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For those who are outside of the loop, I come from 4Chan and the Voldemort of forums which can't be mention, some people who work in the game in the past, from writers to artist, have left the game during these months.

Apparently the changes on Kylar, Robin, gameplay mechanics and change of tone (Whatever that means) made them step back in the collaboration of the game, with the main phrase being "DoL is not what used to be". Reasons varied and people who left aren't main developers, are collaborators but some of them work on the game since a couple of years or early development.

Don't shoot the messenger, just mention it because people don't talk about it here.
 

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For those who are outside of the loop, I come from 4Chan and the Voldemort of forums which can't be mention, some people who work in the game in the past, from writers to artist, have left the game during these months.

Apparently the changes on Kylar, Robin, gameplay mechanics and change of tone (Whatever that means) made them step back in the collaboration of the game, with the main phrase being "DoL is not what used to be". Reasons varied and people who left aren't main developers, are collaborators but some of them work on the game since a couple of years or early development.

Don't shoot the messenger, just mention it because people don't talk about it here.
Now I'm curious on what Robin was supposed to be from those folks' eyes.
'Cause I think of them as pretty much us but they're way too inexperienced.
 
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Now I'm curious on what Robin was supposed to be from those folks' eyes.
I think it wasn't just Robin but the whole cast of romantic partners, in Vrelnir words during early and mid development they where supposed to be the "light in the darkness" and a safe place for players and their traumas, (Which Whitney is none of that lmao) and now they are trauma on top of trauma.

Personally there is more mention during early and mid development that is more contradictory but I'm just here to see the progress, not playing the game since a year or so, just eating popcorn and expecting something :illuminati:
 
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I think it wasn't just Robin but the whole cast of romantic partners, in Vrelnir words during early and mid development they where supposed to be the "light in the darkness" and a safe place for players and their traumas, (Which Whitney is none of that lmao) and now they are trauma on top of trauma.

Personally there is more mention during early and mid development that is more contradictory but I'm just here to see the progress, not playing the game since a year or so, just eating popcorn and expecting something :illuminati:
As long as Robin can actually get on a track to a better life, IMO that itself can be seen as "light in the darkness" -- the trauma meter in the game for MC isn't exactly what I, the player, perceive as MC's misery.

Problem being, as far as the current progress of the game. Robin cannot. No matter what my MC do, and however powerful & wealthy he/she is. Poor Robin is just stuck with the shithole orphanage and his petty ice cream business forever and not making any real good life. That's where the real misery comes from. Too real-life, if I have to say.
 
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/r9k/?
some people who work in the game in the past, from writers to artist, have left the game during these months.
I guess it was too much to hope for that this game would get done without developer drama. In any case, that would explain why they are trying to have players spot the bugs in this release.
Apparently the changes on Kylar, Robin, gameplay mechanics and change of tone (Whatever that means) made them step back in the collaboration of the game, with the main phrase being "DoL is not what used to be".
What changes have there been to Kylar, Robin, or gameplay mechanics in the past year? If anything, precious little about those things has changed, at least until this update finally posts. ...Oh god, what about Kylar and Robin is in this update? I guess we will see what the drama is about soon enough.
 

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/r9k/?

I guess it was too much to hope for that this game would get done without developer drama. In any case, that would explain why they are trying to have players spot the bugs in this release.

What changes have there been to Kylar, Robin, or gameplay mechanics in the past year? If anything, precious little about those things has changed, at least until this update finally posts. ...Oh god, what about Kylar and Robin is in this update? I guess we will see what the drama is about soon enough.
So far, I haven't noticed any changes to Robin, but maybe I haven't played enough. Kylar seems mostly the same, too.
 

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For those who are outside of the loop, I come from 4Chan and the Voldemort of forums which can't be mention, some people who work in the game in the past, from writers to artist, have left the game during these months.

Apparently the changes on Kylar, Robin, gameplay mechanics and change of tone (Whatever that means) made them step back in the collaboration of the game, with the main phrase being "DoL is not what used to be". Reasons varied and people who left aren't main developers, are collaborators but some of them work on the game since a couple of years or early development.

