Ren'Py Dissonance [v0.11] [L_Elyot]

[ppbeater]

I don't understand why people hate suzu so much, I find their relationship funny ^^ ,and once toru finally starts acting more like a teacher and beeing more reliable, she become a little more nicer to him .
Personally, it's more Sayuri that I have a problem with.

We keep hearing that she wants to work things out with toru, but in the end and despite what she said , she try to avoids interacting with him more than improve things (like when Toru has to go to the infirmary and Sayuri doesn't want to go with him, so Nadeko goes in the end) or during the festival, when she uses Suzu as a false excuse to escape Toru's company. Later she's even blaming Suzu, telling her that it's because of her that she can't get closer to Toru when Sayuri's already doing a great job at sabotaging herself .
When she finally try something with that dorm plan, it comes to nothing and she satisfied that Toru wants to keep his distance with her by fear of what Ume might think and because she want to act at her own pace.

Of course it's a very difficult situation for her too, after all beeing forgotten by someone you love is horrible, especially when he seems to be more happy without you. But at the rate she's doing things for now and given the fact that Toru still doesn't remember anything after 3 months apart from a little conversation with a stranger. she will have to speed things up if she dont want to lose him for good , because if she wait until Toru get is memories back, she may die of old age before that happening at the rate he get them back for now (and more seriously, if she's really pregnant and Ume doesnt seem to know from what Suzu said, that will complicate things a lot and quickly for her and Toru)


So it's more the way she handle things that bothering me rather than the whole character but the bond between Suzu and Sayuri and how Suzu always have her back ( and that's also why she's so aggressive toward Toru in the begining) is one of the things i liked the most in the game and they are for sure a great duo

think most people just dont like the tsundere trope, that or are playing these games because they enjoy it when all the girls like the mc for no reason besides plot (its pretty funny seeing the class prez get scolded for once & by another student, i can understand the dislike for sayuri too, but she also gives the reader the reason why shes acting the way she is.

 

[Grahim]

Major story inconsistencey just letting anyone interested know.
During the festival, Toru remarks that one of the prop weapons looks familiar and as a joke says that "we've got King fucking Arthur patrolling the grounds" now the line is funny, but Toru still has amnesia and has not read the legends of King Arthur at this point in the story, so it should not be possible that he knows what Excallibur looks like or who King Arthur is.

 

[ppbeater]

kind of a small issue i have that might not even be an issue when its further developed but you stop seeing some characters for a while, nadeko for obvious reasons, but after summer break, you really dont interact with niwa or nao, im saying this while halfway through chapter 1 so maybe ill see them once or twice, just kinda makes you forget they even exist until you have some events where the whole class is present, would be nice to see hina more than just for a few moments each time, the linear day skipping sometimes gets confusing, & some events happening in the same day right after the other, like finally talking to nadeko, & then showing up to her dorm, & the same for rikka, finishing a study session, just to call her right after, unless those for whatever reason are the only 2 events of an entire week & happen on the same day? for me its a better experience if theyre better spaced out, so you dont have like 5 events happen in the same day at the beginning, to already run out of daily things to do by the next week, & start skipping a few days of the week, might just be the linear experience in which case i wont complain because id rather not do sandbox, but still good for what it is

 

[ppbeater]

Major story inconsistencey just letting anyone interested know.
During the festival, Toru remarks that one of the prop weapons looks familiar and as a joke says that "we've got King fucking Arthur patrolling the grounds" now the line is funny, but Toru still has amnesia and has not read the legends of King Arthur at this point in the story, so it should not be possible that he knows what Excallibur looks like or who King Arthur is.

hes stated he knows the more famous stuff, like he said he doesnt know what he knows, & finds out he knows english from watching movies with yoshie, & maybe this 1 is due to plot or whatever but he knows german after hearing yuzuha speaking german on the phone, it would be in inconsistency if he knew something very niche, unless he was into that niche before losing his memories, but to me thats just the case of someone knowing something because its common sense, & not being inconsistent to having amnesia, he may not have memories of his past, but that doesnt mean he cant know anything, if so he wouldnt know how to talk, breathe, walk, read, id find it very hard to read if amnesia worked in the way that you forget literally everything, & i really doubt he would be allowed to grade if he couldnt even read the answer key, it could also just be dialogue for a situation where security is using medieval weapons because its really out of place for a school visual novel

