VN Ren'Py Defending Lydia Collier [v0.17 Beta 1.6] [White Phantom Games]

[linkinn]

I still can't wrap my head around the decision of making Tiffany the town bicycle as part of her backstory and now looks like its tripling down on that... Completely ruined her character for me and since she was my favorite I kinda lost any hype I had for the game.

WhitePhantom loves this kind of content nowadays, same with the tapes.

He drank too much soy milk or he's just in denial in the last year or so, who knows.

 

[NebulousShooter]

WhitePhantom loves this kind of content nowadays, same with the tapes.

He drank too much soy milk or he's just in denial in the last year or so, who knows.

The thing is his game already is chock full of depraved characters, so I can't follow the logic on making her the same. She went from netori, to incest obsessed with her mom, to gangbang slut fucking strangers in bars and proud of it, in the span of a few updates. Judging from that text I posted seem to be even more stories about her past, as if that wasn't enough and who the hell knows where the bottom choice will lead to, sharing route, or just happens in the background and she tells you all about it
Now she is almost on Helena's level.

If this was planned for her from the start, why the fuck didn't he add that info before the player starts her route, so you know to avoid her, instead of investing 2 years into her to end out in disappointment with this 'twist'?

I sound like a broken record, DPC seems to be one of the only mfers that knows how to make promiscuous characters still liked by vanilla players. He gives all the info from the start about what type of LI there are, doesn't surprise you with their disgusting backstories and personalities 20 updates in, so if you go for them its on the player alone.

AND most importantly doesn't fucking rub it in your face all that unsavory info about her previous, or ongoing sex life in autistic detail.

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

I dont think that people who complain about optional (possible) path for secondary character appearing on one of 3 main routes are qualified on the subject of someone drinking soy milk.

 

[linkinn]

Did anyone hear a fly? She's so small I barely heard her. For such a small creature she stinks too, weird.

 

[gelu123]

The thing is his game already is chock full of depraved characters, so I can't follow the logic on making her the same. She went from netori, to incest obsessed with her mom, to gangbang slut fucking strangers in bars and proud of it, in the span of a few updates. Judging from that text I posted seem to be even more stories about her past, as if that wasn't enough and who the hell knows where the bottom choice will lead to, sharing route, or just happens in the background and she tells you all about it
Now she is almost on Helena's level.

If this was planned for her from the start, why the fuck didn't he add that info before the player starts her route, so you know to avoid her, instead of investing 2 years into her to end out in disappointment with this 'twist'?

I sound like a broken record, DPC seems to be one of the only mfers that knows how to make promiscuous characters still liked by vanilla players. He gives all the info from the start about what type of LI there are, doesn't surprise you with their disgusting backstories and personalities 20 updates in, so if you go for them its on the player alone.

AND most importantly doesn't fucking rub it in your face all that unsavory info about her previous, or ongoing sex life in autistic detail.

Stop saying stupid shit , its 100% avoidable , the game lets you pick her choices , its your fault for her becoming a gangbang slut cause you wanted to know more about her sexual adventures and are willing to share her with your friends . WHICH isnt BAD AT ALL! they is no other female character to be used in group content . Let DPC do his thing , he wants all types of fetishes for all types of fans. if you arent into that particular fetish guess what? you can either pick other choices or other girls , like with Steph, you can make her your GF , your Bimboslut and you can also cheat on her.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Stop saying stupid shit , its 100% avoidable , the game lets you pick her choices , its your fault for her becoming a gangbang slut cause you wanted to know more about her sexual adventures and are willing to share her with your friends . WHICH isnt BAD AT ALL! they is no other female character to be used in group content . Let DPC do his thing , he wants all types of fetishes for all types of fans. if you arent into that particular fetish guess what? you can either pick other choices or other girls , like with Steph, you can make her your GF , your Bimboslut and you can also cheat on her.

how is it my fault for her having that backstory? Its canon, she already did it and is proud of it


How is it the players fault that the route is sold as netori when you meet her, then it becomes cheating/incest and then she is the town's cum dump? The player gets tricked because he has zero idea what type of person she is. WP could have had one of her friends mention it 'as a joke' and have her play coy and the MC pick up on that. That way you give players a hint that something unsavory is coming if you are going her route and should avoid her.
Instead you are lead on for multiple updates thinking her route is one thing and get shit on with that info...

