Discussion: Why people do not like NTR in games?
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I don't know the game, but I would have to agree with Dev on this one. NTR tag is about sex, in most cases other guys having sex with "your girl". I can't see girl kissing other dude as NTR, because I don't consider kissing as sex. If only MC has sex and no one else, even if girl kisses, holds hands or goes out to see the movies with someone else, that would be netori (MC cuckolding someone) at best, certainly not netorare (as generally considered NTR.) Yes, abbreviation is the same, but NTR tag is given mostly for netorare.
Well, we could open new topic "Do you consider french kissing (mouth to mouth tongue action) sex or not?"
So if there is no first person cheating of any kind, but let's say you play formless non-self-sexual entity (ghost/higher power, whatever) that creates situations for 3rd person characters (like some Sims game - all equally "formless", with no "special character"), that would not be tagged as NTR even if there are cuckolding/cheating situations among those characters?
NTR is philosophical in this thread. If you want your question answered, you have to define "avoidable" first.
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A kiss is still an intimate thing and most people would consider it cheating if their s/o kissed someone else. By your logic, a game where the MC's wife or girlfriend gives another guy a handjob shouldn't get the netorare tag since that's not sex either.
Handjob is type of sex, because one of the persons has sexual organ involved in the act. This is clear as day.
If you want to go to the gray area, choose "boob massage". If its for some reason "purely medical", it's not NTR. If she gets orgasm from it, you could argue that it is NTR.
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Yes! I do consider kissing on lips sexual. Involving with someone in anything sexual manner other than your partner is forbidden if you are in relationship.
You are telling me that When your girlfriend goes for jog and 2 guys who she didn't met in her life before, comes and tell her "I wanna show my ex-girlfriend that I'm over her so why don't you kiss me and flash your boobs!" bullshit(It was just lies to get close to her), you would be ok with it? and after kissing him when he says you should remove your bra too, removing t-shirt is not enough, she calls her MC "what should I do baby? Should I go along with it?" What kind of fucking bullshit is this? Couldn't she call before all this and instead is sending her boyfriend pictures of her kissing and lifting her shirt in the fucking park in broad day-light with the guy she met no more than 2 minutes ago, where is the fucking logic? Why bait users "NTR is avoidable!"? And all this happens and she faces no consequences
Would you be ok with your girl kissing everyone on lips?
When a girl/boy is in relationship with someone she/he has responsibility not to take advantage of that. Platonic too don't go into physical as the word platonic suggests that without "romantic and sexual", and physically kissing someone when you are in relationship is not platonic.
If you want to indulge into these sorts of activities than you should avoid being in relationship when you partner is not approving of this behavior. Relationship means you "commit" to your partner, hence no one other than you partner.
F95's definition of NTR is different it includes both sharing and cuckolding.
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A handjob could be "purely medical" too. Have you never played a porn game where a nurse/doctor needs a semen sample from the MC?
I would object of course, but not for the reason you think.
If it's nothing else, but a peck (short dry lips on dry lips) I wouldn't have any problems with it as an act itself. Hell, if she did that to a baby, I wouldn't consider her a pedo.
My main source of objection would be fear and possibility of saliva exchange and consequently chances of getting STD's.
And big thumbs up for "All NTR Definitions"!
So we also need to factor the intention into this equation to properly evaluate the situation.A handjob could be "purely medical" too. Have you never played a porn game where a nurse/doctor needs a semen sample from the MC?
We are getting dangerously close to the "masturbation is cheating on your girlfriend" area...
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Some couples consider even flirting for cheating. Giving babies and children a peck on the lips...
Ok. Let's say you see some hot pic, regular "guy banging girl" stuff. You see it for the first time, you know nothing else about that pic, you are aroused. Then, suddenly, I say "hey, that's NTR pic from the "insert name" game". Would you immediately lose interest for the sex pic, when you find out it's NTR?
Or is it backwards? Let's say I have a folder of sex pics that would be hot without any context, but you would be magically not aroused because I say beforehand "it's all NTR"?
Or "it's OK, because we didn't meet MC anyway in this case."?
It seems that in any case "story" is always more important than "the art". Basically, whether something is hot or not (in this case NTR) is decided by the background information, not the visual cue.
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I'm an NTR hater, but you said you don't want real life brought into it. I'm not confident that I can completely disconnect my biases for this topic, so I'll avoid the main question.
