Yeah, there you go, make assumptions about the community based on your preconceived notions. Most of the devs I know are married. So... guess you don't know what you're talking about after all.
DEVELOPER, PAUSED !!! ... Why there's so many bad sex scene game ?
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I didn't say they could all write. As for the horsecock thing, its called wish fulfillment. Grow up.
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Watch some porn these days and you know where that is coming from...as everything in games that may be subject to some exaggeration as well...anyways if you want to speculate about a developers love life you might wanna start a new thread...as darthseduction already said in most cases you are nowhere near truth with that statement,
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concerning animation...
I can only say porn can be an inspiration for pose and ankle but as life often is it's limiting...pov for example can and should be enhanced in games so as a starting point porn may help but without imagination a scene won't differ from the next pretty fast.
That is the real issue at least to me...if for example a comic is well written I can look past art that may not be to my liking...never the other way around.
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The same question can be asked to you, why this obsession with the quality of the sex scenes ? Why not targeting the games with bad CG, stupid story, dumb dialogs ?
Honestly, most of the time I don't know what's the quality of the sex scenes in the games I play. I'm 47 years old, I had a lot of sex in my life, but I'm probably not able to say that "this" is a realist sex scene or not ; it's just that, you know, when I do it, I have other things to do that trying to analyze every single moves.
So yes, are the sex scenes of the game I'm playing, realists or not ? I don't know, and I don't care. What matter for me, is that it trigger my imagination and let my fantasies running wild. As long as the said sex scenes aren't completely stupids or unrealistic it's good enough for me.
I'm more concerned by unbelievable stories, and even more by dialog lines which make you cry in terror while they are supposed to be sexy ; and I don't talk about bad English. This, is a pleasure breaker, not the quality of sex scenes. And when I want to see realistic sex scenes, because sometimes it happen, then I watch a porn movie instead of playing a game.
Yes, it's parts of empathy. We indulge more when it's an amateur working alone, than when it's a full professional team.
Yeah, you're talking about something that you have or not. But here's the truth, when you don't have it, you need money to pay someone who have it. And people able to do realistic sex scenes will cost you a ton shit of money.
Well, a game main point is to offer an enjoyable playing time, not realistic sex scenes. Sure that it help, but without a good story, writing and game play, they won't succeed.
This said, here it's a question of personal taste, and also a question of biology/mind.
The fact that you didn't liked the food doesn't mean that the restaurant isn't a success. It tasted bland for you, alright. But why putting the blame on the restaurant ? It can also be your taste buds which aren't sensible enough, and you missed the subtleties of foods that a lot of other people enjoy.
And the same apply for sex scenes in games. Your attention to details is more developed than the average, and you are tilted by subtlety that we don't even notice when looking at a sex scene. This while others simply just don't cares of these small details
Alright, here's another truth for you: We play adult games, not necessarily porn games. Dating my daughter, Dreams of Desire, two top games both here and on Patreon. Two games which aren't porn games, two games we have a lot of reasons to play and like ; but "sex" isn't one of them.
And more than half the content of F95z fall under the "adult games" category, not under the "porn games" one.
Er... The Witcher, an erotic game ???? It's just a regular game with the possibility to romance some characters. It goes further than other games, but is still far from the content expected from an erotic game. DmD and DoD, that I took as example above, these are erotic games. I see the same amount of nudity/sensuality everyday looking TV, than I can find in The Witcher.
But, like implied above regarding personal taste, here again it's a question of perspective and point of view. In a full sexually repressed country, The Witcher will be seen as near to hardcore, while in other countries it will be what I said, a regular game. It's like regard of people concerning topless girls at the beach. It's mostly erotic, nearly pornographic, for some, and just natural without any sexual intend for others ; it just depend of the amount of casual nudity tolerated in the country.
So true. The games that don't have this are why I became a developer. To put it simply. We aren't here playing porn games because of a fetish for the uncanny valley. Instead we are here to experience something regular porn doesn't give us. Investment. To put it in perspective. I enjoy Rule 34, or for the uninitiated, "if it exists there is porn of it" usually meaning that cartoon characters and the like have porn if you know where to look. However, I can't get off to a character I don't recognize, no matter how hot the art is. However, if I find a character I like and know well, for instance Ahsoka Tano, I can get off to some pretty mediocre art.
