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AlliebuttDK

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You mean people complaining that you don't have a lot of F/F scenes with her?
I think I have 1 F/F scene with her on earth. Maybe 2?
Nah, I meant as in I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people bitching and whining and complaining about how she gets fucked by a bunch of other dudes all the time, even if you do join her for the majority of those scenes. "Nice Time with Roo" = NTR.

Mind you I still don't mind that as I absolutely adore all the scenes with her, especially when her and MC are fucking a bunch of dudes together while making out with one another as they're fucked. She's a succubus and so is MC, so it makes total sense. Anyone expecting monogamy with her would be absolute idiots, but unfortunately idiots like that do exist. And they often complain loudly, which as I pointed out, I was surprised to see wasn't the case on the thread for your game where they were suspiciously abscent.

Hell, I've seen these bricks complain about the women 'cheating' on the MC when the whole game is focused on a brothel. The game was literally named "Memoirs of a Battle Brothel" and they were still complaining about the prospect of the women having sex with other people, which by the way only one of them was doing. But they still clicked on a game named "Memoirs of a Battle Brothel" and unironically complained about it being NTR by default.
 
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Nah, I meant as in I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people bitching and whining and complaining about how she gets fucked by a bunch of other dudes all the time, even if you do join her for the majority of those scenes. "Nice Time with Roo" = NTR.

Mind you I still don't mind that as I absolutely adore all the scenes with her, especially when her and MC are fucking a bunch of dudes together while making out with one another as they're fucked. She's a succubus and so is MC, so it makes total sense. Anyone expecting monogamy with her would be absolute idiots, but unfortunately idiots like that do exist. And they often complain loudly, which as I pointed out, I was surprised to see wasn't the case on the thread for your game where they were suspiciously abscent.

Hell, I've seen these bricks complain about the women 'cheating' on the MC when the whole game is focused on a brothel. The game was literally named "Memoirs of a Battle Brothel" and they were still complaining about the prospect of the women having sex with other people, which by the way only one of them was doing. But they still clicked on a game named "Memoirs of a Battle Brothel" and unironically complained about it being NTR by default.
Oh, sounds like them. Our local collection of zoo-escaped animals who insist on letting absolutely everyone know just how much they hate ntr/cheating/whoring/swinging/etc, so-called trU harem fans. Ugh. :sneaky::coffee:
Even seeing them can give people who have functioning brain cells aids for life. :HideThePain::coffee:
 

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Nah, I meant as in I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people bitching and whining and complaining about how she gets fucked by a bunch of other dudes all the time, even if you do join her for the majority of those scenes. "Nice Time with Roo" = NTR.

Mind you I still don't mind that as I absolutely adore all the scenes with her, especially when her and MC are fucking a bunch of dudes together while making out with one another as they're fucked. She's a succubus and so is MC, so it makes total sense. Anyone expecting monogamy with her would be absolute idiots, but unfortunately idiots like that do exist. And they often complain loudly, which as I pointed out, I was surprised to see wasn't the case on the thread for your game where they were suspiciously abscent.

Hell, I've seen these bricks complain about the women 'cheating' on the MC when the whole game is focused on a brothel. The game was literally named "Memoirs of a Battle Brothel" and they were still complaining about the prospect of the women having sex with other people, which by the way only one of them was doing. But they still clicked on a game named "Memoirs of a Battle Brothel" and unironically complained about it being NTR by default.
I feel like you are blowing things out of proportion. There are things people like, and things people do not like. There is a reason tags exist, but you do you IG.

At the same time, if people don't like the contents of a game, they can simply just leave. It would be clear that they are not the target audience of the game, and shouldn't feel entitled to a game they are not the creator of and/or the creator(s) have no intention of changing the game to meet their preferences.

PS: I personally have no qualms with it, and simply prefer to avoid those routes if I can.
 
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Nah, I meant as in I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people bitching and whining and complaining about how she gets fucked by a bunch of other dudes all the time, even if you do join her for the majority of those scenes. "Nice Time with Roo" = NTR.
Ahh, I only recently learned what NTR was tbh.

But I don't think this really counts as NTR when she's a literal succubus. But that's just IMO.
Someone made a comment about it on the f95 dev discord, but that's the only time I've heard anyone suggest my game had NTR.

Also, I'm not really sure what the rules of NTR are, but if the girl isn't in a relationship to begin with, is it really cheating?
When I was a teenager I slept around a bit and no one batted an eye. I never did it when I was in a relationship cause that would be different. If people are upset about a girl doing it when she's not in a relationship with anyone, then I think that might be a bit hypocritical, or maybe something beyond my understanding.


Once the relationship route with Rhelyla is complete, I suppose maybe it might count as NTR?
Since they'd both obviously require an open relationship. Considering they both need to continue to feed.

Is an open relationship NTR?
 

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I feel like you are blowing things out of proportion. There are things people like, and things people do not like. There is a reason tags exist, but you do you IG.

