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that device is a callback to the games this game is inspired by, so I doubt ZetanDS will want to change it, even if it makes for more difficult reading.
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you are just fine... we somehow took that bit of explanation out of the game... I have no idea when or how.
we put it back in, at the end of Ain's punishment in the basement.
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I'll be honest, not the game I was expecting you to mention.... but we all have our personal stories, I guess.
Like I said, it was a stupid adult VN. It hit me out of left field.
But would you agree that the inverse is a reasonable conclusion - that's to say; if people are getting heavily emotionally invested in these games, they're self-inserting into the MC, and thus my inclusion of their past history with such relationships could be relevant?
I simply don't buy it. I have absolutely zero evidence or anything of substance to stand on
, so this isn't some harsh indictment, it just seems like there's too much emotional intensity on these ntr rants to excuse it as separate from the real world. People don't really get emotional (positive or negative) about things they can purely compartmentalize from their real life. If you've another theory on why the playerbase reacts to ntr themes with such disproportionate intensity relative to anything else, I'm all ears.
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There was a theory floated by that video I posted towards the end that suggests it's due to a vestigial monkey brain reproductive strategy. Honestly, my takeaway is there hasn't been many studies on this subject and there is no consensus.But would you agree that the inverse is a reasonable conclusion - that's to say; if people are getting heavily emotionally invested in these games, they're self-inserting into the MC, and thus my inclusion of their past history with such relationships could be relevant?
I simply don't buy it. I have absolutely zero evidence or anything of substance to stand on
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My best guess, if we want to buy into this argument and want to find a psychological reason...
aside from personal traumatic experiences which really aren't as common as porn movies would want us believe (the majority of cheaters aren't actually caught balls deep in their lovers when they are caught) is that it's simple insecurity, which is a perfectly fine sentiment to have.
Almost anybody is insecure about at least something in their lives... it doesn't help that there are a lot of cultural stigma attached to this particular brand of insecurity and that in recent years people have started to try and compartimentalise behaviours and "types of reactions" assigning it every letter of the Greek alphabet without there being any actual scientific or factual logic to those definitions.
Way too many countries still have this situation where men are brought up to have a stiff upper lip, to not show emotions, to suck it up and deal with it, and that doing anything different is somehow less than manly and thus automatically gay or defining you as a lesser man/person.
A lot of people with deep rooted insecurities buy into those arguments as a way to externalise the issues they deal with and potentially blame something or someone else... so if you feel unattractive, if you're not scoring a girl, if you're simply too young to know better, if you've had bad luck with your relationships or sex life, if you have body image issues or whatever other impediment... A scene where your character is, in your eyes, victimised, breeds insecurity and to defend yourself from it you lash out at anything that might make you feel less than a top dog macho man, because that's what the society you live in tells you you should be.
To me it's a lot of bull... it's perfectly fine to deal with insecurities, it's perfectly fine to have a human reaction to being exposed to them, it's perfectly fine to indulge in a fantasy that doesn't show you as the ubermale, or that in some marginal way exposes an insecurity. Ultimately games are a safe space because it's just you and your computer/phone... and if you feel angry about a thing, or sad, it may become a positive drive for change.
Note I said it's a reason, not a justification... if you take your issues, your traumas or just your simple insecurities and weaponise them to be mean to people you don't know over the internet, people who might deal with similar or worse situations, that's still an active choice you make, an actual investment of your time spent to spreading your crap on the net, and you need to grow up, find a different outlet for your frustrations (maybe counseling?) or just stop being a dick.
In the context of this forum, that would mean maybe not going out of your way to antagonise people because they have different tastes, tastes that confront you with something you don't like. It's doing you nor anybody else any good..
And if you notice that even the remote possibility of NTR content triggers a strong emotional response in you, to the point that you lash out at people... then maybe you need to either count to ten and see if it's worth it, or take a step back from seeking refuge in playing these games and sort your shit out, talk to someone about it.
still rambling
aside from personal traumatic experiences which really aren't as common as porn movies would want us believe (the majority of cheaters aren't actually caught balls deep in their lovers when they are caught) is that it's simple insecurity, which is a perfectly fine sentiment to have.
Almost anybody is insecure about at least something in their lives... it doesn't help that there are a lot of cultural stigma attached to this particular brand of insecurity and that in recent years people have started to try and compartimentalise behaviours and "types of reactions" assigning it every letter of the Greek alphabet without there being any actual scientific or factual logic to those definitions.
Way too many countries still have this situation where men are brought up to have a stiff upper lip, to not show emotions, to suck it up and deal with it, and that doing anything different is somehow less than manly and thus automatically gay or defining you as a lesser man/person.
A lot of people with deep rooted insecurities buy into those arguments as a way to externalise the issues they deal with and potentially blame something or someone else... so if you feel unattractive, if you're not scoring a girl, if you're simply too young to know better, if you've had bad luck with your relationships or sex life, if you have body image issues or whatever other impediment... A scene where your character is, in your eyes, victimised, breeds insecurity and to defend yourself from it you lash out at anything that might make you feel less than a top dog macho man, because that's what the society you live in tells you you should be.
To me it's a lot of bull... it's perfectly fine to deal with insecurities, it's perfectly fine to have a human reaction to being exposed to them, it's perfectly fine to indulge in a fantasy that doesn't show you as the ubermale, or that in some marginal way exposes an insecurity. Ultimately games are a safe space because it's just you and your computer/phone... and if you feel angry about a thing, or sad, it may become a positive drive for change.
Note I said it's a reason, not a justification... if you take your issues, your traumas or just your simple insecurities and weaponise them to be mean to people you don't know over the internet, people who might deal with similar or worse situations, that's still an active choice you make, an actual investment of your time spent to spreading your crap on the net, and you need to grow up, find a different outlet for your frustrations (maybe counseling?) or just stop being a dick.