That is what games can do as well. They can give you the same kind of emotional investment in a character that you have in a TV show or book. DmD doesn't have all the popularity it does just because of incest, it took Mr. Dots painstakingly treating us to these 2 characters lives and convincing us of their incestuous union to really get us into it. Now, Dots isn't the best at writing female characters, but he did a good enough job to simulate the feeling that D is your daughter. And that is what makes his game so erotic that despite the fact that the only penetration we've gotten so far is oral in the most recent release of ch 2. His sex scenes leave a lot to be desired usually.
So in the end. Story trumps art 10 times out of 10.
I presonnaly prefer playing a game through first personnal POV (more immersive). Most of sex scenes are too quick, with a lack of realism and without any real interaction with the character : you cannot change position, rythm by yourself. You're just watching....
Most of the time, characters are easy to f#ck and super quick horny and slutty. So, it's a bit boring. Furthermore, where are pubic hair, resistance, doubt during the intercourse, sweat, fat, normal size dicks ??? More realism please !
Most of the time, characters are easy to f#ck and super quick horny and slutty. So, it's a bit boring. Furthermore, where are pubic hair, resistance, doubt during the intercourse, sweat, fat, normal size dicks ??? More realism please !
Top models girls are too common in games (thin, huge perfect shaped boobs, big butt, big lips, standardized vagina lips...). Average girls without being some "cliches" could bring something new and realistic.
Plus, developers should bring more attention to a graduation in characters evolution.
Conventionnal game : LEVEL 1
- Hello mom, may I help you ?
- Sure my son !
Conventionnal game : LEVEL 2
- Wow mom ! You're so sexy !
- Thanks honny, but I'm a bit disturbed, I'm your mom.
Conventionnal game : STEP 3
- Mom, touch my dick and suck it !
- Of course my son, I'm you mom !
Conventionnal game : STEP 4
Intercourse : with the sluttiest and dirtiest woman you can meet, p#rnstar position, every insertion is possible, rough words...
END OF THE GAME
Most of them are like this. So boring...
Plus, developers should bring more attention to a graduation in characters evolution.
Conventionnal game : LEVEL 1
- Hello mom, may I help you ?
- Sure my son !
Conventionnal game : LEVEL 2
- Wow mom ! You're so sexy !
- Thanks honny, but I'm a bit disturbed, I'm your mom.
Conventionnal game : STEP 3
- Mom, touch my dick and suck it !
- Of course my son, I'm you mom !
Conventionnal game : STEP 4
Intercourse : with the sluttiest and dirtiest woman you can meet, p#rnstar position, every insertion is possible, rough words...
END OF THE GAME
Most of them are like this. So boring...
Poses POV still very little ready for use :test:
normal size dicks - Many poses can not be used (It will be hard to see where he put in
)Poses POV with normal size dicks is also difficult to do...
But it seems to me they are doing a big dick not for these reasons ( very big dick also... It will be hard to see where he put in, just read about it, there comes that moment when story trumps art :closedeyesmile::test
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In my book, sex scenes was the peak of the game after series of story build and teasing sexual scene. The feeling is like when watching thriller movie, waiting for plot uncovered and be surprise by it. As I mention usually sex scene were happening after later version, to finally getting sex scene but low effort or lacking skilled ... for me that is very disappointed.
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I'm not trying to dismantle our porn games developer community, I just want them to pay attention to perfection from the side of 3D graphic. I don't have the capability as story writer critics, that's not my expertise, or game platform engineer. My basic is 3D animation.
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A lot of the developers are hobbyist artists / writers / coders trying to break into the game creation scene and that is fine. The issue is people's expectations. Working a 40 to 80 hour job and then spending a majority of your free time developing a game is fine. You are a hobbyist, expectations should be as such. Especially if you have no or very little income from the game project.
I do agree that if a developer is making 5000$+ USD every month a certain quality should be expected as you would not need to work a full-time job outside of the project and as such would have a lot more time to work on the project, not to mention a lot more resources to hire artists / writers / coders and provide a better product.
So expectations towards sex-scenes should be at the level of the developer and the budget the game have. Free game from a hobbyist should not be compared to what is essentially a "AAA" porn game.
And where is that animation? You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk?
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Perhaps were you lucky, but deadline is what matter in a lot of jobs, and it matter even more when you are independent. Whatever the quality of their production, if they miss too many deadlines, they'll also loose half of their pledges.
