VN Ren'Py DeadMoon Survival [v0.9.1] [Hot Tomato]

[YogSothoth1982]

When this game was initially published on F95 in October 2021 it was a poor clone of "Kindread: The Redburns" with a disgusting girly MC in blue panties from anime, long boring dialogs and a strange performace bug (it's still in the game). The game was going to become another ordinary vanilla VN like 99% on this site.

Then the dev introduced mating monsters and ability of girls to escape after that (instead of bad ends). It made the game interesting in two ways. Firstly, it's the apocalyptic environment. It was not just a background anymore. How did the infection appear? Who are these monsters? Why are they using women? Do they have breeding nests? So many interesting things to investigate. Secondly, it's relationships in the family after these "incidents". How will they settle all this? Will girls use their ability to not be eaten intentionally (for example, to distract monsters and save MC in some cases)?

The questions are fine, but in my case, since I haven't seen any of those scenes, nor will I see any of the future ones (if there are any), I'm pretty sure that the part where we have to check how those "incidents" affect the relationship with the MC will not exist because of the absence of such "incidents"

Personally, I like the game because of how it exposes the relationship between the MC, his mother and his sister and how it evolves little by little. I haven't seen the zombie scenes, nor will I see them, and I certainly don't give them much importance (my only interest is to prevent them from happening, since preventing rapes from happening is, for my particular tastes, a plus to the game)

 

[punisher2099]

I glad the monster sex scenes are remaining in the "fan" version at the very least. This game is unique compared to the majority of the games out there. It's one of the things that makes it great. Don't let the haters stop you from make the game you want. Especially since they haters can avoid the scenes they don't want to see. This is just a case of people being people and complaining as usual.

LOL the dev is making the game the way they want. Maybe search the thread for the dev's patron post.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I glad the monster sex scenes are remaining in the "fan" version at the very least. This game is unique compared to the majority of the games out there. It's one of the things that makes it great. Don't let the haters stop you from make the game you want. Especially since they haters can avoid the scenes they don't want to see. This is just a case of people being people and complaining as usual.

Actually if we are to believe what the developer has said, he has decided to remove those scenes because he saw that people were focusing more on commenting on them than on the actual plot of the game (and after checking, those who commented on the scenes the most are the ones who liked them the most). According to what the Dev said, the scenes don't affect to the develop of the relationship between the MC and their family, they are something secondary in the game. So, removing them doesn't affect to the plot of the game, that remains the same. They are some interesting addition, but without real impact (only the bad endings).

Right now you are doing the same thing to the Dev for which you complain so much on other occasions (requiring that the game be the way you want it and not the way the Dev wants it to be). I suppose that following the reasoning, what you should do is be happy because the Dev has decided to make the game he wants and he has seen that removing that content helps people focus on the story he wants to tell.

For my part, although it's content that I don't see, I found it interesting, although not fundamental, that it existed in the game due to my particular tastes.

 

[TerseRito]

I realized that you present yourself as a true fan, you are with the developer, whatever he does. Okay.
Well, answer the simple question that I wrote, what did the NTR scene with Tony, Heidy and Elisabeth give to the plot and character development, especially the MC, how did he grow from this? My answer: Nothing, absolutely nothing. And yours ? So the next thing is to remove all NTR scenes and future ones of course? Or will we wait for the developer to say about it and then you will say it too?
And please don't talk like a chatbot, "dev wants", "all of you confirm the developer", dev..etc.

Q.E.D. Even true fans can't answer uncomfortable questions. In general, it is expected. Double standards work perfectly. It looks like if you answer correctly, as it is, you will be damned and exiled from the vanilla elite of the game. Or have you just not downloaded new answers to uncomfortable questions?
Well, the game is great, but the community .. even no need to say, everything is clear.