At the same time, if people don't like the contents of a game, they can simply just leave. It would be clear that they are not the target audience of the game, and shouldn't feel entitled to a game they are not the creator of and/or the creator(s) have no intention of changing to meet their preferences.

PS: I personally have no qualms with it, and simply prefer to avoid those routes if I can.
Oh I agree, people like what they like and that's fine. I'm generally not cool with actual NTR either and avoid games where it's mandatory, and in games where it's optional (As in the cheating doesn't happen unless the player decides it happens, none of that 'it happens, you just don't have to see it' since I avoid that too, no cheating for me please) I simply avoid the NTR paths. Eruption Imminent is a good example. The voyeur scenes are obvious and easy to prevent, not avoid but prevent, and when the choice of picking a final path ultimately comes up (Dom,Sub,Cuck) I just pick the dom or sub depending on my mood. It's that easy.

But no, I am absolutely not blowing it out of proportion. There's a very vocal group of people that will enter the page for games with any hint of NTR, and they will loudly complain about it existing in the game. The two tags with the most vocal haters on this site are without a doubt NTR and FUTA/TRANS. If either of those tags are in the game, there will be people who comment on those games just to complain about "Ooh, another trash NTR/FUTA-TRANS game, why do people keep making so many of these shit games!?" If you haven't noticed this, then I'd really like to know if we're using the same version of F95 because I sure as hell notice these people, because they absolutely exist.
 

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There are certain individuals who don't even care about the meaning of tags/kinks, they're simply pushing for their ideal vision of 'em, or their ideal version of a game. And they don't give a shit what tags or whatever that game has, their objective is to convince the dev to change their project to something they personally like. They go from game thread to game thread, and constantly constantly bitch about the same old shit.... you have no idea how fucking annoying this can get. :whistle::coffee:

Also NTR is rather complex shit, there's an absolute fuck-ton of variations of it and scenarios you can pull off with those variations, part of the reason why nobody ever agrees on anything involving NTR. I have a bit about it in my 'about' page in my profile if you're interested Panonon, it's only my personal take tho. :whistle::coffee:
 
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Once the relationship route with Rhelyla is complete, I suppose maybe it might count as NTR?
Since they'd both obviously require an open relationship. Considering they both need to continue to feed.

Is an open relationship NTR?
No. This would categorically not be NTR. It would be an open relationship where both partners have consensually agreed to have sex with other people, with no emotional attachment to those they have sex with. They do it purely for the sake of feeding, and physical gratification. As both partners have agreed to the fact that they are both allowed to do it, neither of them are cheating and that makes NTR fundamentally impossible since it always relies on a partner cheating in some capacity, be it cheating with or without consent. But some people will still always consider it NTR, despite it not fitting into any of the 3 types of NTR.

When the time comes and her relationship route is complete, all you really need to tag the game with would be the Swinging tag. Anyone who complains and says that relationship is NTR, don't even know what NTR is or what it means. They're just unhappy that their virtual girlfriend is sleeping with other virtual men despite the MC being allowed to, and is doing the exact same thing, i.e it would be swinging.
 
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The two tags with the most vocal haters on this site are without a doubt NTR and FUTA/TRANS.
3. Add AI to the list.
People seem to think devs with no following can immediately afford artists who can do art for every single page.


I have a bit about it in my 'about' page in my profile if you're interested Panonon, it's only my personal take tho. :whistle::coffee:
NTR is all about mental abuse/bullying/domination of the ntree, through physical and/or mental abuse/bullying/domination of X.
I think I get this. Some games (not just smut) seem like they just got done reading an edgy manwha with an insufferable "anti-hero" lead, who's actually a villain but really bad and loose justifications for killing people or treating people like shit.

I actually have a hard time playing a villain in games. My guilt for NPC's is too strong!
 
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3. Add AI to the list.
People seem to think devs with no following can immediately afford artists who can do art for every single page.
I suspect this mindset comes from how popular Renpy, and renders as a whole, has become. While high quality renders are demanding and need fairly good hardware to consistently make, they're seen as the 'normal' go to for games where you can't just rely on using porn pictures and gifs (Which is a totally unrealistic demand for a game build in HTML where renders don't really work nearly as well as they do in Renpy). What most fail to realize, is the fact that fantasy games will always be much harder to make if you don't have the tools at hand to rely on high quality renders or are willing and able to hire artists. The developer Violet Kitten who makes the game Revamped Bloodline (Twine HTML as well), ran into the same issue recently. Her game is high fantasy with vampires and other creatures of the night too, and as a result it was really hard for her to rely on porn pictures and gifs, since they would almost always break immersion, and they also couldn't live up to what the story needed, (Pictures of girls with white hair covered in blood are usurpingly not very common on the 'normal' internet) so she ended up using AI for her game as well. A lot of fans of her game were understanding about it, but there were definitely anti AI people who didn't appreciate the change of style at all.

