Discussion: Why people do not like NTR in games?

[Adrian24]

Hi, everyone! This is my first post in general discussions, so let's see how it goes.

I don't know if it's true, but I've read of different threads that NTR genre in games in not liked by a lot of people. If that is true, the question is "why?". Share your thoughts, especially if you consider yourself "NTR hater". Please explain your position on the matter.
Before you post however, be mindful that we are talking about games, NOT real life. I wrote this little reminder, because I believe that among NTR haters there are those who take their games TOO personal, so they feel when MC gets cheated on, as if they have been cheated on.

Also there is one more thing to discuss, although it was discussed before in different threads, I consider the matter to be inconclusive. Basically, every time there is a new NTR game there is that one guy who asks "Is NTR optional?". So the question is, what does that mean:
a) Can NTR be meta turned off in the game options or
b) Can MC in-game make choices that will nullify NTR?

There is already a thread called "why do people like NTR", but I decided to approach the subject from "haters" point of view, because according to forum there are more of them than "likers".

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

I don't know if it's true, but I've read of different threads that NTR genre in games in not liked by a lot of people. If that is true, the question is "why?". Share your thoughts, especially if you consider yourself "NTR hater". Please explain your position on the matter.

The answer should be extremely obvious. People don't like being cheated on, and most people don't like watching others be cheated on. If your question was "Why did people react SO badly" that's a bit more nuanced.

Also there is one more thing to discuss, although it was discussed before in different threads, I consider the matter to be inconclusive. Basically, every time there is a new NTR game there is that one guy who asks "Is NTR optional?". So the question is, what does that mean:
a) Can NTR be meta turned off in the game options or
b) Can MC in-game make choices that will nullify NTR?

I don't think I've seen anyone make that distinction. More often, they're asking if by "avoidable" the dev means it is prevented/doesn't happen, or if they mean it still happens but you don't see it.

The worst is when a dev tries to play coy about what'll be included in their game, because they don't want to give spoilers.

 

[kilobananov]

Basically, every time there is a new NTR game there is that one guy who asks "Is NTR optional?". So the question is, what does that mean:

I think it refers to avoiding NTR scenes in any way. Whether by completely turning it off at the start/in the settings or by making some more or less obvious choices during the game.

we are talking about games, NOT real life

And still, many games are designed in a way that helps the players associate themselves with the protagonist for better immersion. Which is supposed to enhance the enjoyment of the positive and attractive parts of the game, but which also risks increasing the dissatisfaction with some aspect disliked by the players.

 

[Adrian24]

The answer should be extremely obvious. People don't like being cheated on, and most people don't like watching others be cheated on.

Well, that doesn't add up to the copious amount of porn in existence with the premise "what wife does with pool boy/gardener/delivery guy etc., while the husband is at work..."

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Well, that doesn't add up to the copious amount of porn in existence with the premise "what wife does with pool boy/gardener/delivery guy etc., while the husband is at work..."

Big difference. In NTR, the whole point is to show, or be, the person being cheated on. Average cheating porn makes the person being cheated on a formless entity.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

First off, I'm gonna talk about netorare specifically (NTR is a broader category).

As to why, netorare is emotional masochism with a particular flavor. And that's basically the reason, most people don't want to be hurt in that particular way and some do.

Before you post however, be mindful that we are talking about games, NOT real life.

This is irrelevant. Do you want to read about a person being raped and tortured to death, in very gruesome details? Hey, it's fiction, no need to feel revulsion!

a) Can NTR be meta turned off in the game options or
b) Can MC in-game make choices that will nullify NTR?

Generally no, this can't be done. The fundamental layout of netorare stories makes it impossible to turn off with just a flick. Think of it like a horror movie. The fundamentals are similar here, horror exists to tickle another negative emotion, fear. Anyway, a proper horror movie builds suspense, and if you make a "game option" to turn off all the scary scenes, then you're left with a structure that builds suspense and nothing else, and leads to nothing, or worse, a mismatch. Suspense into a disney princess wedding. It's going to dissapoint everyone, both people who love and hate the horror genre. Or, you can do that but really that's just fitting two stories with different genres in one work. Might as well make two works.


Now, personally, I am coming to dislike netorare, because I really don't like the techniques that the genre uses to build the story structure. Basically the most common tropes of the genre really grind my gears, while the core aspect doesn't do anything for me (positive or negative, just nothing).

 

[firsttry51]

most people don't know why they feel the way they do, or they might be biased in acknowledging the issue,
the answer you seek lies in the field of psychology.

 

[kuvayimilfiye]

One of the most retarted argumant about that "self-inserts don't like ntr". No, the cuck self-inserts like it, non-cuck self-inserts don't, that's it. And "ntr hater" is a bullshit term, just people don't want to see specific kinks and ask in the forum if it's avoidable.

Also, I don't understand pervs who say "nooo this is games not real world". What the hell that should mean? Are you hetero irl but gay in adult games? Are you loving milf irl but lolis in adult games? Are you alpha in real life and cuck in adult games?

 

[Adrian24]

Big difference. In NTR, the whole point is to show, or be, the person being cheated on. Average cheating porn makes the person being cheated on a formless entity.

So, you would agree that people don't like NTR because there is too much of a connection between the player and the main character of the game/story?

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

So, you would agree that people don't like NTR because there is too much of a connection between the player and the main character of the game/story?

No, that's not at all what I said. But that is A reason, but not THE reason. I don't self-insert at all, and I find NTR absolutely vile. I find nothing enjoyable about watching a sad, pathetic lump of a person being cheated on and humiliated.

