Yeah I agree. Because of this we do have some difficulties with saying is it real or not like with recent pic of Dandon.Ripping it off is the harsher way to say that the AI "learning the information it was given by the user". I see no reason to disagree
Collection Pinup Dandonfuga Collection [2025-09-13] [Dandonfuga]
which site is that? i tried aiornot.com but doesn't look like yours
Hive moderation. Aiornot I used too, and well it more divisive with her art it was like 50/50 (I checked 5 or 6 works, so it's pretty small number).
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You really can't trust AI image detectors. How they're built will always make them lag way behind the latest generation models. So in order to perform well, they throw many false positives. Additionally, they can easily be tricked by adding an overlay of noise which subtly alters the image.
The only evidence that guarantees an image is AI generated is if there is EXIF data with the generation parameters (A1111, Comfyui, etc) but that is removed by exporting through photoshop, or if a watermark was seeded into the latent noise (but I haven't seen it snuck into models yet).
You can train a model to produce step by step progress images (since those have been included in always every batch), using similar techniques to how they trained "Clothing +/- Adjuster 衣物增/减 LoRA". But cleaning up the artifacts and creating a timelapse / PSD with it seems like too much work if Dandon already has the skills.
To be fair, most legal experts seem to think this is going to fall into "ripping it off" in terms of copyright law, once any of those cases make their way through the courts. Hence most of the established companies keeping their machine learning art-gen models private (e.g. Microsoft, Google) and Steam banning games with machine learning art assets. It's unlikely for the courts to count machine learning as enough of a creative departure to not be in violation of fair use, as there is already a legal distinction between using an image as reference and blatantly violating copyrighted material (and a whole lot of grifters are using it for the latter).Ripping it off is the harsher way to say that the AI "learning the information it was given by the user". I see no reason to disagree
Not stating my own opinion, just giving my best understanding of how the legal experts are looking at it.
EDIT to not double post: Also, yeah, "AI detectors" throw off shitloads of false positives. Plus you get idiots like that professor in Texas who asked Chat GPT to tell him if his students' papers were written by it, and it predictably "lied" and said they all were written by it. Not that lying is really an accurate term, given that even a 3-year-old has a better understanding of object permanence and the difference between fact and fiction...
Yeah, I get you. That's why I was sceptic with those detectors I didn't mention that but that was my intention. That's why I think Dandon if used AI it's for the either background or to play with it and she might liked some results but reworked it fully for her own.
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Let's just wait for the next artwork preview to be released: we're getting near the end of the month so it's likely coming out in a few days.
We shall see soon enough: for now, let's just say that this Bubble looks a bit... odd.
We shall see soon enough: for now, let's just say that this Bubble looks a bit... odd.
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After taking several looks I don't think it is out of the question Dandon might be trying something new.
It will be very hard for me to like her works if she starts using AI.
Same reason I ignore auto-tunes music. It feels like cheating and not using your natural talents that you earned from hard work and practice.
Artists that take the AI route will eventual end up being lazy and forget how to draw and render.
Same reason I ignore auto-tunes music. It feels like cheating and not using your natural talents that you earned from hard work and practice.
Artists that take the AI route will eventual end up being lazy and forget how to draw and render.
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Like I say before, as artists continue to use this unsustainable system. Their passion decreases and it mostly a business to them. As such, they will take advantage of anything that will make the process much more quicker to maintain this system. Even if it ruining their own reputation of why people supported them in the first place. You won't notices it at the begin, but you will noticing it long term.
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On one hand, cease any activity on the thread might be good (unwatch, mute, etc) so that discussions are kept on the minimum (not like that many arguments here either, aside from the AI debate here)
On the other, it's just her trying a new style -- not the first time she ever did this. Now that reality is becoming virtual and the line is very blurry, we won't know for sure if Dandon really draws that way or AI fulfilling Dandon's prompts and she does the finishing touches until there's a video detailing that or something
On yet another hand, there'd be a flock of new people admiring the AI assisted art despite many of us are against it and wanted to share Dandon's AI assisted art
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What can I say? It is what it is. Dandon might be the only one, but artists come and go from relevancy anyway
On the other, it's just her trying a new style -- not the first time she ever did this. Now that reality is becoming virtual and the line is very blurry, we won't know for sure if Dandon really draws that way or AI fulfilling Dandon's prompts and she does the finishing touches until there's a video detailing that or something
On yet another hand, there'd be a flock of new people admiring the AI assisted art despite many of us are against it and wanted to share Dandon's AI assisted art
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What can I say? It is what it is. Dandon might be the only one, but artists come and go from relevancy anyway
I was first in shock to see dandon using ai ( let's be real , it's ai . An artist's style can't change THAT fast ) but now i think of it , i see it as a fairly good reason. I have stumbled across several talented artists, all of which suffering from mental health problems.
Long story short, i think it's better for artist to use assistant under pressure rather than just disappearing for a year and do cosplay ( im looking at you , logan cure )
Long story short, i think it's better for artist to use assistant under pressure rather than just disappearing for a year and do cosplay ( im looking at you , logan cure )
But hey . I think she posts a " drawing process" video showing a time lapse of her drawing , right ? We just wait abd see
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Just checked her Deviantart and Twitter...
This one do be takin' the spotlight for her, for better or for worse
This one do be takin' the spotlight for her, for better or for worse
CourierNPC
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Yeah
People started getting disappointed and feel betrayed and someone told Dandon that this better be the first and the last artwork that uses "AI"
She could solve by just showing how she's done it tbf. I'm sure it's not AI and I can't even say does it look like it or not, but Dandon need to proove it I guess.
Overall I wanna say thanks to those people who thought that ripping of someonse art to teach some neural network to creat "art" is a great idea, now if you do something that do might look like AI are (although it is genuine) people will destroy this author.
Overall I wanna say thanks to those people who thought that ripping of someonse art to teach some neural network to creat "art" is a great idea, now if you do something that do might look like AI are (although it is genuine) people will destroy this author.
and they had every right to do so since they are the ones who pay and actively support her. Hagrane the fact is that once trust is broken, it can't be mended. I'm slightly annoyed by dandon reusing assets like she's fromsoftware and i don't complain about it because I'm not a supporter, but if i did, I'd tear her a new one.