Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.18.0 Beta] [Zetan]

[Gato21]

That too, i agree.

That scene when with Zetan and Shani looking out into the desert at night, that was better cinematography than many movies. I would be curious see what kind of team they have. I couldn't find anything in the credits, but if it's a one man show, that is seriously impressive. It's one thing to be good at animation or writing, but both?

 

[Cynicaladm]

Are you making the claim that it's intellectually dishonest that it's sharing, ntr, cuckoldry from a male-centric view, while not from a female? Than yes I agree with you, to a certain extent. However, it is a male power fantasy with all the related tropes set in a fairly defined world. Do I think we get hyper focused on the NTR hate train, etc? Yes, I do. However, you have to admit, when these constant discussions keep cropping up they derail and sap any other kind of thoughtful discussion. I keep seeing people's fetish inserted in a framework where it doesn't quite mesh. Call it gatekeeping, whatever, but I just wish we could get back to more game design/narrative, what have you, related discussions that we all could enjoy.

My observation is generic and not game specific. I see this happen pretty much everywhere.. Even in games where the tags ntr is actually (and correctly) displayed.

I think it goes both ways and people are too butthurt to just let the subject lie when it's not even part of the conversation. How many games in their infancy have posts like "at least it doesn't have...." Or "but does it have...?" In the angry/worries tones of somebody who sees the mere possibility as a personal insult, or its possible presence as the linchpin of what a game must, or must not happen at all costs...
Stuff like rape/non consent happens in 9 games out of 10 (yes, if you got your mommy drunk so you could grope her in her sleep it's still rape). Beastiality ? Hardly anyone bats an eye and most people at most say they're not interested and move on.
Alien tentacle porn? Vanilla!
Morally objectionable behaviour and straight up criminal behaviour? Sure..
None of those subjects ever devolve into such acrimonious name-calling and vitriol...
But this one does, and I genuinely don't get it.

I'm not into it either (at least not on the receiving end).. but I can't help forming an opinion about people on either side of the fence who feel the need to launch crusades and often make some dumb or cringe-worthy arguments.. I wish it would stop.
I mean... It will probably happen again the next time we put something "objectionable" in, and it sure livens the thread up, but.. Meh... boring!
As you said, there should be more interesting points to debate..
Luckily, that too happens, occasionally.. More often in this threads than I see elsewhere, which warms the cold shriveled peanut that passes for my heart.

 

[Cynicaladm]

That scene when with Zetan and Shani looking out into the desert at night, that was better cinematography than many movies. I would be curious see what kind of team they have. I couldn't find anything in the credits, but if it's a one man show, that is seriously impressive. It's one thing to be good and animation or writing, but both?

ZetanDS is the main creator of the game.. The scene you refer to was in the game before I joined the project.. One of the reasons that made me reach out to him, actually.
He's pretty good with understanding story and injecting philosophical themes in it (even if sometimes we but heads about both).. And the graphics speak for themselves, he improves with every release.
I mostly polish the writing/dialogues, and Paz does a lot of work on the code and some Photoshop.
My main focus is world building and trying to have the character speak in individual voices. The library is my personal playpen.
Z more often than not makes the scenes and then we debate them halfway through, or even at the end when we fine-tune the dialogues. Occasionally we debate them in advance. We get a fair bit of help from patrons who enjoy troubleshooting and proofreading.

ZetanDS could probably make the game all by himself, if he took enough time with every release

 

[Gato21]

My observation is generic and not game specific. I see this happen pretty much everywhere.. Even in games where the tags ntr is actually (and correctly) displayed.