Whenever it comes to content I dislike, I prefer that content to be a meta that I can turn off. Rather that be in the settings, or an option in the beginning. However, if your gonna offer to disable content, at least disable it. Don't just "hide" it from the player, they aren't stupid. Even if they didn't see the content, the characters will still act as if it did happen anyway.
Whenever it comes to content I dislike, I prefer that content to be a meta that I can turn off. Rather that be in the settings, or an option in the beginning. However, if your gonna offer to disable content, at least disable it. Don't just "hide" it from the player, they aren't stupid. Even if they didn't see the content, the characters will still act as if it did happen anyway.
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Personally depending on how the game works I find it positive or negative. Let me talk about 2 examples to show my point:
1º Dark hero party: This is a game that can only be enjoyed by hardcore NTR fans, no one should expect that the majority enjoy a constant burn of unavoidable NTR that is a freaking tragedy of violence and betrayal.
2º A struggle with sin: The game has NTR and while it is very easy to avoid it kinda gives a more complete feeling to the game world, you aren't the only lustful man on earth and depending on your actions/defeat, others may enter into a relationship with a girl, but the MC can still have a harem, focus on many other girls and live a good fulfilling life.
I personally see no issue in the second game and I play it, I can't deal with pathetic MC's that can't continue with their lifes, I have 0 issue with NTR if you aren't trying to burn me down with it and that's kinda why people ask if "NTR is avoidable", a yes tends to mean that you have content to achieve, that you can end up in a good and happy ending, but if the answer is no it tends to be kinda dramatic or the MC ends up discovering he has a fetish for it.
I have no problem with NTR being part of the main storyline if it's of limited effect, for example a strategy game in which a girl was working with the enemy, but I should always be able to recover.
An example of a game with NTR at it's core that I would play would be for example one in which we are the king of a country who recently ascended the throne and we have to manage our imperial harem and make the girls in it fall in love with the MC, but that it isn't an easy task to do, some women are ambitious, others have some lesbian tendencies and even some fall easily in love with either a maid or a guard, in that type of game doing a perfect walkthrough would be quite hard but rewarding.
Lesser examples would be games in which heroines can be captured by the enemy, having rivals trying to conquer the same girl and stuff like that.
I find quite a bit of value for the NTR if we take out the fetish aspect, if you focus on the fetish it's just that type of game, most people can't enjoy that since most of us just want to get a happy ending and most NTR stories only offer a slow burn with a pathetic MC.
1º Dark hero party: This is a game that can only be enjoyed by hardcore NTR fans, no one should expect that the majority enjoy a constant burn of unavoidable NTR that is a freaking tragedy of violence and betrayal.
2º A struggle with sin: The game has NTR and while it is very easy to avoid it kinda gives a more complete feeling to the game world, you aren't the only lustful man on earth and depending on your actions/defeat, others may enter into a relationship with a girl, but the MC can still have a harem, focus on many other girls and live a good fulfilling life.
I personally see no issue in the second game and I play it, I can't deal with pathetic MC's that can't continue with their lifes, I have 0 issue with NTR if you aren't trying to burn me down with it and that's kinda why people ask if "NTR is avoidable", a yes tends to mean that you have content to achieve, that you can end up in a good and happy ending, but if the answer is no it tends to be kinda dramatic or the MC ends up discovering he has a fetish for it.
I have no problem with NTR being part of the main storyline if it's of limited effect, for example a strategy game in which a girl was working with the enemy, but I should always be able to recover.
An example of a game with NTR at it's core that I would play would be for example one in which we are the king of a country who recently ascended the throne and we have to manage our imperial harem and make the girls in it fall in love with the MC, but that it isn't an easy task to do, some women are ambitious, others have some lesbian tendencies and even some fall easily in love with either a maid or a guard, in that type of game doing a perfect walkthrough would be quite hard but rewarding.
Lesser examples would be games in which heroines can be captured by the enemy, having rivals trying to conquer the same girl and stuff like that.
I find quite a bit of value for the NTR if we take out the fetish aspect, if you focus on the fetish it's just that type of game, most people can't enjoy that since most of us just want to get a happy ending and most NTR stories only offer a slow burn with a pathetic MC.
Why don't people like being cheated on in real life? Same answer. Blatantly obvious. If you play the game as if you're a spectator then it's not an issue. If you self insert and play the game as if you ARE the main character then most people don't like it, myself included.
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Imagine not getting off to your loved ones viscerally betraying and emasculating you. Buncha fucking weirdos. Next you'll tell me they don't want to have sex with minors.
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