Don't shoot the messenger, just mention it because people don't talk about it here.
Having played a lot of the newest update it sounds like a bunch of schizo rambling to be honest. There is a lot of belly aching about the game and how its not EXACTLY catering to their own personal fetish and its all really tiring. You cant look at a discussion of the game anywhere without a bunch of crying about how the player shouldnt have love interests and how they are RUINING the game for spending so much time on them. Then in the next post down they gnash their teeth about how they are wasting their time making ANOTHER skill instead of fleshing out the NPCs more. If any of it is true and that is a big if it will all boil down to that same situation of someone crying because their fetish didnt get top priority. The truth of the matter is porn games like this one with a single main dev and a lot of collaborators generally die in the same way. The collaborators/community piss off the main dev so much he fucking quits and the game dies. Looking at you free cities.

You cant cater to everyones fetish. It is an impossible task. It wont stop a bunch of entitled assholes from trying to dictate how a game should be their super special fetish simulator and how everyone else is WRONG for not liking what they do. When you have a whole team of people like that of course people are going to bet butthurt and leave.

But on the other hand the fact is if your getting your info from fucking 4chan of all places so its not likely to be very reliable anyway. It is the website that hosts /pol/ and its unhinged posting base that claims hitler did nothing wrong unironcally and the good old vaccine heart stopping microchip idiocy. Unless you have some direct from the horses mouth info about how its all crumbling down that isnt going to boil down to whining because they didnt devote an entire year of dev time to someones most favorite waifu its best to just not spread rumors.
 
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So far, I haven't noticed any changes to Robin, but maybe I haven't played enough. Kylar seems mostly the same, too.
And you've been playing around with the dev build, so you would know. Maybe the supposed drama is bogus, and nothing really is happening. There isn't much of a way for us to know. The rumored reason for devs dropping out does not make much sense without major changes happening (assuming that they're not), and the only sensible complaint to make about new game mechanic that I can see (assuming that we can just toggle pregnancy off) is that they are dumping an epic fuckton of code on top of a game that was already a mess of spaghetti. Even that does not seem like a reason to leave, unless they just really don't want to spend the next year doing the unglamorous work of cleaning up the mess. I could honestly hardly blame them for that.
 
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Yeah I'm not seeing what changes they're talking about with regards to characters. Only thing I can think of is they aren't happy that Bailey will go after Robin if they can't get the money from you.(Given the supposed robin's supposed to be a safe haven complaint) Though I also wouldn't trust a 4chan post without some good corroborating evidence. Looking at the more prolific helpers that initially joined Vrel, I still see their names in the changelogs for 4.0 as well. Guess we'll see if some drop off in the post 4.0 update notes.
 

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I can't imagine Kylar being a "light in the darkness" unless they're that type of Yandere who will do ANYTHING for the PC and literally uh REMOVE the "threats" if for example their jealousy is maxed.

Like, you'll just randomly find some posters about <Insert named NPC> and we would know who did it.
I don't think they have the balls to do that but I can see some mods that can do it, I mean we have brutality mod which literally goes on a full 180 from this tame-a$$ thing we have going on rn.
 
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Like, you'll just randomly find some posters about <Insert named NPC> and we would know who did it.
I don't think they have the balls to do that but I can see some mods that can do it, I mean we have brutality mod which literally goes on a full 180 from this tame-a$$ thing we have going on rn.
I actually prefer how we currently get rid of npcs, it has that extra humiliation part that makes it a better revenge than just reading someone died off screen and not even thanks to us. Thats kinda fucking lame, its like doing regular assassinations in dishonored instead of making dude an apostate and then seeing his dead body in the slums, much more satysfying conclusion.
Its Kylar and Whitey that we can get rid of as of now right? I think those are a lot more brutal than reading in text that they died. But you could have a more involved quest where Kylar helps you with get rid of someone in some other fashion, maybe send someone to farm. But then you better not end up there yourself or they might hatch a revenge on you.
Just death is kinda the most boring and unispired thing you can do.
 

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I actually prefer how we currently get rid of npcs, it has that extra humiliation part that makes it a better revenge than just reading someone died off screen and not even thanks to us. Thats kinda fucking lame, its like doing regular assassinations in dishonored instead of making dude an apostate and then seeing his dead body in the slums, much more satysfying conclusion.
Its Kylar and Whitey that we can get rid of as of now right? I think those are a lot more brutal than reading in text that they died. But you could have a more involved quest where Kylar helps you with get rid of someone in some other fashion, maybe send someone to farm. But then you better not end up there yourself or they might hatch a revenge on you.
Just death is kinda the most boring and unispired thing you can do.
Avery too, in a way aka them moving on.
Only Whitney has a no-return or maybe Avery too, haven't seen them again after the event.
Kylar can still be brought back but they unimmersively go back to their normal ways.
 
