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Shizunae
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I believe i am soft-locked, i did the highway settlement quest and since then there is nothing new to do, i can't sleep at the mutants, nothing at rabiah and in the house i think i did everything there is to do and repeated all possible options. i also skipped a lot of days but idk.
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Damn I love Shani in this game.
Thanks for the lovely wallpaper!
I just came to post my thoughts & see the conversation started by GoldenEyeDrake, lol.
Anyway. I think the family definition in this game has potential beyong the whole patron dodge thing. Given the whole Temple mothers system & other dialogue, it can be made so that the official system is that all children are taken by the temple when born & then people can adopt them based on suitability, like a singer adopting a sweet sounding kid.
As this system became more & more established, the definition of 'daughter' went through subtle changes & became more like apprentice/servant/student/ward/slave/heir/wife/lover/concubine & less "blood-related offspring". So the sexual interactions with 'daughters' became common & accepted, not incestuous, leading to the current situation. (Age limit before adoption protects young children)
(For ppl interested in incest, MC used his position to get his own daughters back when adopting.)
Imo this would make a more interesting setting than just having the MC openly have incest without raising any eyebrows because officially they are "roommates"
Having social norms & monikers twisted in a dystopian setting makes it have more depth. Like you can see the slow descent from modern civilization to dystopia through this mutation of a common social relation & how it was currently perceived as...
ZetanDS thoughts? Sorry in advance for bothering you.
Anyway. I think the family definition in this game has potential beyong the whole patron dodge thing. Given the whole Temple mothers system & other dialogue, it can be made so that the official system is that all children are taken by the temple when born & then people can adopt them based on suitability, like a singer adopting a sweet sounding kid.
As this system became more & more established, the definition of 'daughter' went through subtle changes & became more like apprentice/servant/student/ward/slave/heir/wife/lover/concubine & less "blood-related offspring". So the sexual interactions with 'daughters' became common & accepted, not incestuous, leading to the current situation. (Age limit before adoption protects young children)
(For ppl interested in incest, MC used his position to get his own daughters back when adopting.)
Imo this would make a more interesting setting than just having the MC openly have incest without raising any eyebrows because officially they are "roommates"
Having social norms & monikers twisted in a dystopian setting makes it have more depth. Like you can see the slow descent from modern civilization to dystopia through this mutation of a common social relation & how it was currently perceived as...
ZetanDS thoughts? Sorry in advance for bothering you.
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Cynicaladm
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Remembrance We have gone for an in between solution by not declaring things to be either one way or the other, which allows for both paths to coexist. In practice it already is how you propose it to be.
in other words, the model you propose, which we can find, with some differences, in ancient Sparta or in the Zulu under Shaka Zulu, is what inspired the whole Children of Zeta business, which does follow roughly your idea... the Vessels procreate with the purpose of breeding soldiers and workers both for the central authorities (the Palace, The Temple and the Army), and for those who cannot procreate themselves (elder couples, queer couples, single men and women and so on)...Children are recruited/assigned according to their inclination and/or the needs of the city.
Next to this, couples who can procreate and do so are free to either hand over their children to the Temple or to keep them and raise them themselves.
As a player, you are free to decide which way you would prefer things to have gone in the case of Zaton and Zahra.
If in your head-canon all children are passed through the Temple system and are Children of Zeta, that's fine and will probably not be contradicted explicitly in the lore. Potentially the argument can be made that children handed over to the Temple, can be, on request, reassigned to their natural birth parents. We will also not explicitly state that all children go through this process, allowing the player to make up their minds about it.
In other words, it's up to your preference. If incest skeeves you out, then go for the "they are Children of Zeta" route, if not, keep it as is....either way, Ain and Shani regard Zaton and Zahra as their parents, which kind of renders the whole "let's not make it actual blood incest" point a little moot.
As to why incest has become acceptable in this society... it has mostly to do with scarcity of alternatives, with how the few people who started to rebuild and who eventually built Zeta were forced into that or going extinct... we are handwaving the whole incest=genetic defects issue by (at least in my mind) having moved past that particular issue through advancements in medicine and genetic therapy well before the whole End of Days scenario came to be.
In other words, humanity had cured cancer, aids and whatnot else before the End of Days and, incidentally, brought humanity to an evolution point where also inbreeding would not be source of medical issues.... that, at least, is how I personally rationalise the handwave of this particular plothole. (it, combined with several centuries of survival of the fittest, also explains how come most people you see on screen have athletic builds).
in other words, the model you propose, which we can find, with some differences, in ancient Sparta or in the Zulu under Shaka Zulu, is what inspired the whole Children of Zeta business, which does follow roughly your idea... the Vessels procreate with the purpose of breeding soldiers and workers both for the central authorities (the Palace, The Temple and the Army), and for those who cannot procreate themselves (elder couples, queer couples, single men and women and so on)...Children are recruited/assigned according to their inclination and/or the needs of the city.