You'll probably have difficulty to find clients if the quality of your production isn't good, but you'll surely have a real hard time to find clients if you never stick to your deadlines. I know it, I was independent for twenty years. It was pretty hard at first, I did really great works, too great works... Whatever they decided or changed in the future, my code would still works. But because of this I almost never met a deadline. It's only after two years that I understand that, in the end, only the client's satisfaction matter. And what the client want is something which works as expected and is done on time... I stopped making piece of art, met almost all the deadline, and never ever had hard time to find clients. It was a compromise and that's what they wanted.
It's the same here. There's some shitty creators who make poor looking games, but earn a lot of money and have almost fanatics supporters, just because they never missed a single deadline. And at the opposite, creators who stick to quality have a real hard time to earn more than $200/month, because they can't reach the deadline most of the time ; or when they do, the update is small.
Mostly people don't care about the quality of the sex scenes. Is it a good or bad thing, I don't know, it's just like that. Just look at the actual result, 65% think that it's not a big deal, so creators tend to follow the trend, especially if it help them earn more money.
I don't want to be harsh, nor insult you, but if I should judge you by your position on this subject, I would probably have said the same ; just said it in a more polite way.
I don't know if you are one or not, and it's not my concern anyway, but your position on this subject seem to be one of someone who can't stand little imperfections. It's your right, I know that myself I tend to be triggered by bad code... but I mostly keep it for me. I learned the hard way that life's really too short to be bothered by this kind of things ; I see the code, internally yell in terror, then pass to something else.
Doing bad code, making bad sex scenes, is what the creator of the game do. Perhaps on purpose because he's lazy, perhaps because he can't do better. I'm not someone important enough to judge him on this, nor to try to change this. I helped some of them, will help more in the future, but in the end it's their choice, and it not my role to judge them for this.
This said, I understand your position, it's just that I think that you make a too big problem out of this.
Honestly, I never liked their production. Even back at their great time, I always found them lazy and rushed. The CG weren't bad, but that's all they had for them and it's far to be enough for me.
This said, we don't look at the same things when we look at a game ; you look at the 3D, I look at the code/user interface. So, that we don't have the same judgement isn't surprising.
Perhaps that they just don't care this much. For most of them, it's a passion which something also lead to a living. I think that, as long as they can continue to do their passion, the other aspects don't mater for them. Of course, it's great to be able to live doing your passion, but that's not the point when it come to passion.
There's a lot of people who have a passion and dedicate all their free time to it, without a single chance to make a living from it. Patreon have made it possible for adult games creator to earn money doing their passion, it's the only difference.
Honestly, I dislike this game. It's visually great, but boring as hell and completely impersonal.
I hear you. And not to drag everything out further, but it really seems like we all kind of agree that there are some low quality games out there for one reason or another. Benn, if I understand what you're getting at now, it's more that there should be pride in ownership and the quality of your product as a developer.
I have to agree quality is important from just about every angle - as long as our standard of quality isn't 60 fps 5 minute animated renders as produced by a one man team. It's maybe good to temper your expectations and expect some loops among high quality renders from games that ARE trying to produce a quality product, but don't have a huge development team. I think that's really what I took exception to.
Aside from that, I think we can all agree there's sort of a triangle of needs in development of adult games - mechanics, writing, and graphics. Like most others have already said, rarely do you find all three in a one-man project (I'm doing my best to break that mold myself, but I recognize that I'm also limited, of course), but they definitely all play into what makes a game good or not. A project with a really great aspect in one of these three areas can often cover for the others, but a project that's severely lacking in any of them can also be a huge detriment.
Still, the best way to vote is with your playtime, directed feedback, and/or money (if you choose to fund things). If you've tried a game and it's junk, let it go until (or if) you hear it's gotten better. Maybe let the authors know how they could improve. Obviously don't pay for it! And, of course, as others have said, consider working on something of your own you believe could be better.
I think it can be tough at times because this is the sort of concept that attracts a lot of amateurs who are quick to slap together what they can and put it out there. Especially when so many games are successfully monetizing. So sometimes there is a lot of lesser product to wade through, but... well, nothing really that can be done about that except to wade through and find the good stuff or put in the effort and make your own!