I think it goes both ways and people are too butthurt to just let the subject lie when it's not even part of the conversation. How many games in their infancy have posts like "at least it doesn't have...." Or "but does it have...?" I'm the either angry tones of somebody who sees the mere possibility as a personal insult, or its possible presence as the linchpin of what a game must, or must not happen at all costs...
Stuff like rape/non consent happens in 9 games out of 10 (yes, if you got your mommy drunk so you could grope her in her sleep it's rape). beastiality ? Hardly anyone bats an eyelid and most people at most say they're not interested and move on. Alien tentacle porn? Vanilla!
Morally objectionable behaviour and straight up criminal behaviour? Sure..
None of those subjects ever devolve into such acrimonious name-calling and vitriol...
But this one does, and I genuinely don't get it.
I'm not into it either (at least not in the receiving end).. but I can't help forming an opinion about people on either side of the fence who feel the need to launch crusades and often make some dumb or cringe-worthy arguments.. I wish it would stop.
I mean... It will probably happen again the next time we put something "objectionable" in, and it sure livens the thread up, but.. Meh... boring!
As you said, there should be more interesting points to debate..
Luckily, that too happens, occasionally.. More often in this threads than I see elsewhere, which warms the cold shriveled peanut that passes for my heart.

You do kind of have a point NTR does seem to attract more name calling and hostility, and honestly I can't really think of any other fetish that is treated like that. Maybe Loli? Rape? I dunno. I really don't play any games with really weird niche genres, maybe it's different? I just don't like when people ask does it have X? Without checking the tags or "man I wish so and so would fuck" when logically or thematically there isn't a shot in hell.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

My observation is generic and not game specific. I see this happen pretty much everywhere.. Even in games where the tags ntr is actually (and correctly) displayed.

I think it goes both ways and people are too butthurt to just let the subject lie when it's not even part of the conversation. How many games in their infancy have posts like "at least it doesn't have...." Or "but does it have...?" I'm the either angry tones of somebody who sees the mere possibility as a personal insult, or its possible presence as the linchpin of what a game must, or must not happen at all costs...
Stuff like rape/non consent happens in 9 games out of 10 (yes, if you got your mommy drunk so you could grope her in her sleep it's rape). beastiality ? Hardly anyone bats an eyelid and most people at most say they're not interested and move on. Alien tentacle porn? Vanilla!
Morally objectionable behaviour and straight up criminal behaviour? Sure..
None of those subjects ever devolve into such acrimonious name-calling and vitriol...
But this one does, and I genuinely don't get it.
I'm not into it either (at least not in the receiving end).. but I can't help forming an opinion about people on either side of the fence who feel the need to launch crusades and often make some dumb or cringe-worthy arguments.. I wish it would stop.
I mean... It will probably happen again the next time we put something "objectionable" in, and it sure livens the thread up, but.. Meh... boring!
As you said, there should be more interesting points to debate..
Luckily, that too happens, occasionally.. More often in this threads than I see elsewhere, which warms the cold shriveled peanut that passes for my heart.

You are absolutely correct...although I'm not sure it equally goes both ways. As you note later, there don't seem to be many brigades launched to object to rape, or incest, or harems...it's really just one or two things...I'm beyond sick of it...especially when it comes to having to clean 0.1s of it. At least I know Zetan won't be influenced by the vagaries of message boards.

 

[Gato21]

ZetanDS is the main creator of the game.. The scene you refer to was in the game before I joined the project.. One of the reasons that made me reach out to him, actually.
He's pretty good with understanding story and injecting philosophical themes in it (even if sometimes we but heads about both).. And the graphics speak for themselves, he improves with every release.
I mostly polish the writing/dialogues, and Paz does a lot of work on the code and some Photoshop.
My main focus is world building and trying to have the character speak in individual voices. The library is my personal playpen.
Z more often than not makes the scenes and then we debate them halfway through, or even at the end when we fine-tune the dialogues. Occasionally we debate them in advance. We get a fair bit of help from patrons who enjoy troubleshooting and proofreading.