Next to this, couples who can procreate and do so are free to either hand over their children to the Temple or to keep them and raise them themselves.
As a player, you are free to decide which way you would prefer things to have gone in the case of Zaton and Zahra.
If in your head-canon all children are passed through the Temple system and are Children of Zeta, that's fine and will probably not be contradicted explicitly in the lore. Potentially the argument can be made that children handed over to the Temple, can be, on request, reassigned to their natural birth parents. We will also not explicitly state that all children go through this process, allowing the player to make up their minds about it.
In other words, it's up to your preference. If incest skeeves you out, then go for the "they are Children of Zeta" route, if not, keep it as is....either way, Ain and Shani regard Zaton and Zahra as their parents, which kind of renders the whole "let's not make it actual blood incest" point a little moot.
As to why incest has become acceptable in this society... it has mostly to do with scarcity of alternatives, with how the few people who started to rebuild and who eventually built Zeta were forced into that or going extinct... we are handwaving the whole incest=genetic defects issue by (at least in my mind) having moved past that particular issue through advancements in medicine and genetic therapy well before the whole End of Days scenario came to be.
In other words, humanity had cured cancer, aids and whatnot else before the End of Days and, incidentally, brought humanity to an evolution point where also inbreeding would not be source of medical issues.... that, at least, is how I personally rationalise the handwave of this particular plothole. (it, combined with several centuries of survival of the fittest, also explains how come most people you see on screen have athletic builds).
lala2122
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Shame if "swinging" tag dont have any sharing wife content. anyway, I don't mind either
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Hey again! We have started integrating the new scenes in the game (coding/music/etc.) while the remaining parts are rendering. More than 40 animations have been rendered so far (both NSFW and story ones) and I am actually considering to get a third rendering PC to get all the pre-posed scenes rendered quicker if that remains a bottleneck in the future.
I think we're getting closer to the release, and the current plan is for the Beta to be out in the first week of November. Maybe it can come out sooner, around Halloween, but it's a bit unlikely still.
Oh, and yes, I said last week I was considering an additional scene. And we think it's about time Zahra has a nightly talk with the MC about everything that's happened.... in a sexy dress.
Render progress:
Ivy's scene: 100%
Shani's mission pt.2: 90%
Kitty's scene: 90%
Kateryna's scene: 90%
Zahra's sleepover: 90%
Zahra's scene: 20%
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It's not about incest. The main point was how the term & relation of daughter was turned on it's head (from blood related offspring to a more purely social concept.)
Also, social mutation makes much more sense than inbreeding not being a issue (as long as humans have dna, genetic pool will always matter, especially if you don't have access to gene editing tech)
Also, in a city there won't be scarecity of alternatives, especially if you can just kidnap people to fill out your gene pool.
And if there were really problems with availablity of mates, there are much more drastic systems than preserving the family unit & encouraging incest.
Sorry, I'm not trying to tear down your back story, it just doesn't make as much sense.
If you really want blood related incest itself to be accepted, maybe go with the whole unscientific handwaving as you said.
But if you only care about the MC & this daughters being related, my system makes more sense over all with no need for handwaving basic genetics.
Social development (restructuring) in extreme situations is very interesting & often a very important part of dystopia.
It can be open ended, I just like world building/ world setting & hence made a theory about how the situation could come out. Logically it fits the best I think.
Also, sure children can be willingly handed over, but in a dystopia, harsher rules make more sense, rather than trying to preserve the family unit & the love between parent & child.
The system is there to match based on suitability, not to pander to soft parents wanting their children with them.
That's how I'd imagine a dystopia anyway, rules & systems uncaring about compassion or moral outrage.
Anyway, if you like incest, I'd think breaking the law to get to his daughters back would be more romantic ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
Personally I don't care about incest one waybor another. Thinking up a logically sound system & how it evolved from the modern social structure, without any unscientific hanwaving, is more interesting imo
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Cynicaladm
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the change in sexual mores, the social mutation you speak of and the softening of taboos goes back to the early days of Zeta, when population was very small in numbers. Zeta wasn't always a city.... let's just say there are parts of the backstory of the city itself that are yet to be explored and presented.
Things will make a little more sense then, if I do things right.
That said, even now, incest is not, in fact, encouraged specifically in any way... it's just not a big deal if it should happen. We are describing a highly sexualised society where there are people who will bang anything that moves, family or not, and people who are less so inclined, but on the whole, there is a freedom about the topic that just allows for all manner of configurations.
That aside, families are still families, by blood or otherwise, and there's no reason to do away with them altogether. If there's enough resources to go around, a couple should be able to provide for and keep their children. human relationships and affections, and biological imperatives, should still count for something.
anyway, that's me rambling...