I have no idea if all cuck and cuck adjacent content enjoyers are just slow, or they have no problem being disingenuous all the time.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

The thing is his game already is chock full of depraved characters, so I can't follow the logic on making her the same. She went from netori, to incest obsessed with her mom, to gangbang slut fucking strangers in bars and proud of it, in the span of a few updates. Judging from that text I posted seem to be even more stories about her past, as if that wasn't enough and who the hell knows where the bottom choice will lead to, sharing route, or just happens in the background and she tells you all about it
Now she is almost on Helena's level.

If this was planned for her from the start, why the fuck didn't he add that info before the player starts her route, so you know to avoid her, instead of investing 2 years into her to end out in disappointment with this 'twist'?

I sound like a broken record, DPC seems to be one of the only mfers that knows how to make promiscuous characters still liked by vanilla players. He gives all the info from the start about what type of LI there are, doesn't surprise you with their disgusting backstories and personalities 20 updates in, so if you go for them its on the player alone.

AND most importantly doesn't fucking rub it in your face all that unsavory info about her previous, or ongoing sex life in autistic detail.

I agree with you brother I've never seen the tape and I never been on this girl's route but if it's true you're 100% correct

you think you know everything about your favorite character's past and then to have this sprung on you out of nowhere

it's like being punched in the stomach it's unfair

 

[AKONER]

AAndroid ?

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

how is it my fault for her having that backstory? Its canon, she already did it and is proud of it


How is it the players fault that the route is sold as netori when you meet her, then it becomes cheating/incest and then she is the town's cum dump? The player gets tricked because he has zero idea what type of person she is. WP could have had one of her friends mention it 'as a joke' and have her play coy and the MC pick up on that. That way you give players a hint that something unsavory is coming if you are going her route and should avoid her.
Instead you are lead on for multiple updates thinking her route is one thing and get shit on with that info...

I have no idea if all cuck and cuck adjacent content enjoyers are just slow, or they have no problem being disingenuous all the time.

exactly saying it's the player's fault for wanting to get to know her

it's ridiculous if you're on her route and you want to be with her of course you want to know her

and I'm assuming you get this information after investing time in a route

knowing or not knowing somebody's backstory is not the same as avoidable content

 

[c3p0]

how is it my fault for her having that backstory? Its canon, she already did it and is proud of it


How is it the players fault that the route is sold as netori when you meet her, then it becomes cheating/incest and then she is the town's cum dump? The player gets tricked because he has zero idea what type of person she is. WP could have had one of her friends mention it 'as a joke' and have her play coy and the MC pick up on that. That way you give players a hint that something unsavory is coming if you are going her route and should avoid her.
Instead you are lead on for multiple updates thinking her route is one thing and get shit on with that info...

Ah, I see. Your right, the people I first meet the first time need to answer truthfully my questionary before I want to have anything with them.

I have no idea if all cuck and cuck adjacent content enjoyers are just slow, or they have no problem being disingenuous all the time.

You can stick that where the sun don't shine. If you can only resort to this kind of insult, then we all know that your "arguments" are lacking.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Ah, I see. Your right, the people I first meet the first time need to answer truthfully my questionary before I want to have anything with them.

You can stick that where the sun don't shine. If you can only resort to this kind of insult, then we all know that your "arguments" are lacking.

if you were the Town Bicycle or if you had a past like that then the person your with should know it as soon as possible

because it's not the same as being a virgin or not being a virgin

a pass like that is very extreme and the person should know it so they can decide if they want to be with you or not

instead of them getting attached to you and finding out later on they feel like they've been blindsided
but he was saying that the game brought that on out of nowhere with no warning from the game

and he only find out after he got attached to the character

I mean I have a reading disability and I understood what he was saying

 

[NebulousShooter]

Ah, I see. Your right, the people I first meet the first time need to answer truthfully my questionary before I want to have anything with them.