ZetanDS could probably make the game all by himself, if he took enough time with every release

I mean one could argue for full control of one's work, but it must be nice to bounce ideas off one another and to share the workload. Fans certainly appreciate the faster turn around. Anyways, you guys are making an excellent game.
Sorry, if I come across combative, I obviously am invested in the story. I don't think my biases are driving my argument, but maybe others might argue differently. I would like to think if were something else I would make the same line of reasoning.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Stuff like rape/non consent happens in 9 games out of 10 (yes, if you got your mommy drunk so you could grope her in her sleep it's still rape). Beastiality ? Hardly anyone bats an eye and most people at most say they're not interested and move on.
Alien tentacle porn? Vanilla!
Morally objectionable behaviour and straight up criminal behaviour? Sure..
None of those subjects ever devolve into such acrimonious name-calling and vitriol...
But this one does, and I genuinely don't get it.

Sure you do. Purely as a thought exercise, imagine the core demographic of many of these games.

Now, of that hypothetical group, further imagine what proportion have had sexual experiences which were undesired by them. Or picture how many have suffered significantly as a result of criminal behavior.

Ok, now imagine what proportion have had experiences feeling routinely picked over by women and not being in the winner's circle.

If only one of the aforementioned is relatable to this hypothetical group, it's not surprising which of the slights when portrayed (or even alluded to) in fiction elicit the strongest reaction.

 

[Gato21]

Sure you do. Purely as a thought exercise, imagine the core demographic of many of these games.

Now, of that hypothetical group, further imagine what proportion have had sexual experiences which were undesired by them. Or picture how many have suffered significantly as a result of criminal behavior.

Ok, now imagine what proportion have had experiences feeling routinely picked over by women and not being in the winner's circle.

If only one of the aforementioned is relatable to this hypothetical group, it's not surprising which of the slights when portrayed (or even alluded to) in fiction elicit the strongest reaction.

Are you sure there is a correlation? Honestly not trying to be a contrarian, but what about people who seek catharsis in a work of art that have had those experiences? I think people are too different in how they interact and even process their experiences to make a generalization like that, but maybe I am wrong.

Edit: Found this video

Feel free to delete if you think it is veering off topic, but I found it interesting.

 

[MEDO. XX]

When will the android update be released

 

[goldenface]

Finally got the alternate Fairy scene. It was really hot and probably the better scene, but it doesn't feel right treating her like that. My canon playthrough will remain healed Fairy.

What's the alternate scene?

 

[Gato21]

What's the alternate scene?

I think he is refering to the mind-break scene, it's not in the gallery.

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[goldenface]

I think he is refering to the mind-break scene, it's not in the gallery.

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Cheers, definitely steering clear of that one lol

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Are you sure there is a correlation? Honestly not trying to be a contrarian, but what about people who seek catharsis in a work of art that have had those experiences? I think people are too different in how they interact and even process their experiences to make a generalization like that, but maybe I am wrong.

Edit: Found this video

Feel free to delete if you think it is veering off topic, but I found it interesting.

I'm not sure of anything here

Those people seeking cartharsis would fit in perfectly with my hypothesis though - you just described the very strong feelings of both the pro and anti-ntr crowd; two reactions/outcomes to the same (presumably) symptom.

I'd venture the minority here isn't those that feel strongly one way or another, rather those agnostic towards it.

 

[desmosome]

I think he is refering to the mind-break scene, it's not in the gallery.

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I feel kinda bad for mind breaking her, but I decided to remain blissfully unaware of her past so I don't feel even more sorry for her lol.

 

[desmosome]

I'm not sure of anything here

Those people seeking cartharsis would fit in perfectly with my hypothesis though - you just described the very strong feelings of both the pro and anti-ntr crowd; two reactions/outcomes to the same (presumably) symptom.

I'd venture the minority here isn't those that feel strongly one way or another, rather those agnostic towards it.

I'd wager the vast majority of NTR fans just want to fap to depraved porn without self inserting, and it has nothing to do with personal experiences for them.

And similarly, I'd guess that the majority of anti-NTR people didn't go through some traumatic experience regarding dating. A lot of them tend to self insert so it just feels bad, as expected, when MC gets shit on.

 

[Nelivan]

Game gives a chance to avoid all sex scenes with niece. But Rabiah still blames MC that he took her virginity and blah blah... is she crazy? Nadia also treats MC like old lover. WTF is wrong with that family? I just came to drink tea!