I have to agree quality is important from just about every angle - as long as our standard of quality isn't 60 fps 5 minute animated renders as produced by a one man team. It's maybe good to temper your expectations and expect some loops among high quality renders from games that ARE trying to produce a quality product, but don't have a huge development team. I think that's really what I took exception to.
Aside from that, I think we can all agree there's sort of a triangle of needs in development of adult games - mechanics, writing, and graphics. Like most others have already said, rarely do you find all three in a one-man project (I'm doing my best to break that mold myself, but I recognize that I'm also limited, of course), but they definitely all play into what makes a game good or not. A project with a really great aspect in one of these three areas can often cover for the others, but a project that's severely lacking in any of them can also be a huge detriment.
Still, the best way to vote is with your playtime, directed feedback, and/or money (if you choose to fund things). If you've tried a game and it's junk, let it go until (or if) you hear it's gotten better. Maybe let the authors know how they could improve. Obviously don't pay for it! And, of course, as others have said, consider working on something of your own you believe could be better.
I think it can be tough at times because this is the sort of concept that attracts a lot of amateurs who are quick to slap together what they can and put it out there. Especially when so many games are successfully monetizing. So sometimes there is a lot of lesser product to wade through, but... well, nothing really that can be done about that except to wade through and find the good stuff or put in the effort and make your own!
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I hear you, Jake Paul.
Of course I cannot upload my old movie production. It's the same as open my real identity as a pervert. But I've been working with a short incest novel, that if the big guys in the F95 Discord say it acceptable story, then I will make the comic first. Then if people love my comic which to test my quality in Story + Dialog creation and Animation poser, then I will start to learn the software of game platform.
Right now, you can call me pussy/big talker or whatever. But when my 3D comic out, I'm expecting a full kneel down.
Seriously man, quit with the masculine posturing and dick measuring. I'm simply saying until you can show that you can give a consistent quality release on a month to month basis with the demands you have, I don't want to watch you swing your dick around like you're the God of what the industry standard should be.
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I think you read my mind, spot on. The Pride & Ownership of 3D community is like being breached by many people who make poor animation. Yes it is their games, but you know ... Basket Ball hate lame basket ball, Soccer hate lame soccer. Their life had no anything to do with me, but if they make lame 3D, it's hurting the 3D overall production reputation. Happens to RPGM community. A lot of RPGM games is awesome because they use the platform right. But some people making RPGM games that should've not created on that platform. Now many people, including me, avoid games from RPGM.
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So as a gamer can't criticize game developer ? Do critics have to step in into the developer to prove his words ?
"CHARACTER DEPTH MATTERS!!!" ... that's your motto. So are you a good story writer too ? Where can I see your novel with perfect depth characters ?
My critics are legit, and people know that. Other who comment try to explain why it's happening also legit. We have good discussion in here to clear the air of the situation. So stop with "Don't critic me until you can talk the talk, but do you walk the walk?" ... that is silly and community can die because of it. As you recommend me, If you don't like the game don't play it. If you don't like my thread, stop visiting it. If you think it's offensive, do report me.
Else, stick with the discussion to improve our 3D games quality. What can people share to increase Sex Scene quality.
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So for me, sex scene is an important aspect, the key of porn games. But what the people think of the utmost important of porn games ? ... for the start, what do you think important the most ?
a. Sex Scene - b. Story - c. Asset (3D model & Environment, Character appearance & clothing) d. Faster Release.
No your critiques have been refuted time and time again by the numerous people responding to you because you are asking for something that simply isn't possible. As for my skills as a writer, unlike your lack of demonstration of art, you can find multiple threads on this board where I critique failed writing, and in each of those I make suggestions on how to improve the writing. You see, with writing I can actually demonstrate my abilities here in the forum. However, give me a couple days, the first published work of mine is having its code fine tuned and will be up soon. I'm also writing on two games that will be available in a couple months, one of which I had to prove my skill to work on.
As to your offensiveness, you aren't breaking any rules, so far as I know, but not breaking rules doesn't mean you aren't being incredibly rude, disrespectful, and combative. In short, you need to get over yourself and stop being so aggro. You want to discuss things, lets discuss things, but don't be rude, and take criticism. You're not doing that, as is obvious because almost every one of the other posts in this 39 post thread is telling you you're expecting too much of a single artist in a single month with an average system, but you still said in this post, "My critics are legit, and people know that."
You need to step back, calm down, and remember that you aren't a god.