 

[Noah Neim]

"why?"

I'm going to simply assume this is innocent curiosity on your part, rather than confusion

But it's not that difficult to explain that people don't like being cheated on.
It's a complete breach of trust, especially more so for people who view sex as something romantic
But even if you don't it's still a breach of trust, it hursts your confidence, and it would generally cause you some stress
And i know you said games, but this same logic applies in game, just with less personalization and psyche damage
While the anime girl on the screen was never really your girlfriend (sorry) ntr just makes you feel really shitty, especially if the game's persepctive is that of the cuck rather than the bull
Like netorare is something only masochists like, netori is something anyone can like if they just not give a shit about the fact someone is cheating.

a) Can NTR be meta turned off in the game options or
b) Can MC in-game make choices that will nullify NTR?

IDk if you were in the recent thread that was made, but i'm glad you share the same suggestion as i do
Ntr should definitely be a meta option that is turned off, and not canon, but fan service
Because people get attached to characters, and if you being cucked is canon in atleast 1 timeline it means that the character you like is a shallow person who would just abandon you for dick or pussy
And naturally, no one would actually like that.
By adding it as an option, everyone wins
Vanilla and ntr haters are happy their fake relationship with the girl on screen isnt so shallow that it'll result in them being cucked just because they didnt fulfil some vague requirement games have before some time limit
And ntr lovers get what they want, they don't give a shit about the story or quality anyways and just want to wank their willy off

 

[Adrian24]

One of the most retarted argumant about that "self-inserts don't like ntr". No, the cuck self-inserts like it, non-cuck self-inserts don't, that's it. And "ntr hater" is a bullshit term, just people don't want to see specific kinks and ask in the forum if it's avoidable.

Eh, if the art is good enough, I don't mind a couple of things that are not in my alley. But "is it avoidable" question, I never saw for anything other than NTR, when tagged "NTR". Anyone ever asked "if lolis are avoidable" in "loli" tagged games? Or have teen lovers ever asked "are milfs avoidable?" in any game ever?

Also, I don't understand pervs who say "nooo this is games not real world". What the hell that should mean? Are you hetero irl but gay in adult games? Are you loving milf irl but lolis in adult games? Are you alpha in real life and cuck in adult games?

Dropping the "pervs" comment, "games, not real world" is the main point. Games are escapism from the real world. I have enough "real world" in real world. I don't want connection to "real world" in my games. You could ask "Do you love harem games, but don't have a girlfriend/have 1 girlfriend in real life?" I believe the answer would be "yes" for many people.
Besides if "doing stuff in games=doing stuff in real life", 99.99% of the GTA players would be on a death row right now.
I would be upset with NTR in real life as much as the next guy, but in the game that is just another spicy sex scene...

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Dropping the "pervs" comment, "games, not real world" is the main point. Games are escapism from the real world. I have enough "real world" in real world. I don't want connection to "real world" in my games. You could ask "Do you love harem games, but don't have a girlfriend/have 1 girlfriend in real life?" I believe the answer would be "yes" for many people.
Besides if "doing stuff in games=doing stuff in real life", 99.99% of the GTA players would be on a death row right now.
I would be upset with NTR in real life as much as the next guy, but in the game that is just another spicy sex scene...

Let me flip this on you. Games are escapism right? A fantasy? Why would people being cheated on be part of that fantasy? Cheating is a very real world thing, so why would you want it in your escapism?

 

[Noah Neim]

Eh, if the art is good enough, I don't mind a couple of things that are not in my alley. But "is it avoidable" question, I never saw for anything other than NTR, when tagged "NTR". Anyone ever asked "if lolis are avoidable" in "loli" tagged games? Or have teen lovers ever asked "are milfs avoidable?" in any game ever?

Those aren't comparable, children being in the game doesnt ruin anything for you, while ntr being canon implies that the character you're trying to romance is a shallow being who would cheat on you instead of just breaking up with you

 

[Adrian24]

Let me flip this on you. Games are escapism right? A fantasy? Why would people being cheated on be part of that fantasy? Cheating is a very real world thing, so why would you want it in your escapism?

I play XXX games to see hot scenes with hot chicks. I don't care who "the male talent" will be. I don't "connect with main character", etc. So far people talk that they don't like NTR because of "connection with MC" or "immersion in the game" and they feel like it's done to them personally. But speaking of games in general and "connection with MC", players can execute much crueler stuff on MC just to get that sweet, sweet achievement. So that "connection" is flimsy as hell.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

I play XXX games to see hot scenes with hot chicks. I don't care who "the male talent" will be. I don't "connect with main character", etc. So far people talk that they don't like NTR because of "connection with MC" or "immersion in the game" and they feel like it's done to them personally. But speaking of games in general and "connection with MC", players can execute much crueler stuff on MC just to get that sweet, sweet achievement. So that "connection" is flimsy as hell.

You don't need to self-insert to feel empathy for a character, my man.

 

[firsttry51]

You don't need to self-insert to feel empathy for a character, my man.

from a psychological standpoint many argue empathy is just projection

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

from a psychological standpoint many argue empathy is just projection

Sympathy might have been a better word.

 

[Lerd0]

..and the day before....and the day before...and.........

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

So far people talk that they don't like NTR because of "connection with MC" or "immersion in the game" and they feel like it's done to them personally.

No they don't. You should go re-read the replies.

You don't need to have some "connection" to be revolted by something. Go take a dive in shock content (rotten.com is not a thing anymore, so you'll have to find yourself another internet sewer for that) if you don't take my word for it, and want some empirical evidence.