC of this game an abusive scumbag, or am I missing something?
 

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You know, it's been a good long while since I tried this game even though it's been on my (very short) watch-list of games on here for more than half a year. Yet even back in the one version I tried I never managed to muster enough care to put in the effort to see all the content it offered, and every version since I have noticed yet felt no inclination to actually play. It's a strange feeling; on a conceptual level I like the game, I like some of the fetishes included, and I'm quite fond of the art-style... yet I have no desire to see more of it.

I was asking myself why that is, and after pondering for a good long while, I think the explanation is specifically the player character (PC) of the game. And after mulling it over a while longer, I decided to just try to ask if other people who might care more about the game have seen something that might change my mind and encourage me to give the story another chance.

Reminder and disclaimer: I only played one version over half a year ago, and even in that version I explored very little outside the scenes involving Daisy and Anna. I saw a few, but I mostly ignored all of that. Ironically one of the characters I ignored back then was the bully-girl from the neighboring farm - Mabel, I think? - because their behavior instantly struck me as clearly abusive toward each other, yet some of the things I've read since seem to suggest that their relationship may actually be the most wholesome out of the bunch. Maybe experiencing Mabel's scenes would change my mind... but I doubt it.

Now, my problem with the PC isn't his appearance; his boyish exterior and oversized genitals are a little distracting, but not dealbreakers to me. What bothers me is his personality. In essence, I think this PC - as with a lot, if not most, of male main characters in pornographic games - is an unapologetic scumbag.
He feigns ignorance about a lot of things, especially things of a sexual nature, while obviously having both knowledge and experience, just to seem falsely innocent while he does morally questionable things. Both from what I've seen in the game, from the descriptions of scenes in the phone and in spoiler-images and -animations shown on here, he is manipulative and deceptive, happily taking advantage on women's ignorance and vulnerability just to satisfy his own desires... and on top of that he usually tends to do so without those women even realizing that he is not as innocent as he seems. And some of the things I recall reading about in the phone but never saw (nor wanted to see) was even worse, like the one girl whose phone-progression seemed to suggest he was going to blackmail and abuse her.

It's fine if that is truly who he is, and it's equally fine if you're okay with that, but he just seriously rubs me the wrong way. Either he is extremely inconsistent, or he's viciously manipulative. There's nothing wrong if that is the intent, but it just means that the stories he is involved in probably aren't for me, regardless how fond I am of this art-style and incest.

Ironically this PC reminds me of another PC from another game, though only in that they are complete opposites of one another: Ryen from Renryuu: Ascension. Only whereas the PC of this game appears innocent but seems to me to for all intents and purposes be a secret monster, Ryen acts cold and abrasive to almost everyone he meets... yet beneath that hard exterior he obviously deeply cares about those close to him.
I found myself initially being on-board with innocent, naive PC of this game, and put off by the superficially antagonistic behavior of Ryen... and as the stories progress, I find myself more and more disturbed by this PC while Ryen won me over long ago.

So... yeah... TL;DR: Is the PC of this game an abusive scumbag, or am I missing something?
It's supposed to be a lighthearted game where MC is put in positions where he has sex with other characters.
Holy shit dude, why would you even think about morality behind this and overthink this? Jesus Christ
 

Lewyn Collins

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You know, it's been a good long while since I tried this game even though it's been on my (very short) watch-list of games on here for more than half a year. Yet even back in the one version I tried I never managed to muster enough care to put in the effort to see all the content it offered, and every version since I have noticed yet felt no inclination to actually play. It's a strange feeling; on a conceptual level I like the game, I like some of the fetishes included, and I'm quite fond of the art-style... yet I have no desire to see more of it.

I was asking myself why that is, and after pondering for a good long while, I think the explanation is specifically the player character (PC) of the game. And after mulling it over a while longer, I decided to just try to ask if other people who might care more about the game have seen something that might change my mind and encourage me to give the story another chance.

Reminder and disclaimer: I only played one version over half a year ago, and even in that version I explored very little outside the scenes involving Daisy and Anna. I saw a few, but I mostly ignored all of that. Ironically one of the characters I ignored back then was the bully-girl from the neighboring farm - Mabel, I think? - because their behavior instantly struck me as clearly abusive toward each other, yet some of the things I've read since seem to suggest that their relationship may actually be the most wholesome out of the bunch. Maybe experiencing Mabel's scenes would change my mind... but I doubt it.