 

[MoneyMan181]

If dev visits this thread: Please just make whatever you want. No pandering, no justifications, just create the story and game you want to make. You do not have to answer to any of these crybabies whining about what is or isn't in the game. You very obviously have the talent to make something fantastic and special. Just don't lose motivation because of this silly situation. I would support you if I could, and that's not something I can say about many creators on this site. I really hope you finish this project and fulfill all your goals for it, whatever they may be.

Good luck and good work so far, dev. Have more confidence in yourself and your work. As a wise man once said:
Let him cook.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I realized that you present yourself as a true fan, you are with the developer, whatever he does. Okay.
Well, answer the simple question that I wrote, what did the NTR scene with Tony, Heidy and Elisabeth give to the plot and character development, especially the MC, how did he grow from this? My answer: Nothing, absolutely nothing. And yours ? So the next thing is to remove all NTR scenes and future ones of course? Or will we wait for the developer to say about it and then you will say it too?

I guess you're talking about the scenes that the MC's mother imagines on a couple of occasions. I haven't seen them, but since there aren't any more scenes apart of the zombie ones, they must be those.

I suppose the contribution is to include some sex scene in the game, without really contributing anything to the plot. Is it necessary to remove them? I don't think so, they shouldn't bother anyone as they are avoidable (apart from being either a memory or imagination at work). In any case, no one has focused the thread's conversation on those scenes, which actually have nothing to do with NTR.

 

[hzjujk]

Does the scene with the rape by the zombies make sense? The question of whether these scenarios play a role for the main protagonists or not is only important if this kind of reproduction will play a role in the story. If the developer implements the idea for a zombie evolution into his story in a believable way, then these rape scenes represent a real danger in the everyday life of the female heroes. And I was fine with my avatars avoiding these events.
But if he only included them to serve more fetishes, they should and can be dispensed with without problems.
As for the NTR scenes of Elisabeth. Well they are completely avoidable. Unlike other games, they are completely independent of my in-game decisions. Whether they make sense for the character development of the protagonists? Well, probably not, you could argue that they explain a bit of Elisabeth's perverse streak, but that's not a compelling argument. I think anyway that those who want these scenes banned rather have a problem with the fact that other players simply have more content in the game than they do.
And last but not least, this is a porn game and not a good night story and someone wants to make money with it. So the developer either cares about his story or his money. Sometimes they manage to combine both, but often not. And a developer who lets his supporters talk him into his story needs to be surprised when his own story becomes alien to him.

 

[TerseRito]

I guess you're talking about the scenes that the MC's mother imagines on a couple of occasions. I haven't seen them, but since there aren't any more scenes apart of the zombie ones, they must be those.

I suppose the contribution is to include some sex scene in the game, without really contributing anything to the plot. Is it necessary to remove them? I don't think so, they shouldn't bother anyone as they are avoidable (apart from being either a memory or imagination at work). In any case, no one has focused the thread's conversation on those scenes, which actually have nothing to do with NTR.

BlasKyau, I read your position on the already deleted scenes, that you were not against it, and you even liked to avoid them. I remember, but there is such a moment that the phrase - "the scene is completely avoidable" no longer works, all these scenes have been deleted. According to the author, the scenes do not make sense and do not adding anything to the story about MC, etc. And those deleted scenes and those left with NTR content are absolutely useless for the plot around the MC, everyone talked about it so often, including the author.

And a reasonable question, about those double standards that I mentioned, why hasn't this completely avoided scene been removed yet?

I don’t call for deleting everything in a row, that’s enough, they’ve already deleted more than necessary, I just don’t like it when people contradict themselves. Funny that these deleted scenes could been just an imagination/flashback one of the characters, and this useless "avoidable thing" could work, but who cares, right?
After all, they themselves opened this pandora's box, someday it will play with them, also.

