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sunaboz

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People get this come and up white knighting for JUST 5 old renders?
This is not what white knighting means (and in fact you're the one doing the white knighting). We've asked a question that's been ignored until now so it's no wonder that more people were concerned. And we're concerned for a reason because this sets a precedent and shows that once it got out to the wider public devs have become more restrained for reasons unknown.

As for Paz's reply, it doesn't answer our question too well but at least it's an attempt.

This is probably me being stupid, but I’m not sure what any of this means; if it’s all right, could you please go into more detail?

How does a scene being early in the game have an impact? Zaton is sexually active with everyone, enemies and family alike, from the beginning. Are you looking to change this?
What do the angles have to do with anything? Are they just not up to your standards? What kind of thing is acceptable with some angles, but not others?
What’s risky? Getting censored by Patreon? Doesn’t changing the default relationships protect you from that? I’m not sure what the problem is, here.
What are the “wrong reasons”? Is there some content for which you’re ready to skirt Patreon regulations, and other for which you’re not?
100% this.

What difference does it make whether Ain stands next to Zahra or not when not long later we can have sex with Ain (and earlier we can piss into Asha's mouth for example)?

Some of these people have no lives.
Says a guy with over 1400 posts (posted in about a year) on a porn forum xD.
 

GetOutOfMyLab

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This is probably me being stupid, but I’m not sure what any of this means; if it’s all right, could you please go into more detail?

How does a scene being early in the game have an impact? Zaton is sexually active with everyone, enemies and family alike, from the beginning. Are you looking to change this?
What do the angles have to do with anything? Are they just not up to your standards? What kind of thing is acceptable with some angles, but not others?
What’s risky? Getting censored by Patreon? Doesn’t changing the default relationships protect you from that? I’m not sure what the problem is, here.
What are the “wrong reasons”? Is there some content for which you’re ready to skirt Patreon regulations, and other for which you’re not?
At the end of the day, what does it really matter? It was something they clearly spent some time discussing and came up with a decision they felt was best for the future of the game. Ain isn't going anywhere and a game that is "in development" always has a chance to change, like we've seen countless of times with other games on this site. Sure, it can sting a little when something we like is changed or removed, but this one... I just don't see it as being that big of a deal.
 

xapican

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With the somewhat recent Patreon review (and the then-upcoming Steam review) some time ago, that particular scene with the render angles it had could be perceived as risky -for the wrong reasons imho- as it was too early in the game, before we've had a chance to establish characters or settings.
We were a bit uncomfortable about risking our presence on those platforms (and, frankly, the existence of the game) with this small part, so after much discussion we removed it.
Thank's Paz ! that gives closure, and confirms what I was guessing, good that there is no conspirancy behind :ROFLMAO: ;)
So and now the usual question.....
Update when ?....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

muschi26

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At the end of the day, what does it really matter? It was something they clearly spent some time discussing and came up with a decision they felt was best for the future of the game. Ain isn't going anywhere and a game that is "in development" always has a chance to change, like we've seen countless of times with other games on this site. Sure, it can sting a little when something we like is changed or removed, but this one... I just don't see it as being that big of a deal.
I’d like to know for myself, to understand what they’re cutting and why they’re doing it, so that I can be informed about what else might get cut, as well as what sort of content I can expect to see or not see in the future, so I can adjust my expectations accordingly.

I understand why you don’t think it’s a big deal—a few deleted scenes don’t mean much, in the grand scheme of things—but the thought process behind the cuts? That’s the thought process behind the whole game. That’s a huge deal; at least, it is to me.
 

Cynicaladm

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This is probably me being stupid, but I’m not sure what any of this means; if it’s all right, could you please go into more detail?

How does a scene being early in the game have an impact? Zaton is sexually active with everyone, enemies and family alike, from the beginning. Are you looking to change this?
What do the angles have to do with anything? Are they just not up to your standards? What kind of thing is acceptable with some angles, but not others?
What’s risky? Getting censored by Patreon? Doesn’t changing the default relationships protect you from that? I’m not sure what the problem is, here.
What are the “wrong reasons”? Is there some content for which you’re ready to skirt Patreon regulations, and other for which you’re not?
Some of you might have missed it, but only a few months ago, Patreon got in a huff and banned/blocked the account (And relative monetization) for this game. Reasons were stated to be it violating their content policy.