Now, my problem with the PC isn't his appearance; his boyish exterior and oversized genitals are a little distracting, but not dealbreakers to me. What bothers me is his personality. In essence, I think this PC - as with a lot, if not most, of male main characters in pornographic games - is an unapologetic scumbag.
He feigns ignorance about a lot of things, especially things of a sexual nature, while obviously having both knowledge and experience, just to seem falsely innocent while he does morally questionable things. Both from what I've seen in the game, from the descriptions of scenes in the phone and in spoiler-images and -animations shown on here, he is manipulative and deceptive, happily taking advantage on women's ignorance and vulnerability just to satisfy his own desires... and on top of that he usually tends to do so without those women even realizing that he is not as innocent as he seems. And some of the things I recall reading about in the phone but never saw (nor wanted to see) was even worse, like the one girl whose phone-progression seemed to suggest he was going to blackmail and abuse her.

It's fine if that is truly who he is, and it's equally fine if you're okay with that, but he just seriously rubs me the wrong way. Either he is extremely inconsistent, or he's viciously manipulative. There's nothing wrong if that is the intent, but it just means that the stories he is involved in probably aren't for me, regardless how fond I am of this art-style and incest.

Ironically this PC reminds me of another PC from another game, though only in that they are complete opposites of one another: Ryen from Renryuu: Ascension. Only whereas the PC of this game appears innocent but seems to me to for all intents and purposes be a secret monster, Ryen acts cold and abrasive to almost everyone he meets... yet beneath that hard exterior he obviously deeply cares about those close to him.
I found myself initially being on-board with innocent, naive PC of this game, and put off by the superficially antagonistic behavior of Ryen... and as the stories progress, I find myself more and more disturbed by this PC while Ryen won me over long ago.

So... yeah... TL;DR: Is the PC of this game an abusive scumbag, or am I missing something?
If PC means Principal Character then no, he's not. He hardly has the strenght to abuse anyone (in fact, he's a victim of abuse in 2 scenes). A scumbag? Well, depends. He does take advantage of his innocent appereance, but he does not go further than the girls want (basically, not rape), although there's one scene in which he actually rapes someone because of the effects of an aphrodisiac drug he consumed without knowing what it was.
 

Lewyn Collins

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It's supposed to be a lighthearted game where MC is put in positions where he has sex with other characters.
Holy shit dude, why would you even think about morality behind this and overthink this? Jesus Christ
Well, some people do not like some tags precisely because they can't toss aside their own values. I, for instance, am unable to enjoy rape games.
 
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Pero95

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Well, some people do not like some tags precisely because they can't toss aside their own values. I, for instance, am unable to enjoy rape games.
Me neither. This game does nothing that portrays MC as a "scumbag" and certainly isn't the theme the game is going for. Why overthink it and apply real life logic to this game is beyond me.
 

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why would you even think about morality behind this and overthink this?
Why overthink it and apply real life logic to this game is beyond me.
Because for some people, blackmail and psychological abuse can be a big turn-off. And that can be a bit jarring to see mid-tug.
Why does it being fictional matter? If it hits the same points as a non-fictional example of the same behavior, it's going to conjure some of those same emotional responses.

This game does nothing that portrays MC as a "scumbag"
Not true. There are a few instances of pretty garbage behavior, like taking advantage of Emmi's innocent mindset and desire to see her students thrive and Douie's (I will never be used to that name) familial affection, both to get a crumb of coochie. He lies to several people about his sexual knowledge and intent and is performative to attempt to shed trouble. On Mabel's route he is attempting to steal the answer key for the week's-end test in school, and as stated above he blackmails her.
MC is by no means some tactical genius or evil mastermind - if there's no pussy or booba at stake he's actually pretty dense - but he is definitely out past the shallows of the 'dickheaded fuckboy' pool.

Is the PC of this game an abusive scumbag, or am I missing something?
Kind of. Some of it can be attributed to Milda Sento being ESL, like the MC calling Ana a 'clumsy pussy' after the morning BJ. The game is full of odd phrasing as a result, so the MC can come off as insensitive or stupid, even when the attitude of the conversation suggests otherwise.
He's certainly opportunistic and selfish, but that's standard operating procedure for MCs in these games. It is a well-worn but sturdy mold.
It may be worth pointing out that Mabel (Mae is the neighbor girl) was attempting to cheat the same way when she encounters the MC. She escapes about as well as she studies.


Ultimately, it all comes down to how much you feel you can ignore. If you can't, well, avoid that character. Mabel doesn't seem to be important for any other character's route, so she's safe. As near as I can recall, the blackmail is the worst of the MC's behavior by a long shot, though your mileage may vary.

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from the descriptions of scenes in the phone
It's also worth pointing out that the descriptions of events in the phone can vary wildly from what actually happens in the scene. Pixie's 'Morning Wrath', for instance - nobody involved is anywhere near angry.
 