Does the scene with the rape by the zombies make sense? The question of whether these scenarios play a role for the main protagonists or not is only important if this kind of reproduction will play a role in the story. If the developer implements the idea for a zombie evolution into his story in a believable way, then these rape scenes represent a real danger in the everyday life of the female heroes. And I was fine with my avatars avoiding these events.
But if he only included them to serve more fetishes, they should and can be dispensed with without problems.

This is exactly what happened, and one of the characters in the game told about them. This has already been written about above, the author built it into the plot, examples of dialogue were higher. And the so-called "fetishists" (I don't want to write Z-words so that the bots don't spam again), perceived this story as part of it, and therefore the author who wrote it in the story, too. And I agree with them, it was there.
About "avoidable" part, I wrote above.

I think anyway that those who want these scenes banned rather have a problem with the fact that other players simply have more content in the game than they do.

Here I agree and I think that this is one of the hidden reasons. True, it worked exactly the opposite, the vanilla trend exceeded any others many times over. Although it's funny how much hate just a couple of "completely avoidable" scenes can cause.

And about the last paragraph. There is no other way to explain how in 2 days for no reason the game turned upside down so much. Where did the "content-shamers" suddenly appear in such numbers on the forum. And the author, who yesterday so happily responded to comments about his game, has changed so dramatically. A riddle without an answer.

And thanks for you both for trying to discuss something, seriously.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

BlasKyau, I read your position on the already deleted scenes, that you were not against it, and you even liked to avoid them. I remember, but there is such a moment that the phrase - "the scene is completely avoidable" no longer works, all these scenes have been deleted. According to the author, the scenes do not make sense and do not adding anything to the story about MC, etc. And those deleted scenes and those left with NTR content are absolutely useless for the plot around the MC, everyone talked about it so often, including the author.

And a reasonable question, about those double standards that I mentioned, why hasn't this completely avoided scene been removed yet?

I don’t call for deleting everything in a row, that’s enough, they’ve already deleted more than necessary, I just don’t like it when people contradict themselves. Funny that these deleted scenes could been just an imagination/flashback one of the characters, and this useless "avoidable thing" could work, but who cares, right?
After all, they themselves opened this pandora's box, someday it will play with them, also.

I actually wouldn't have removed anything from the game, it was fine the way it was in my opinion.

If you ask me why delete some and not others, well I don't have the answer beyond what the Dev said: that he wanted people to stop arguing about the zombie's scenes. Is it reason enough to remove them? I suppose that for him yes, but I don't see it so clearly. And if future NTR scenes become the topic of conversation, will he also remove them? If the content is avoidable, and on top of that has warnings to avoid reaching it by mistake, I don't really see the point of removing it.

On the other hand, I think that, being a post apocalyptic porn game with zombies, they have enough logic to exist, I mean, it's a porn game, I would perfectly understand avoiding including them if he wanted to make a Resident Evil, but it's not the case.

In any case, according to the Dev, the existence or non-existence of this scenes doesn't affect the relationship between the MC and his family. But I guess that changing the zombies from disturbed perpetually horny rapists to normal brain-eating zombies will have some impact on the main plot of the game.

 

[punisher2099]

I'm just going to leave this here so people can see the devs own words. Hell, it should be in the op this was his choice alone.

