DEVELOPER, PAUSED !!! ... Why there's so many bad sex scene game ?

[Benn Swagger]

Forget those teasing bastards who keep delaying sex scene. I'm here to discuss games that has actual vaginal-anal sex scene. Blowjob, Handjob, Footjob ... or anything beside vaginal-anal sex scene aren't included.

Now, there's only a very selective few that can give satisfying sex scene. Both slider/static and animated sex scene. Now, why is this happening and keep happening ? Are they lacked of watching porn ? Are Daz (for Daz user) limiting this ?

Honey Select (Illusion Poser) games rarely had this problem, because the delicious sex pose already in the game as main asset. But this low quality sex scene are happening, nearly all of them, on games using DAZ asset. WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?

As former pro 3D animator using 3ds Max, I find posing aren't that hard, even though I'm not expert in posing as my specialty is on environment and special effect. So I find it's so weird that many games are failed and keep failing to deliver, at least minimum, satisfying vaginal sex scene. What kind of feed back our beloved developer need ? What kind of helping they require ?

Just stop making shitty sex scene ! ... we can compromise/tolerance your shitty story, but please not the sex scene ! FFS !

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So, what's your thought ? Are you okay with it ?

 

[Thrownaway13]

 

[Deleted member 54063]

 

[DarthSeduction]

Personally, I'm picky about the games I play in the first place. I'm usually satisfied by the sex scenes. So I don't know, maybe you're just picking shit games.

 

[ThanatosX]

You need 3 things to make a game; art, programming and writing. Some people are good at more than one, rare to find all 3.

If you don't like the game no one is forcing you to play it. Natural selection picks off the weaker ones anyway. Just need an abandoned section where they can go to rest and not keep bumping into the real ones finished or in development.

 

[IM6]

You can't really compare the effort of a single developer or small development team to an Illusion game. Illusion is a company that's been working on the AAA level of adult games. That's like trying to compare a newgrounds game to Final Fantasy.

Looping animation is kind of a way of life due to time constraints (the many hours it takes to render out even 60 frames). Even larger productions that have successfully monetized/branded make near exclusive use of the technique (LOP, vdategames, etc.) Porn games rarely have the same development/animation bandwidth as Pixar.

 

[9thCrux]

 

[The-real-Vastitas]

Illusion is a company that's been working on the AAA level of adult games.

...and yet I rather play games from a small team or single developer...

You need 3 things to make a game; art, programming and writing

...that goes for triple A games as well...the animations might be second happiness level but the games themselves well...let's just say none of it is close to personal preference and leave it at that.

Looping animation is kind of a way of life due to time constraints

...true words right here...the question is...does one create 10 to 20 looping animations ( 8 frames in my case) per update or one or max two 200 frame once that are awesome ( it doesn't matter if it's Daz, honeyselect or drawn art)...if you ain't planing to be on the same game 5 to 10 years later one has to make compromises. If however a game is successful with 20k per month support...that's another ball game as it isn't hard to find capable artists eager to work on commission. Quality of art aside like a good erotic book the story should raise the level of interest as it is the main difference to good old porn...

Personally, I'm picky about the games I play in the first place. I'm usually satisfied by the sex scenes.

...which is why this goes for me too.

 

[Benn Swagger]

People, WAKE UP !!! ... why you defending them ?

In real professional world, when your rival producing something, you should felt on fire as your blood is boiled. You want to make something more better then your rival and beat them at market. I find it odd that in this community, "Shit breeding more Shit".

Another matter ... I'm not comparing them with Illusion. Do you think you have to be a big company to make a good sex scene ? Is this you people logic ? ... "Oh, this Dev is only 1 man. If he making ugly sex scene, I'm okay with it."

What the hell the relation between able to posing sex scene with resource ?
I'm talking about talent, gift and skill. Not money.

COMMON SENSE :
My 1st brother is good making sculpture, so he make sculpture as main job. My 2nd brother is good at marketing, so he work in ads company. If they switch up job, of course they became a fool.