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There is a lot of belly aching about the game and how its not EXACTLY catering to their own personal fetish and its all really tiring.
For the past eight years, the principal demographic doing that has been pregnancy fetishists. Just saying.
You cant look at a discussion of the game anywhere without a bunch of crying about how the player shouldnt have love interests and how they are RUINING the game for spending so much time on them.
That REALLY has not been my experience. I was there when Robin was first introduced, and the character was almost universally adored. In fact, scroll up. What is the most recent post that you can find in this enormous and venerable thread where someone is crying that there should be no waifus? Maybe a hundred pages ago you will find someone who didn't want Sydney or Alex. Maybe.
Then in the next post down they gnash their teeth about how they are wasting their time making ANOTHER skill instead of fleshing out the NPCs more.
Yeah, that one I do see now and then.
The truth of the matter is porn games like this one with a single main dev and a lot of collaborators generally die in the same way. The collaborators/community piss off the main dev so much he fucking quits and the game dies. Looking at you free cities.
Or the dev gets a bunch of yes-men collaborators who don't do anything that isn't his own personal fetish for years while collecting patreon bucks for allowing people the privilege of adding their own work to the game. Looking at you, Corruption of Champions.
You cant cater to everyones fetish. It is an impossible task. It wont stop a bunch of entitled assholes from trying to dictate how a game should be their super special fetish simulator and how everyone else is WRONG for not liking what they do.
"Looking at you, pregnancy fetishists"?
When you have a whole team of people like that of course people are going to bet butthurt and leave.
Is that what is actually happening? You seem to have some insider insight. Devs are leaving, because they don't want to spend six-plus months coding one particular fetish that isn't theirs? It is honestly difficult to blame them for not wanting to spend their free time doing free work on a project that does not interest them. Really, how long did you think that non-pregnancy fetishists were going to be content working on pregnancy?

Beyond pregnancy 1.0, 2.0, and whatever other editions have to be released to flesh it out, will there be any room in the game left to put any more stuff in? DoL is in desperate need of going to beta. It was even before the pregnancy mechanic. There is nothing else left to hope as far as new content for from the game until it has been radically simplified.
But on the other hand the fact is if your getting your info from fucking 4chan of all places so its not likely to be very reliable anyway. It is the website that hosts /pol/ and its unhinged posting base that claims hitler did nothing wrong unironcally and the good old vaccine heart stopping microchip idiocy.
Lel, do you know where Vrel started working on this game? I remember back when it was only one encounter he was posting it on a place called 8chan. Ever hear of it? It got shut down for being a breeding ground for mass shooters. You are right, though, that we shouldn't believe anything that comes from 4chan. Where are you getting your information from?
Unless you have some direct from the horses mouth info about how its all crumbling down that isnt going to boil down to whining because they didnt devote an entire year of dev time to someones most favorite waifu its best to just not spread rumors.
Now is not a good time to bring up "an entire year of dev time" devoted to one fetish.
 

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What would be better for Kylar, his soft bad end being a wake up call or him going even more schizo? (Kylar is always male for me idk he just sounds like a psycho dude.)
I'm surprised wolf pregnancy made it before any other named one, not complaining just surprised. Also I swear at one dev github ver there were male preg settings but there weren't any in the sneak build. I suppose they didn't want people having expectations too soon and spamming everywhere with 'where is mpreg'.
 
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How the fuck we gon' get male pregnancy anyway? Through our dick? Like... Instead of sperm going out it goes in?? Anal pregnancy that's like the parasite stuff but different??? Magic fairy dust???? Like... I'm guessing male pregnancy means PC set to male with a dick and no vagina right? Like... Dudes don't have ovaries... Like... I'm so confused.
 

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How the fuck we gon' get male pregnancy anyway? Through our dick? Like... Instead of sperm going out it goes in?? Anal pregnancy that's like the parasite stuff but different??? Magic fairy dust???? Like... I'm guessing male pregnancy means PC set to male with a dick and no vagina right? Like... Dudes don't have ovaries... Like... I'm so confused.
We become a femboy and get knocked from our BUSSY. :KEK: :KEK: :KEK: :KEK:
 
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