From Patreon post:
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Hello everyone. I feel like I need to really be honest with you after what I said in the previous posts. When I look at the comments and reactions, I think I probably wasn't clear enough about the future of the game and about the main idea of the monster sex scenes. At first, these scenes were made to be an explanation for future plot related events in the game and I also wanted to shock the players and have more impactful consequences than just death, after getting caught by the zombies. I now realised that they were honestly a huge mistake on my part. The plot point I'm referring to, can be explained in many different ways that don't involve violent zombie sex, that could potentially get my game banned from this platform. The current scenes that didn't result in game over barely changed (the ones with Elisabeth) barely impacted the plot, only a few dialogue lines, there's barely any unique scenes to this route that follow how she is dealing with the situation. So yeah, I've concluded they don't add anything meaningful to the plot. Many of you though the game would focus on the zombie scenes when, in fact, they were gonna become even more rare the further we got into the story and are already a minority of the scenes. The thing is, I'm tired of them. They don't truly add anything to the plot I have planned and have been reduce to a mere fetish. You could say I now have some kind of toxic relationship with them. I could keep making them but I would be butchering my characters for no reason. For example, look at a future where the MC is strong enough to protect the ones he loves but because I need to do the update quota of zombie scenes, I end up making an unbelievable situation by that point if the story, where the characters behave nonsensically and the plot goes off the rails.
These scenes were never the core of my story, and from now on, forcing myself to make more of them to please you would just end up making the quality of the game worse. I don't want to abandon this project and I don't want to give myself reasons to do so, by working against my will on something I don't want to do. Also as you maybe have realised in the latest update, this world is much bigger than you thought, and if I wanna keep the quality of the story telling consistent and advance the plot, I can't be making a million optional scenes just for one fetish. In summary, I'm burned out with the zombie scenes and I don't wanna make more of those and potential impact the future of the story I want to tell you. I will revisit the current update again and properly remove the scenes once and for all, no "fan made" patches or mods. It's a really hard decision on my part considering how many of you voted "yes" in the poll to have them but I need to be honest with you and myself, and fix my mistakes. I say it very clearly now, don't expect more of those scenes in the future and you shouldn't financially support the game if you are here mainly because of them. I'm really sorry, but this decision is now final, I paused the pledges of this month as you saw and keep messaging me if you want a refund for the previous month. It's the least I can do. I apologise if you think your money was wasted in the past but I hope you at least enjoyed the story I made and poured all my heart into, and I'm gonna keep going at it as best as I can!
Have a good week and stay tuned.
Hot Tomato"

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I'm just going to leave this here so people can see the devs own words. Hell, it should be in the op this was his choice alone.

Ok, this post clarifies the Developer's point of view quite a bit, it would be nice if it was included in the first post of the thread so everyone could read it and understand why he really changed the game.

In my opinion, if he doesn't want to do those kinds of scenes, it's best that he doesn't do them, because otherwise, he will surely end up abandoning the game.

 

[RedPillBlues]

I'm just going to leave this here so people can see the devs own words. Hell, it should be in the op this was his choice alone.

He really have should of just posted this instead of trying to justify it with the poll. I feel like a lot of this hate could have been avoided.

 

[Light_Saviour201]

I did like the monster scenes as a gameover type of thing but it seems now like the minority and cry babys are the people who supported those things lol. I will keep supporting the game because I did like the main focus although sometimes I consider the mc to be very weak and pathetic.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I did like the monster scenes as a gameover type of thing but it seems now like the minority and cry babys are the people who supported those things lol. I will keep supporting the game because I did like the main focus although sometimes I consider the mc to be very weak and pathetic.

I'm just going to leave this here so people can see the devs own words. Hell, it should be in the op this was his choice alone.