Once, I visit a very nice looking restaurant. The place has nice decoration and had pianist play classic music at noon, and DJ at night. But when I taste the menu, it taste so bland and it more expensive than other restaurant. A Restaurant main point is to offer a good food and drink, not decoration or providing good environment. Sure that help, but without good quality menus, they won't succeed.

My point is, if you can't create a better & satisfying sex scene, don't became porn games developer, simple as that. Porn Games = Sex Scene.

Due note : Do not mixed with Erotica Games genre. In that genre, story more important and sex scene is just additional. That's why games like The Witcher isn't called as Porn games. It's an RPG with Erotic/Nudity content.

 

[Semeicardia]

People, WAKE UP !!! ... why you defending them ?

In real professional world, when your rival producing something, you should felt on fire as your blood is boiled. You want to make something more better then your rival and beat them at market. I find it odd that in this community, "Shit breeding more Shit".

That is the thing though, a lot of the games you see developed are not developed by professionals, but individuals or small group trying their hand at making games

Another matter ... I'm not comparing them with Illusion. Do you think you have to be a big company to make a good sex scene ? Is this you people logic ? ... "Oh, this Dev is only 1 man. If he making ugly sex scene, I'm okay with it."

Stop playing unfinished games or games made by small teams and only play games made by professionals. And it is not really anyone being okay with porn games having bad porn. It's about understanding what the developer is trying to do despite their lacking skills.

What the hell the relation between able to posing sex scene with resource ?
I'm talking about talent, gift and skill. Not money.

More money = more access to better and higher quality assets and programs.
True that without any talent or skill, that will not mean much, but when you first start out as a hobbyist game designer making your own art, not having money to purchase assets means bad quality.

COMMON SENSE :
My 1st brother is good making sculpture, so he make sculpture as main job. My 2nd brother is good at marketing, so he work in ads company. If they switch up job, of course they became a fool.

Your argument is not necessarily true. Your first brother could very well be good at marketing but not have had proper training nor a desire or knowledge, but have a gift for it regardless.
Your second brother might be very creative and marketing people usually are, so going into sculpting might actually not prove that difficult for him, even though he does not know how to use the tools.

Once, I visit a very nice looking restaurant. The place has nice decoration and had pianist play classic music at noon, and DJ at night. But when I taste the menu, it taste so bland and it more expensive than other restaurant. A Restaurant main point is to offer a good food and drink, not decoration or providing good environment. Sure that help, but without good quality menus, they won't succeed.

Restaurants does not sell you food, they sell you dinning experiences. Did you try everything on the menu? Maybe everything else had a wonderful taste. And true a nice leather-bound menu does make the restaurant look professional, I would say the food items on the menu is what matters, not the menus themselves. Again we know nothing about the restaurant other than what you told us about your limited experience with them. It could also have been that their regular chef was sick and the substitution sadly delivered a poor dish you on that day and that their regular chef could have made you happy.

My point is, if you can't create a better & satisfying sex scene, don't became porn games developer, simple as that. Porn Games = Sex Scene.

How do you expect people to get better if you do not allow them to practice?
According to your logic there can only be 1 person in each field of work, since if you can not create something better you might as well quit. One car mechanic in the world = long wait time on repairs.
Your expectations might be set too high I think.

Due note : Do not mixed with Erotica Games genre. In that genre, story more important and sex scene is just additional. That's why games like The Witcher isn't called as Porn games. It's an RPG with Erotic/Nudity content.

I agree that there is a difference between a porn game and an erotic game or a game with erotic content.

 

[The-real-Vastitas]

I agree that there is a difference between a porn game and an erotic game or a game with erotic content.

I can agree on that too but that does not mean it should hurt to scroll through the text that's been offered but maybe I am the odd one out fancying more than a well done sex animation in order to call porn...a game.

when your rival producing something, you should felt on fire as your blood is boiled

That might be true for some developers that go after the money instead of creating something that they actually like themselves but as Semeicardia stated correctly...

a lot of the game you see developed are not developed by professionals

...while mostly free especially here on F95 you should calm down and do not take any of it too seriously...that said a creative mind always strives to get better don't worry about it I am sure especially with a lot support the guy/gal that pressures him/her the most is always the developer/artist him/herself.