Show the info to the player so he can make an educated choice if he invests 20 updates romancing a character. Keep the MC in the dark, if that is important for the story(in this case it has fuck all to do with anything), but not the player.

Lets make an exercise, if her route would have ended in surprise NTR, would you still use the same lame excuse about her not being truthful being done for immersion purpose, or would admit that the dev fucked people over?

You can stick that where the sun don't shine. If you can only resort to this kind of insult, then we all know that your "arguments" are lacking.

Both people defending this above you, that coincidently are fans of the type of content I mentioned, said its optional and avoidable...about a backstory aka canon event

Pandora's box has been opened, if she confesses on murdering someone, you can't pretend in your save where you didn't ask her about it that this character you are romancing isn't a murderer.

But, its good you found an easy out of actually engaging with everything I posted, whats next, grammar? ...I am going to go with disingenuous for now.

 

[c3p0]

I mean I have a reading disability and I understood what he was saying

I know what he was saying.
My point is, sometimes you just don't know what a person is and so on until you find out later. Some games (AVN or not), even one from DPC, have decisions and situation where you either lose person A or B. You can't win every time as we aren't all James T. Kirk or a bank.

 

[NebulousShooter]

DPC, have decisions and situation where you either lose person A or B. You can't win every time as we aren't all James T. Kirk or a bank.

Ah, yeah, the AVN where everyone was fine with that outcome. Totally didn't bully the dev out of the site and made sure almost no one ever will try something like that again. Great example of why you should be ok with 'Twists' about LI after playing 3/4 of the game on their routes.

 

[c3p0]

Lets make an exercise, if her route would have ended in surprise NTR, would you still use the same lame excuse about her not being truthful being done for immersion purpose, or would admit that the dev fucked people over?

That is very much depending on the game style and theme.

If I would make a light harem game centered about the player (not the MC, not the story, but the one behind the keyboard), then I would most likely make a "met Claire, she like blow jobs, anal, ffm and toys - Do you want her?" approach.
If I try do to a heavy themed story centered about people their interactions and how they get hurt, get over it (or not) and so, then I woudn't annouce what each person is - Same as in a crimi you usually don't introduce the culprit as such, but a "normal" person and this usually also isn't written on the blurb of its cover.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

I know what he was saying.
My point is, sometimes you just don't know what a person is and so on until you find out later. Some games (AVN or not), even one from DPC, have decisions and situation where you either lose person A or B. You can't win every time as we aren't all James T. Kirk or a bank.

am not a smart guy in fact I'm pretty dumb but I know how it feels to get attached to a character

even though people may make fun I know how it feels to fall in love with a character

then to feel like the game unfairly blindsided you out of nowhere

and rip your heart out so for some people

it is unfair and it is a big deal

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

what backstory people are mentioning? with which info player is getting shat on kek, this is getting out of hand .

 

[dolfe67]

Ah, yeah, the AVN where everyone was fine with that outcome. Totally didn't bully the dev out of the site and made sure almost no one ever will try something like that again. Great example of why you should be ok with 'Twists' about LI after playing 3/4 of the game on their routes.

You kinda condone the bullying, and it's really not ok. If you're so emotionally damaged by a game, go touch some grass.

 

[dodgingnoir]

I think part of the issue is the game doesn't have the netorare/ntr/cuck tag or whatever the hell it is(It's getting hard to keep track).
Some people don't like it to the point where they feel cheated if the dev didn't advertise the game as having that fetish(or any other for that matter) from the get go and it's a valid point since not everyone enjoys licking other men's cum out of a vagina.
Regardless of which side of that particular fence you're on devs should advertise their games properly. It won't avoid all whining and bitching since that comes with putting out any kind of product, but it help avoid some of it.
Also if I offended anyone with my post I do apologize but please try to grow a pair.

 

[NebulousShooter]

You kinda condone the bullying, and it's really not ok.

How did you got to that conclusion?

I swear, regardless of how much you dumb it down and draw it in the sand for them, or how elaborate are your posts, some users will completely ignore it, make up an entirely different argument in their heads that you never made and argue that one just so they can say they got you.