From Patreon post:
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Hello everyone. I feel like I need to really be honest with you after what I said in the previous posts. When I look at the comments and reactions, I think I probably wasn't clear enough about the future of the game and about the main idea of the monster sex scenes. At first, these scenes were made to be an explanation for future plot related events in the game and I also wanted to shock the players and have more impactful consequences than just death, after getting caught by the zombies. I now realised that they were honestly a huge mistake on my part. The plot point I'm referring to, can be explained in many different ways that don't involve violent zombie sex, that could potentially get my game banned from this platform. The current scenes that didn't result in game over barely changed (the ones with Elisabeth) barely impacted the plot, only a few dialogue lines, there's barely any unique scenes to this route that follow how she is dealing with the situation. So yeah, I've concluded they don't add anything meaningful to the plot. Many of you though the game would focus on the zombie scenes when, in fact, they were gonna become even more rare the further we got into the story and are already a minority of the scenes. The thing is, I'm tired of them. They don't truly add anything to the plot I have planned and have been reduce to a mere fetish. You could say I now have some kind of toxic relationship with them. I could keep making them but I would be butchering my characters for no reason. For example, look at a future where the MC is strong enough to protect the ones he loves but because I need to do the update quota of zombie scenes, I end up making an unbelievable situation by that point if the story, where the characters behave nonsensically and the plot goes off the rails.
These scenes were never the core of my story, and from now on, forcing myself to make more of them to please you would just end up making the quality of the game worse. I don't want to abandon this project and I don't want to give myself reasons to do so, by working against my will on something I don't want to do. Also as you maybe have realised in the latest update, this world is much bigger than you thought, and if I wanna keep the quality of the story telling consistent and advance the plot, I can't be making a million optional scenes just for one fetish. In summary, I'm burned out with the zombie scenes and I don't wanna make more of those and potential impact the future of the story I want to tell you. I will revisit the current update again and properly remove the scenes once and for all, no "fan made" patches or mods. It's a really hard decision on my part considering how many of you voted "yes" in the poll to have them but I need to be honest with you and myself, and fix my mistakes. I say it very clearly now, don't expect more of those scenes in the future and you shouldn't financially support the game if you are here mainly because of them. I'm really sorry, but this decision is now final, I paused the pledges of this month as you saw and keep messaging me if you want a refund for the previous month. It's the least I can do. I apologise if you think your money was wasted in the past but I hope you at least enjoyed the story I made and poured all my heart into, and I'm gonna keep going at it as best as I can!
Have a good week and stay tuned.
Hot Tomato"

I suppose that if you support the game you will have already read it, but since it's also in the thread I will pass it to you, so that you can review it.

 

[Arheme]

I liked this game alot, too bad he changed to the new renpy version, now i'm unable to play the latest version.
The dream from "mom" in the office is one of the hottest scene's i ever saw in a game ,[ and i played a lot]
Thanks DEV for this supergreat game go on and i hope that i can continu playing in the near future.

 

[possum1]

fkin MC giving a massage to juliet scene was so damn long i almost fell asleep ngl lol

 

[johnnyxxxv]

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Sorry for the inconveniance guys, everything is said in this post. Please be respectful in the comments.

If I may, while I do understand your reasoning, and feel is valid, I think the best choice would be to have the option to disable them, like with a prompt at the start of the game. This way, those that want them will get them, those that don't, won't. If people still complain after that, then likely nothing will satisfy them. Ultimately, it's your game and your choice to make, but I wanted to give my two cents for what it's worth.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

If I may, while I do understand your reasoning, and feel is valid, I think the best choice would be to have the option to disable them, like with a prompt at the start of the game. This way, those that want them will get them, those that don't, won't. If people still complain after that, then likely nothing will satisfy them. Ultimately, it's your game and your choice to make, but I wanted to give my two cents for what it's worth.

Actually, if you read one of his patreon post (it appears in the answer I quoted, just go there), it's the developer who doesn't want those scenes in his game.

I'm just going to leave this here so people can see the devs own words. Hell, it should be in the op this was his choice alone.

 

[johnnyxxxv]

Actually, if you read one of his patreon post (it appears in the answer I quoted, just go there), it's the developer who doesn't want those scenes in his game.

Yeah, I missed that part, so I misunderstood. If they don't belong in the game the dev wants to make, then personally I don't mind if they're gone.

 

[Soggy Bread]

Welp I really loved this game for monster route with no bad ends but a greater consequence. To my knowledge its the only game that did incest + monster good.

ig dev is shooting himself in the foot with removing the monster scenes since more than 50% of the poll favored monster scenes.

BUT its actually good for the dev if he doesn't like making the scenes, its his game, in the long run it'll just be another incest apocalypse game.

In the end respect for the dev for taking a loss in revenue to tell a story the way he wants.

We'll have to cope for a game with similar theme now