Whether we like it or not, AI art is going to be the new normal. There will still be work for artists on higher end projects for sure, but AI art in indie projects like this one and RVB will start to become the norm sooner than a lot of people would like. Pandora's urn has been opened and it won't close again, so the sooner people start accepting that the sooner the hate will go away. Custom art will almost always be better without a doubt, but as you said, most new devs just can't afford that. The people on sites like F95 who are clutching their pearls are unlikely to ever go away, but their opinions won't change anything at this point.
 

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"What does a man have in his trousers that a lady doesn't want on her face?" what the answer and how do i get the girl,,, i met the elf dude but im stuck at oh its you again and not much else
 

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I actually have a hard time playing a villain in games. My guilt for NPC's is too strong!
That's too bad.
I actually quite enjoy playing villains, sadly few devs go this route and even fewer can write a solid villain like or .
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I know my english is not that great but i could swear that the scene is about mchas sex with a MAN? In addition, the scene is just in the beginning and mc doesn't have any horns yet?
 

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I know my english is not that great but i could swear that the scene is about mchas sex with a MAN? In addition, the scene is just in the beginning and mc doesn't have any horns yet?
This is intentional. Also it's a dream scene.

The scene is intended to shift in the middle, subtly. Basically the character starved themselves and their instincts took over, and they're seeing a dream while their body is taking care of its hunger.

So essentially, if you start male originally, at the start of that scene you're also male. But by the time the scene finishes, the protagonist subtly transform into a female without the protagonist noticing.
It's supposed to be your new desires taking form, also the fact that you're unconsciously feeding off the guy who gave you a place to stay.

It's also one of my early written scenes so my writing has improved since then. It's possible I could do a better job now.

I suspect this mindset comes from how popular Renpy, and renders as a whole, has become.
Based on the hate mail I've received, as well as some of the early pages in this game post (most of them have been deleted though), it's more a blind hate towards AI for being AI.

A lot of people claim AI is stealing art without actually understanding what it does.
There is a moral grey area there, I'm not going to blindly say AI is innocent. There's also the fact that you can download Lora's to copy people's looks, styles, art styles, etc. I avoid that personally.

In reality AI doesn't download / steal / copy any art. It see's thousands of images of a dog tagged with the word "dog" and it somewhat understands familiar patterns for "dog".

Now, there is the fact that say Salvador Dhali's paintings are well known and EVERYWHERE. He's an extreme example, but to use him as an example if someone were to input his name into a tag, it would be easy to copy his style because there are enough images tagged with his name out on the internet. It's virtually impossible for someone to review what images are looked at and tagged for web crawling bots, which presents the issue some of the more well-known artists are facing that their art style is being mimicked because the AI tool knows their name. Though Stability and other AI tools are trying to remove artists names from allowable prompts. But due to lora, that's easy to get around.

Imo it doesn't matter, AI will improve but it will never fully replace an artist. Instead I believe artists might start using it as an additional tool.

I honestly believe DG would be more popular if one of the artists I tried to hire delivered, but the game would also have significantly less art.

"What does a man have in his trousers that a lady doesn't want on her face?" what the answer and how do i get the girl,,, i met the elf dude but im stuck at oh its you again and not much else
There are answers on the page, unless this is the 2nd set of riddles, then I added an option to cheat for players who haven't obtained Yuki on that page next update.

The answer is
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How do you get there? Is it a random encounter in the mountains? During the day or night? I believe I saw i once as an encounter and then it never turned up during exploring.
As Void said, defeat the mountain boss, and make sure you complete Azrael's quest in town (find him in the bookstore, then meet with him every couple days).
 
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Imo it doesn't matter, AI will improve but it will never fully replace an artist.
I wouldn't be so sure about that my dude:
And that's only what the public is aware of, imagine what there could be already that is hidden from public eye. ;):coffee:
Instead I believe artists might start using it as an additional tool.
The smart ones have already incorporated it into their workflow i'm sure, the stupid ones are probably still screeching on the social media about how terrible AI is, along with all the other anti-AI club members. :ROFLMAO::coffee:
But fact is, . :ROFLMAO::coffee:
 
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I wouldn't be so sure about that my dude:
And that's only what the public is aware of, imagine what there could be already that is hidden from public eye. ;):coffee:
Except Stephen Taylor also claims that , however the way that DABUS "works" is not the way that LLMs work.

But fact is, . :ROFLMAO::coffee:
( )
And I'm sure that you could be put out of a job with 3 lines of Python.
 

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Except Stephen Taylor also claims that , however the way that DABUS "works" is not the way that LLMs work.
It doesn't matter, the point there was that if AI systems truly already capable of inventing, then you can bet your ass they can do any job in the world if they really tried. :whistle::coffee:
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And I'm sure that you could be put out of a job with 3 lines of Python.
I'm not sure what your point is here but okay lol. :ROFLMAO::coffee:
 
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