 

[Semeicardia]

I can agree on that too but that does not mean it should hurt to scroll through the text that's been offered but maybe I am the odd one out fancying more than a well done sex animation in order to call porn...a game.

I whole-heatedly agree, as a writer myself, I value well-written text much higher than images / animations. Describe to me what the characters feels, show me what they do.

That might be true for some developers that go after the money instead of creating something that they actually like themselves

Their content will show their lack of passion.

...while mostly free especially here on F95 you should calm down and do not take any of it too seriously...that said a creative mind always strives to get better don't worry about it I am sure especially with a lot support the guy/gal that pressures him/her the most is always the developer/artist him/herself.

I agree. As a writer myself and content creator myself, I have trashed so many of my own paragraphs / sections / chapters / stories because I felt they were not good enough while someone might have said they were amazing.
Again, it depends on what your motivation for content creation is. For me it is about sharing an experience and if I feel I can not deliver it, I will not share it. If I were in it for the money, I would just deliver a product and be done with it.

 

[DarthSeduction]

People, WAKE UP !!! ... why you defending them ?

In real professional world, when your rival producing something, you should felt on fire as your blood is boiled. You want to make something more better then your rival and beat them at market. I find it odd that in this community, "Shit breeding more Shit".

Another matter ... I'm not comparing them with Illusion. Do you think you have to be a big company to make a good sex scene ? Is this you people logic ? ... "Oh, this Dev is only 1 man. If he making ugly sex scene, I'm okay with it."

What the hell the relation between able to posing sex scene with resource ?
I'm talking about talent, gift and skill. Not money.

COMMON SENSE :
My 1st brother is good making sculpture, so he make sculpture as main job. My 2nd brother is good at marketing, so he work in ads company. If they switch up job, of course they became a fool.

Once, I visit a very nice looking restaurant. The place has nice decoration and had pianist play classic music at noon, and DJ at night. But when I taste the menu, it taste so bland and it more expensive than other restaurant. A Restaurant main point is to offer a good food and drink, not decoration or providing good environment. Sure that help, but without good quality menus, they won't succeed.

My point is, if you can't create a better & satisfying sex scene, don't became porn games developer, simple as that. Porn Games = Sex Scene.

Due note : Do not mixed with Erotica Games genre. In that genre, story more important and sex scene is just additional. That's why games like The Witcher isn't called as Porn games. It's an RPG with Erotic/Nudity content.

K, I'm going to say this in as few words as possible. If you don't like the sex scenes in a game, don't play it or support it. It's that simple. I can't think of a single game I tell people to play that doesn't have pretty good sex scenes. That's the way to deal with this. There's no "shit breeding shit" if we only support the good games.

Furthermore. THERE ARE TECHNICAL LIMITATIONS TO A SMALL TEAM OR SINGLE DEVELOPER. Seriously. It's taken my artist 3 days just to build the beach for my game. It's fucking amazing. And its a huge render that will take a lot of space because of it. We aren't rendering in engine on most of these games, which means that the file sizes are huge and it's difficult to get a system to render them without frying. We are doing awesome shit considering the scale. Sit back and enjoy or do it yourself.

Don't you dare sit on a high horse and tell people what is and isn't possible given the time and manpower constraints. You wanna be harsh on Dark Silver for not spending some money to get a team to do some great animations, go for it, that makes sense. But most games aren't making Dark Silver money. So if you don't like it, ignore the game.

 

[lexx228]

People, WAKE UP !!!
What the hell the relation between able to posing sex scene with resource ?
I'm talking about talent, gift and skill. Not money.

Wake up, man! In a world where a graphics card costs more than a thousand dollars? You can be a great artist and writer , but without money you can do only low-grade shit
the animation is a different story altogether,with a budget of two cans of beer can't do much)))) graphics even in games on the forum is now better than in many films of 90" with millions fees
claims can only be to the games with money of more than 20 thousand without the development of the plot and scenes,such games are not many/with that income, I'd do this better or buy a new car:biggrin:
sorry my engrish:confounded:

 

[IM6]

You know the phrase "be the change you want to see in the world?"