As is often the case, the relevant content moderator probably never even opened the game and just hit the game based on things read on this very forum or whispered in his ear by some disgruntled asshat.

Either way, a course correction, however minimal, was deemed as necessary to show some consideration to the intimation of the Patreon people, and to be able to say we made enough modifications to fall back within the guidelines.
We needed the game to go back to flying under the radar on that platform, which constitutes, so far, the main dev's main source of income.
it was considered more prudent to not shove NSFW action with Ain in people's faces in one of the first hot scenes of the game.
Will a day come when the game will have its revenue stream spread across multiple platforms enough to be able to give one of them the finger if they impose limitations? we will have to wait and see.
Maybe, in that case, a revisit to that particular scene could be considered.
Until then, the scene is as you see it.
That said, you people should be happy about all the good stuff that did remain in the game, which is most everything else.
The panic inducing block could have meant axing a whole bunch of potentially controversial content, and it didn't.

There are no further cuts planned, which is not to say that a potential rework of a scene, if DS deems it necessary for quality purposes, might not change minor details or flavours in said scene... no guarantees on that can and will be given at this time, but there is no immediately apparent need for any of that, nor is there some kind of plot going on to soften or normalise the game to some standard one or the other player might not agree with.

We still mean to act as freely as we like in creating the content and giving it context, but we do live in the real world, and if those 5 renders, with the implication in world and character building are so important to you, I suggest to play that particular scene on an old version of the game, or just look in the image folder of said version and put it on your screen as a wallpaper.
The freedom to be as out there and outrageous as we might like does come with some, sometimes self imposed, boundaries, and is not any stronger than the freedom to be less outrageous if we feel it's better for the story, the game, the overall product. The patrons of the game understand that this freedom is also freedom from the preference of one or the other contributor, or fan of the game.
 
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I think this whole thing is blown out of proportions :HideThePain:
Anyhow, I hope my answer satisfies you because that's all I can provide.



With the somewhat recent Patreon review (and the then-upcoming Steam review) some time ago, that particular scene with the render angles it had could be perceived as risky -for the wrong reasons imho- as it was too early in the game, before we've had a chance to establish characters or settings.
We were a bit uncomfortable about risking our presence on those platforms (and, frankly, the existence of the game) with this small part, so after much discussion we removed it.

Could it make an appearance again in the future? It's likely, but not in the exact form it was.
That's all there is to it. No grand conspiracy or something.

As for the dynamics, I agree it showed them nicely but we do have plenty of other scenes showing it, so the overall feeling is not lost imho.


I personally wasn't deflecting or anything, simply answered to a person that pretty much said "I fear they will slowly remove Ain from the game" that is this not the case.

See above, no excuse or anything, just a fact that adding more renders of Ain is pretty much evidence that we don't plan to remove her or whatever.

And in any case, if we wanted or were forced to remove her entirely, we certainly wouldn't do it 2 renders at a time. That would take ages.
Paz On the subject of story adjustments, I'm glad that Ivy's stay at Zaton's home was changed. It always seemed weirdly out of place to rescue her and immediately throw her into a cage leaving the shotgun collar on her. It made even less sense with how Ivy begins to trust him after. So I like that it was changed to Zahra removing her collar and they keep her in an unlocked cell with a bunch of food. Makes it seem far less antagonistic so that Ivy's eventual trust doesn't seem out of place.

With that said, d4b still some dialogue that references Ain "causing the elf to escape", so it was a bit confusing at first. Though this is one of the scenes that is still pending a rework, so I'm guessing the dialogue will be corrected at that point?
 

Paz

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With that said, d4b still some dialogue that references Ain "causing the elf to escape", so it was a bit confusing at first. Though this is one of the scenes that is still pending a rework, so I'm guessing the dialogue will be corrected at that point?
Yeah, we thought we amended all the text to reflect this but apparently some bits and pieces escaped.
 

fabulous007

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There are no further cuts planned, which is not to say that a potential rework of a scene, if DS deems it necessary for quality purposes, might not change minor details or flavours in said scene... no guarantees on that can and will be given at this time, but there is no immediately apparent need for any of that, nor is there some kind of plot going on to soften or normalise the game to some standard one or the other player might not agree with.
I think that's what a lot of people wanted to hear. Of course there are things outside of your control so nothing can be guaranteed, but personally I think it's nice to know that's the team's mindset for now.
 