 

[Nelivan]

Maybe because they had sex before the start of the game?

No they didn't. At the market they meet first time since her childhood. Since she was a little girl with ponytails. And she offers him to get laid first time cause she's curious & old enough wild wretch

 

[WuzzyFuzzy]

I'd wager the vast majority of NTR fans just want to fap to depraved porn without self inserting, and it has nothing to do with personal experiences for them.

And similarly, I'd guess that the majority of anti-NTR people didn't go through some traumatic experience regarding dating. A lot of them tend to self insert so it just feels bad, as expected, when MC gets shit on.

You've touched on something I've previously written about, what I call first person vs third person participation in these games(?).

It was a bit of a surprise to me when I first came to this forum that so many participate/play in these novels and "self insert". The reason I say that is after reading hundreds of books across decades, I never found myself thinking to be the protagonist. I might cheer for them, root against them, believe in their cause, wish them harm, etc, but never do I take upon myself the persona of the character (or characters). So I approach these games the same. I don't become the MC. I don't derive satisfaction from accomplishing a task or goal as I would in a video game that is designed to be beaten or conquered. These AVNs are more like a book. I typically follow all the routes and see how things are written. Is it a believable premise? What circumstances occurred to cause certain reactions and behaviors. So I don't get wound up over a sharing, swinging scene. If the MC is written to be a douche, I may derive some degree of pleasure manipulating him or her to be treated poorly which sometimes includes cheating or cuckolding. (And I would submit, there is cuckolding in every game that has the "cheat" tag on it.)

But I realize there are those that self insert, play first person, and they get really wound up as they are more emotionally invested than someone like me. I don't really mind that, to each their own, except when those emotions aren't controlled, other play styles aren't accepted, and the negativity starts. I also realize this place is extremely sexist in general which, given my age and the false assumption of how progressive I thought other areas of the world to be, also really surprised me. (Touched upon by Cynicaladm in a previous post.)

Epilogue....

Cynicaladm I wanted to mention your last few posts (on this page) are excellent commentary which I suspect are borne from someone who's been around the block a time or two. Thank you for your insight.

 

[Wildehilde]

Terrible update.

The author is clearly tired.
I'm ending his support on patreon.

You would be tired too if you worked on a game for 3 years with barely a break in between.
Give him some rest he deserved it.

 

[Cynicaladm]

WuzzyFuzzy, thank you for your kind words.
I'm one of them Xennials who are usually overlooked in the generation narrative.. we are old enough to have played outside until it got dark with minimal parental oversight and to have had our formative years and tastes in fiction shaped by books, but young enough to where my first videogame were space invaders, frogger and pacman, and my first instance at swearing at a computer was playing the original Prince of Persia.
In general, I find that people in that small age group are supposed to dislike the millennials and the boomers in equal measure , and gen Z should just stay away from our lawns..(Except we don't have a lawn because we got fucked over both ways by the economy) or at least that's how I believe we should present ourself if we want to stick to the tags that we are handed out by society.

In all of the playthroughs in every one of these games I ever played, I named the main character Burt Reynolds, and no, I don't self insert either, which is not to say I can't get emotional about these games.. there have been a select few that have made me feel in ways I didn't expect I would... Ideally I would like this game to also bring that to a few people, but that's such a personal and intimate reaction that provoking it artificially might just be a roll of the dice.
Generally speaking, I look in these games pretty much for the same kind of content that I would be interested in finding if I were to look for porn, and I assume this counts for most people.
And my tastes are definitely also framed by actual experience first, and wish fulfillment second (no, I am not saying that is how it should be, just that that's how it works for me).
I am one of those weirdos who like 70's and 80's porn because it often came with a plot and some attempt at a narrative, and if it was a costumed affair, the 17th century wench actually looked like one rather than a tattooed and pierced plastic inflatable stuck in a carnival costume...which have their own appeal, just not in a period piece.

I am rambling.