You're welcome to. Good luck rendering even a 5 minute 60 fps scene without any loops. Hope you've got 6 Titan Xps and a week with nothing better to do.

 

[Benn Swagger]

Guys, I'm not criticize their overall quality. What I'm really criticize in this thread is only their vision and imagination of sex posing / animation. Forgive if I'm strayed from my original intent, if any. I'm not discuss the quality of render, the lack of resource/money to buy better graphic cards, the lack of human resource for quick developing. I'm not criticize that. Also, I'm not a fortune teller to able avoiding which has bad and which has good content. I'm just ordinary pervert gamer who browsing and downloading porn games. To say "Don't play it if you don't like it" , how the hell I know before I experience it my self, and it's true, right after I experience bad content, I do stop playing it, delete the content and mark it on my garbage game list , so I avoid replaying that game.

Now, I'm criticize their vision and imagination to create a well satisfy sex pose. Those that I'm disappointed with is like never watch porn at all. Probably I've should talk more technical detail of what I meant for. This had no anything to do with money but the talent. Of course I'm understand that all began as a Rookie, but when usually the sex happening in later version, there's no more forgiving for them.

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Bad Example (not bad quality tho...)

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If this the start of series of animation, it's a fine animation. But if you stop at this and make this as your main animation loop/content of the sex scene, then it's bad.

For the good one, it's an Avi file. Tried convert it to gif, from 3mb became 29mb. So if you want to see it, just download that.
The comment for good example animation is pretty much depicted on it.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Also, I'm not a fortune teller to able avoiding which has bad and which has good content.

I find it's normally as simple as reading their description and then taking a look at the screens provided. If the writing in the description shows that they didn't pay much attention to detail or depth, it's probably bad overall. If the art isn't interesting in the screens It's probably not interesting overall. You can also look at the changelog and see how much they've added and tweaked in detail from them.

To say "Don't play it if you don't like it" , how the hell I know before I experience it my self, and it's true, right after I experience bad content, I do stop playing it, delete the content and mark it on my garbage game list , so I avoid replaying that game.

Except that's where most of us stop, and where you take out a thread to bash the creative teams behind what you call most games. What's worse is that you're bashing them from ignorance. I've taken out threads talking about ways to improve a game before. But in those threads It was about being constructive. Your purpose in this thread has thus far been entirely destructive.

This is boring ... unless this is the start of series picture in the sex scene. But many games stop at this step and that's pretty annoying.

That's actually really hot and you can see in her face how it makes her feel. Seriously, look at that expression. She looks like she's really enjoying it. Now, you're right, if that's the only image and it doesn't progress, then the dev was kinda lazy here.

For the good one, it's an Avi file. Tried convert it to gif, from 3mb became 29mb. So if you want to see it, just download that.
The comment for good example animation is pretty much depicted on it.

And here is what we are trying to tell you that your'e not understanding. Every single painstaking frame of that animation has to be reandered. Most small teams are lucky to put out a hundred good renders in a month. You would need multiple artists and great hardware to do this animation in a game and then still have a fulfilling monthly release.

So again

You know the phrase "be the change you want to see in the world?"

If you're going to sit here on a high horse and judge what's worthy and unworthy, submit yourself for judgement. Lets see you give us the quality you're talking about month to month. I'm waiting.

 

[VNorth]

For the good one, it's an Avi file. Tried convert it to gif, from 3mb became 29mb. So if you want to see it, just download that.
The comment for good example animation is pretty much depicted on it.

Thank you for word the good but quality is very bad :noexpression:
3 Mb and 30 sec that's not good idea =)
Here is the original quality and 1 extra animation 32 seconds 16 MB

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[VNorth]

Ahegao this is bug or it is feature? :closedeyesmile: I think this is not a very new problem for dev:test:

 

[a meme]

They're working with DAZ3D, so they have to render still images or a sequence of stills for "animation". Then there's the quite big issue that people who spend their time playing and making porn games usually haven't had sex in real life.