Is there still going to be a fair bit of handwaving necessary? Yes.. but then, the Zones themselves aren't really grounded on solid science either, and they are integral to the setting, so that's just something we have to live with. We are also not going to try and define every little aspect of how society evolved to where it's at, both to leave a little mystery and because there's only a fraction of the players that would actually appreciate the effort... and finally, because the more in detail you go, the more you end up having to explain, and the more you risk contradicting yourself.
In short, we want to keep certain things a little open ended.
That said, we are not really that far separated in what we're saying... on the whole, the rules are strict and there are systems in place to distribute the population where needed. It's already there..and I believe I wrote as much in the library entry for the Temple and the Priestesses and the Children of Zeta. (though I don't have it in front of me right now, so...)
Then there's individual cases that may follow those rules or not... specifically, the MC is part of the 1% in Zeta.. he has much more leeway to do whatever he wants because he's rich, has status, is connected and has individual strength to back it up.
Even in a dystopia, we are now several centuries after the moment in which society was rebooted, people's relationships and levels of resources are on a sliding scale... and it does make sense for certain dynamics to reintroduce themselves, over time, where possible.
Things will make a little more sense then, if I do things right.
That said, even now, incest is not, in fact, encouraged specifically in any way... it's just not a big deal if it should happen. We are describing a highly sexualised society where there are people who will bang anything that moves, family or not, and people who are less so inclined, but on the whole, there is a freedom about the topic that just allows for all manner of configurations.
That aside, families are still families, by blood or otherwise, and there's no reason to do away with them altogether. If there's enough resources to go around, a couple should be able to provide for and keep their children. human relationships and affections, and biological imperatives, should still count for something.
anyway, that's me rambling...
Is there still going to be a fair bit of handwaving necessary? Yes.. but then, the Zones themselves aren't really grounded on solid science either, and they are integral to the setting, so that's just something we have to live with. We are also not going to try and define every little aspect of how society evolved to where it's at, both to leave a little mystery and because there's only a fraction of the players that would actually appreciate the effort... and finally, because the more in detail you go, the more you end up having to explain, and the more you risk contradicting yourself.
In short, we want to keep certain things a little open ended.
That said, we are not really that far separated in what we're saying... on the whole, the rules are strict and there are systems in place to distribute the population where needed. It's already there..and I believe I wrote as much in the library entry for the Temple and the Priestesses and the Children of Zeta. (though I don't have it in front of me right now, so...)
Then there's individual cases that may follow those rules or not... specifically, the MC is part of the 1% in Zeta.. he has much more leeway to do whatever he wants because he's rich, has status, is connected and has individual strength to back it up.
Even in a dystopia, we are now several centuries after the moment in which society was rebooted, people's relationships and levels of resources are on a sliding scale... and it does make sense for certain dynamics to reintroduce themselves, over time, where possible.
Looks so great. Can't wait.
Wonder if/when we'll get wife, MC and niece scene...or maybe add wife's sister to the mix...but that would be an orgy at that point I guess, so a ways off still.
Some form of depravity though. Either adult sister bonding, or niece with her uncle and aunt bonding...
Also, when Shani gets back, having her more active in the harem scenes other than just pushing down Ain's head...perhaps Shani pushing Ain's head down into her own crotch?
She uses her sister just like her father, since she's a Stalker now too.
the3m_dude
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Zahra is just so goddamn beautiful bruh i love her
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Fck, I wrote so much then my browser crashed.
In short, better to embrace the handwaving, if it is possible to openly raise your own children, even for the 1%, as the temple not strictly collecting all the children at birth could cause the system to collapse in many ways.
So while the MC taking back his children at the apprentice age, or having a compromise with the temple where he can be involved in raising them in the temple is okay, openly keeping them & raising them from birth would probably not be allowed by the temple, either for the 1% or 99%. Otherwise it can very easily lead to collapse of the 'daughters' social structure.
Wish I could rewrite everything, but my hands are paining(that's how much it was
)I enjoyed this interaction though. Tag me if you ever want to discuss social structure or world building
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It's fantasy and some people love incest in these games period.Fck, I wrote so much then my browser crashed.
In short, better to embrace the handwaving, if it is possible to openly raise your own children, even for the 1%, as the temple not strictly collecting all the children at birth could cause the system to collapse in many ways.
So while the MC taking back his children at the apprentice age, or having a compromise with the temple where he can be involved in raising them in the temple is okay, openly keeping them & raising them from birth would probably not be allowed by the temple, either for the 1% or 99%. Otherwise it can very easily lead to collapse of the 'daughters' social structure.
Wish I could rewrite everything, but my hands are paining(that's how much it was
I enjoyed this interaction though. Tag me if you ever want to discuss social structure or world building
If the Apocalypse happens like in DS world humanity would be doomed. Not big enough gene pool to sustain population growth. Maybe some players aren't aware of this, but real life incest is the end of the line for reproduction. So enjoy your retarded children