In the context of this forum, that would mean maybe not going out of your way to antagonise people because they have different tastes, tastes that confront you with something you don't like. It's doing you nor anybody else any good..
And if you notice that even the remote possibility of NTR content triggers a strong emotional response in you, to the point that you lash out at people... then maybe you need to either count to ten and see if it's worth it, or take a step back from seeking refuge in playing these games and sort your shit out, talk to someone about it.
still rambling
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Completely off topic; you havent really reached sperg ascension until you have 10+ excel sheets full of bus ratios for Satisfactory or Factorio. Yeah I had a free summer.
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The game of which you speak, (with 95%+ certainty I know which one you're highlighting) caused emotional responses such as yours in myself and I daresay hundreds of others. The reason? The author lost a daughter to suicide. The 'game' is so well done not only because of its lack of reality distortion field, but the author writes in such a way to weave pleasure with pain and loss. Pain--pleasure. The two are always lurking and one doesn't happen without the other. Such is life.
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You and me sound like birds of a feather. I remember playing Eve online or "spreadsheets in space" just stopping and asking myself what am I doing. I spent literally hours trying to optimize rockets in Kerbal space program, when I could make one big dumb rocket and be done with it. Even when it comes to AVN's I got my strategy to optimize cleaning of the DIKs frat, even though it gives you a wide margin to complete it. Satisfactory is on my list but dare not download it.
I mean I kinda agree with you, I am not sold either way. I think it explains insecruities in general and how people cope or don't, but I don't think it gets to the crux of the matter. Why is NTR different? What is the variable that sets it apart? I don't know, maybe we should just stick a pin init and leave it up to the academics.
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Ab.so.lute.ly. There is no doubt. Our actions can never be totally divorced from our experiences. In my mind I have a psychological profile on the demographic and psyche of the typical gamer who gets really bent on the idea of such things as sharing, swinging, etc. ("Typical" as there are always outliers.) But if I were to post it I would get enough facepalms to break the site....heh.
What I would really, really love to do is construct a survey which would allow people to anonymously give feedback on how they tick. For example, why are there so many (and I mean a LOT) games that have MCs that are so short in stature? Males are naturally taller than females, that's just a fact, but here, one wonders what's going on. I would really like to find out why they portray males at being shorter, smaller, yet have the males treat females with contempt? I want to know!! lol
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OOOOps....Not the game I was thinking of either. Wow. I blew that one.
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Interesting, I guess I never noticed it or haven't played those games. Another thing I find interesting is the prevalence of incest in AVNs. Is that a founders effect i.e. prominent groundbreaking games featured it, so every dev feels the need to include it, or is it just reflecting society at large with the increase of sibling genre porn. Could it be an increase of single child households, so lack of aversion?
Edit: Sorry was Summertime saga main pro tag short? Then maybe I have.
Edit Edit: I did play a game where you are short ugly coach, but I thought that fit under the ugly bastard genre. Same kind of phenomenon still?
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Well, I do have poll results that clearly show that a much higher percentage of the general player base self inserts than NTR fans.I simply don't buy it. I have absolutely zero evidence or anything of substance to stand on
https://f95zone.to/threads/poll-do-...ay-games-with-a-third-person-mentality.89596/
https://f95zone.to/threads/poll-ntr-fans-self-insert-roleplay-or-third-person.86527/
If you don't self insert, you are not gonna have a lot of emotional attachment, catharsis, or anything of the sort. It's simply just dark porn, where the situations are immoral and the elements of female corruption are high. Granted, you could still empathize and feel bad for the guy without self inserting, but these types of players still enjoy NTR (at least those that are choosing to play NTR games), though I find that they tend to prefer stories where the cucked guy comes out at least OK at the end, if not outright winning in some revenge ending. They also probably enjoy netorase more than standard NTR stuff.
If you do self insert, it's obviously gonna bring out strong emotional responses. A small percentage of NTR fans do thrive on those bad feelings by self inserting as the cucked MC. They enjoy that. And obviously, the overwhelming majority of anti-NTR players who self insert will blow a fuse when stuff like that happens to "them."
Obviously, self inserting NTR haters and non-self insert NTR enjoyers don't make up the whole player base. There are non-self inserters that just don't like fucked up stories, and the true cuck players that self insert in NTR. But clearly, at least in the NTR fandom, self inserting is the minority by a pretty big margin. It just makes sense intuitively too. Does it make more sense for people to enjoy increasingly fucked up porn stories as they get desensitized to vanilla over the years? Or do you think that the number of masochistic cuckold people in the world is high enough to explain the amount of NTR content produced and consumed? I'm thinking the former.
And before we get too sidetracked, Desert Stalker isn't really NTR or even netorase. It's just "alpha sharing" that is completely power fantasy instead of being thematically derived from cuckoldry or masochistic tendencies like in the typical netorase stories. And before someone loses it again, no, I'm not saying sharing is more alpha than not sharing in this game. It's just two ways to play the same character. MC is completely in control in both routes.
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Nice data. Really interesting the discrepancy when it came to NTR fans. Maybe if there were polls on other controversial genres we could compare them and see if this holds true. I myself fall in the roleplay category, assuming its a first person game, but I have bad habit of gaming the system and trying to find the "best" path or "winning the game." If I have access I will even look at the variables in the code change them if they are not optimum. I am also a completionist, but have been getting better. Honestly, as I get older gaming feels more like work and I do a lot less of it.
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My guess would be nostalgia mixed with wish fulfilment and wanting to validate the personality they perceive them selves to possess.
Possibly thinking of
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