VN Dark Dimensions: A Spiritual Successor - Pre-Production Discussion

mare222

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Oh yeah, I call that the Butch Bullshit Retcon because according to him all the "human ghosts" are are in fact just interdimensional monsters with eighth-grader syndrome, not the spirits of humans who passed on and became ghosts be they benevolent or malignant.

I'd say the only thing missing are the eyepatches, but Youngblood covered that base when he wanted to be a pirate due to misunderstanding the concept of Ember's pirate radio scheme.
does that also explain embers pirate outfit?
 

Knight

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Oh yeah, I call that the Butch Bullshit Retcon because according to him all the "human ghosts" are are in fact just interdimensional monsters with eighth-grader syndrome, not the spirits of humans who passed on and became ghosts be they benevolent or malignant.

I'd say the only thing missing are the eyepatches, but Youngblood covered that base when he wanted to be a pirate due to misunderstanding the concept of Ember's pirate radio scheme.
This.
I don't get why he couldn't just stick to his guns, even as a kid it was obvious to me that they were people who died tragic deaths from which they weren't able to move on. Most of the ghosts made overt cultural references to their time alive and some even had flashacks of them alive (like Desiree), Poindexter was straight out of the 50's, Desiree is a ancient Arabian harem girl, Ember was from the 70's, and so on.

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There is nothing wrong with SOME ghosts being ancient eldritch monsters or gods but there should be a clear separation. I was disappointed Danny never tried to help the ghosts find peace so they could move on, they almost did it with the ghost dog but that never went anywhere; many of ghosts had clear motivations around what kept them as ghosts, Ember never felt acknowledged, Desiree never found love, Kidd never had a childhood, and so on.
 

gemini20xx

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I actually agree with most of these, except for Sidney, Skulker and Youngblood.

Sidney in my mind died from bullying gone wrong, most likely went over a railing and landed neck first on the stairs breaking it. It was a graduation requirement to torment him, after all. Skulker and Youngblood I'm going with being manifestations - the hunt and childhood respectively.

I also see everone's favourite ghost here being crushed by a falling shipping container... the ultimate box!
 

Knight

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I actually agree with most of these, except for Sidney, Skulker and Youngblood.

Sidney in my mind died from bullying gone wrong, most likely went over a railing and landed neck first on the stairs breaking it. It was a graduation requirement to torment him, after all. Skulker and Youngblood I'm going with being manifestations - the hunt and childhood respectively.

I also see everone's favourite ghost here being crushed by a falling shipping container... the ultimate box!
Counter point, ghosts powers manifest based off of their social malfunction, what they are is given away by how they act. For example Embers hair and fire grows bigger and stronger the more people call out her name. She isn't manifesting some aspect of humanity, her motivations are deeply personal and self centered.

Skulker is a tiny man inside a big suit, combine that with his desire to hunt and it's clear he's a man trying to compensate for personal insecurities through the bravado of trapping and killing powerful beings. If he was just a hunter without the tiny man with insecurities bit I could agree with you but he is shown to be petty and thin skinned, something a manifestation of the hunt wouldn't be.

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I can get behind Youngblood though, he just wants to play out a childhood fantasy and isn't vindictive so I can see it from your point of view even though I still think he is a dead kid.

A manifestation would be the embodiment of some base collective desire of a subsection of mankind, something like greed, anger, or even a thirst for knowledge. It wouldn't take things personally but simply be a physical embodiment of a concept.
Clockwork is a good example, he doesn't have a personal vendeta or is trying to compensate for something, he's a time-lord and all his motivations are around that.

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Ratnedalu

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Counter point, ghosts powers manifest based off of their social malfunction, what they are is given away by how they act. For example Embers hair and fire grows bigger and stronger the more people call out her name. She isn't manifesting some aspect of humanity, her motivations are deeply personal and self centered.

Skulker is a tiny man inside a big suit, combine that with his desire to hunt and it's clear he's a man trying to compensate for personal insecurities through the bravado of trapping and killing powerful beings. If he was just a hunter without the tiny man with insecurities bit I could agree with you but he is shown to be petty and thin skinned, something a manifestation of the hunt wouldn't be.

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I can get behind Youngblood though, he just wants to play out a childhood fantasy and isn't vindictive so I can see it from your point of view even though I still think he is a dead kid.

A manifestation would be the embodiment of some base collective desire of a subsection of mankind, something like greed, anger, or even a thirst for knowledge. It wouldn't take things personally but simply be a physical embodiment of a concept.
Clockwork is a good example, he doesn't have a personal vendeta or is trying to compensate for something, he's a time-lord and all his motivations are around that.

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Which is kinda what the wiki said-- Undergrowth, Nocturne, Clockwork-- all the big, inhuman ones are manifestations, whereas the human-backstoried ones are human. I, personally, also feel like Youngblood could go either way.
 

Morah SDG

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I actually agree with most of these, except for Sidney, Skulker and Youngblood.

Sidney in my mind died from bullying gone wrong, most likely went over a railing and landed neck first on the stairs breaking it. It was a graduation requirement to torment him, after all. Skulker and Youngblood I'm going with being manifestations - the hunt and childhood respectively.

I also see everone's favourite ghost here being crushed by a falling shipping container... the ultimate box!
My pitch is that Sidney was shoved in a locker over a holiday weekend, and that Skulker and Youngblood were also people, but I don’t wanna spoil what I plan for their origins.