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Yeah, the writing in this game needs an English editor. It is very painful to read in places, and my editor brain is always on the verge of exploding. If they paid me a bit, I would do it (my job involves a lot of editing and ESL correction).
100% i'd do it for nothing on my free time honestly lol , feel like some clever jokes and making the dialogue a bit more concise could actually make this game a 5/5
 

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wow I don't know what to say but I really liked Callum's mother a lot, a milf with a great body, although it's a shame I think that after 2 or 3 updates have passed we'll have more of her and I think that with little content, well that's what I think since I've I have seen the suggestions or ideas that they contribute and those that are stored but what can I say, Callum's mother is barely entering the scene and I want more content with her but damn what a desperation to see more content with her :FacePalm::ROFLMAO:
 

MadGenuis

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Not true. There are a few instances of pretty garbage behavior, like taking advantage of Emmi's innocent mindset and desire to see her students thrive and Douie's (I will never be used to that name) familial affection, both to get a crumb of coochie. He lies to several people about his sexual knowledge and intent and is performative to attempt to shed trouble. On Mabel's route he is attempting to steal the answer key for the week's-end test in school, and as stated above he blackmails her.
MC is by no means some tactical genius or evil mastermind - if there's no pussy or booba at stake he's actually pretty dense - but he is definitely out past the shallows of the 'dickheaded fuckboy' pool.

Kind of. Some of it can be attributed to Milda Sento being ESL, like the MC calling Ana a 'clumsy pussy' after the morning BJ. The game is full of odd phrasing as a result, so the MC can come off as insensitive or stupid, even when the attitude of the conversation suggests otherwise.
Ah, it sounds like you understand my perspective. It doesn't matter that the PC (oh right, his name is Callum) isn't as physically powerful as the women he is with because abuse doesn't have to be physical. It also sounds as though my impression of him is correct in his complete openness to lie, deceive and manipulate any vulnerability he can for his own sexual gratification. Too bad.

It may be worth pointing out that Mabel (Mae is the neighbor girl) was attempting to cheat the same way when she encounters the MC. She escapes about as well as she studies.
Right, Mae, not Mabel. Mabel was the blackmailed one. As mentioned it's been a while.

He's certainly opportunistic and selfish, but that's standard operating procedure for MCs in these games. It is a well-worn but sturdy mold.
As I wrote before:
In essence, I think this PC - as with a lot, if not most, of male main characters in pornographic games - is an unapologetic scumbag.
It may be common and generally accepted among their playerbase, but so are plenty of things that I avoid, which is one of the big reasons I skip by far most of the games on here. I, for one, avoid games with player characters I view as irredeemable, and from what I saw and you confirmed Callum is right on the edge of that for me. And before anyone starts mocking me for bringing in morals into a porn game again, let me reiterate that I'm not condemning the game, its story, characters or its players for any of this, I'm just trying to determine whether I should just let this game be a personal loss for me and unwatch it.

But allow me to finally ask a much simpler, more to-the-point question: does Callum ever actually show any sign of actually caring about any of these women as more than potential penis-receptacles?
 

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But allow me to finally ask a much simpler, more to-the-point question: does Callum ever actually show any sign of actually caring about any of these women as more than potential penis-receptacles?
The countryside is cursed by a magic circle that makes the MC or people around the place to do perverted stuff, but they contain themselves to not do it, like a hidden switch, MC don't remember the stuff that happened in the past because the magic circle makes the people go numb, and so he forgets easily or simple doesn't know sometimes why is he doing stuff, but at the same time he just embrace it at this point, because at first he was scared and innocent, (you can tell if you start a new game) but the more time he spends in that place, the more perverted the things gets!

That's the theory
 

Voryen

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Gameplay for this game is unbelievably bad sometimes. The need for a guide and the lack of guidance for getting events is frustrating.

Why do I have restart my progress and go to older saves if the progression system bugs rather than resetting my progression and triggering the requirements?
Why are some characters require # of Progression and some just 1 less to activate scenes?
Why can't there be a map displaying possible events?

And I speak as someone who has made games myself (SFW). I think content wise, this game is great but the gameplay is so horrendous at times it's not worth it. The above is frustrating to figure out even with cheats.

It took me a thirty minutes to find out Mae requires you to say no to get the horse bath and an hour to find out Emi is bugged if you don't see her after the first request to see her at 1PM permanently. You need to go to another save.

Game is in a sad state code-wise. Just too many bugs and in terms of gameplay design, it's really bad user experience.
I love the art, story, and vision but it's gotten to a point there's more time spent figuring out how the game works and what it is than playing the game.
 
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