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muschi26

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Some of you might have missed it, but only a few months ago, Patreon got in a huff and banned/blocked the account (And relative monetization) for this game. Reasons were stated to be it violating their content policy.

As is often the case, the relevant content moderator probably never even opened the game and just hit the game based on things read on this very forum or whispered in his ear by some disgruntled asshat.

Either way, a course correction, however minimal, was deemed as necessary to show some consideration to the intimation of the Patreon people, and to be able to say we made enough modifications to fall back within the guidelines.
We needed the game to go back to flying under the radar on that platform, which constitutes, so far, the main dev's main source of income.
it was considered more prudent to not shove NSFW action with Ain in people's faces in one of the first hot scenes of the game.
Will a day come when the game will have its revenue stream spread across multiple platforms enough to be able to give one of them the finger if they impose limitations? we will have to wait and see.
Maybe, in that case, a revisit to that particular scene could be considered.
Until then, the scene is as you see it.
That said, you people should be happy about all the good stuff that did remain in the game, which is most everything else.
The panic inducing block could have meant axing a whole bunch of potentially controversial content, and it didn't.

There are no further cuts planned, which is not to say that a potential rework of a scene, if DS deems it necessary for quality purposes, might not change minor details or flavours in said scene... no guarantees on that can and will be given at this time, but there is no immediately apparent need for any of that, nor is there some kind of plot going on to soften or normalise the game to some standard one or the other player might not agree with.

We still mean to act as freely as we like in creating the content and giving it context, but we do live in the real world, and if those 5 renders, with the implication in world and character building are so important to you, I suggest to play that particular scene on an old version of the game, or just look in the image folder of said version and put it on your screen as a wallpaper.
The freedom to be as out there and outrageous as we might like does come with some, sometimes self imposed, boundaries, and is not any stronger than the freedom to be less outrageous if we feel it's better for the story, the game, the overall product. The patrons of the game understand that this freedom is also freedom from the preference of one or the other contributor, or fan of the game.
All right, thank you for the clear answer.

God forbid I ever use that many passives in anything I write, though. XD
 

dolfe67

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We needed the game to go back to flying under the radar on that platform, which constitutes, so far, the main dev's main source of income.
Good answer and thank you for the explanation. You mean Patreon, right? Because there is also a SS, and while not everyone can or will switch from patreon to SS, that could be the main source of income without losing too much. Some successful devs are only on SS and for now they don't seem to censor anything
 

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I think this whole thing is blown out of proportions :HideThePain:
Anyhow, I hope my answer satisfies you because that's all I can provide.



With the somewhat recent Patreon review (and the then-upcoming Steam review) some time ago, that particular scene with the render angles it had could be perceived as risky -for the wrong reasons imho- as it was too early in the game, before we've had a chance to establish characters or settings.
We were a bit uncomfortable about risking our presence on those platforms (and, frankly, the existence of the game) with this small part, so after much discussion we removed it.

Could it make an appearance again in the future? It's likely, but not in the exact form it was.
That's all there is to it. No grand conspiracy or something.

As for the dynamics, I agree it showed them nicely but we do have plenty of other scenes showing it, so the overall feeling is not lost imho.


I personally wasn't deflecting or anything, simply answered to a person that pretty much said "I fear they will slowly remove Ain from the game" that is this not the case.

See above, no excuse or anything, just a fact that adding more renders of Ain is pretty much evidence that we don't plan to remove her or whatever.

And in any case, if we wanted or were forced to remove her entirely, we certainly wouldn't do it 2 renders at a time. That would take ages.
Reasonable. It'd be cool if someone could release a mod l8r to include both new and old removed content.
 

Cynicaladm

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Good answer and thank you for the explanation. You mean Patreon, right? Because there is also a SS, and while not everyone can or will switch from patreon to SS, that could be the main source of income without losing too much. Some successful devs are only on SS and for now they don't seem to censor anything
Looking at the numbers, Patreon holds the Lion share of the contributions. Part of keeping your customers happy is also not making it difficult for said costumers to remain... Well... Your customers.
Asking people to change platform when they might be tied to however many other patreons on the current one is a sure way to lose a noticeable chunk of them.
 

kiziero

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Do u guys get the no more content sign that we used to get?I think i finished the content on this update but i still havent got that sign
 

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1734214113718.png says i need to go to the queen but there no option to go to the palace and i spam sleep for more then 10 times and still not working lol.
 
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