 

[Grahim]

hes stated he knows the more famous stuff, like he said he doesnt know what he knows, & finds out he knows english from watching movies with yoshie, & maybe this 1 is due to plot or whatever but he knows german after hearing yuzuha speaking german on the phone, it would be in inconsistency if he knew something very niche, unless he was into that niche before losing his memories, but to me thats just the case of someone knowing something because its common sense, & not being inconsistent to having amnesia, he may not have memories of his past, but that doesnt mean he cant know anything, if so he wouldnt know how to talk, breathe, walk, read, id find it very hard to read if amnesia worked in the way that you forget literally everything, & i really doubt he would be allowed to grade if he couldnt even read the answer key, it could also just be dialogue for a situation where security is using medieval weapons because its really out of place for a school visual novel

Got you, I just thought it was a funny thing to point out that, of all things that remains in his mind is not his parents, not Niwa, or basically majority of his teaching experience and skill, but the legend of Arthur? Oh boy that persists strong in his mind. Kind of reminds me of Harrier Du Bois from disco elysium
Also I think I came of as hostile when I wrote "Major story inconsistencey" I actually meant this was an inconsistency in the main story, not that the inconsistency was a major one.

 

[Simpgor]

Got you, I just thought it was a funny thing to point out that, of all things that remains in his mind

It kind of makes sense (in a vn way) with how his amnesia has been shown. It seems like he forgot "himself as well as some events" more so than something like "he lost all memories upto that point".

iirc nobody explains alcohol to him at first but he knows it can get you drunk right? I'm sure you could find a fair bit of "common/general" knowledge stuff throughout the story that him knowing is questionable.

Edit: also could have seen it on some movie/show and the readers just aren't shown it in particular

 

[ppbeater]

Got you, I just thought it was a funny thing to point out that, of all things that remains in his mind is not his parents, not Niwa, or basically majority of his teaching experience and skill, but the legend of Arthur? Oh boy that persists strong in his mind. Kind of reminds me of Harrier Du Bois from disco elysium
Also I think I came of as hostile when I wrote "Major story inconsistencey" I actually meant this was an inconsistency in the main story, not that the inconsistency was a major one.

didnt take it that way, just glad i could clear up the misunderstanding, not sure if youre playing linear or sandbox, but if youre wasting time playing sandbox i can see how youd get to that conclusion, meanwhile my issue with linear is shit happening a week later or right after i just talked to someone like that makes any sense, but ill take it over the grind that is in development sandbox games, its not even a big deal, & will likely not be an issue when this game has more content, im enjoying myself & will be sad when im done & have to wait for more, might not be much h scenes but the story is in my top 10 at least, if i could remember enough to make that list, even when theres some confusing stuff going on

 

[ppbeater]

For my English teacher crustlord12

• Festival

What are Niwa and Nao talking about? What's the cousin relationship?

• Other characters

Gray, Black, Flower girl, Blurry girl
After meeting Eri, I assume this is what happened to the person MC misses, they appear only to disappear
The stranger, did he cause the memory loss? if he did how?
Again if there's nothing we know then that's fine

• Nao's eye color being familiar or getting Deja vu with Nadeko, for Nadeko I assume she laughs whenever you bring up the person who gave her advice, because who would've guessed, you did, it makes sense, considering you were her teacher, or at least something like that.

Nao's eye color could be completely coincidental, no reason besides a familiar color, but considering she was an orphan, & this is a stretch, maybe the person who is gone was related to her in some way? Won't say mother since hair color & the age difference is not much, unless they also do not age, but were able to stay long enough to give birth or something, if they even can.

• Is blurry girl asking mc why he isn't dead just his own forgotten thoughts or was old sensei torturing himself over something,

• Clearly something going on with Sayuri, if all the foreshadowing is anything to go off of, feels weird they were closer than mc was with his cousin, considering it would only be from tutoring.

• Being stabbed

Is this just a way to force mc to "open his eyes?"

• The crowds

Not sure if this is just an amnesia thing or something he had issues with before the memory loss, how would telling his class of 10 about his amnesia, potentially cause another but permanent coma?

• Eri

Why have no plan if staying in contact is crucial? Did she not think using someone else's card would have no issues? Not sure if that's why the spam calls happened, or if that's a coincidence, plot device, etc.

For someone who has gone through hundreds if not more worlds, she seems to be pretty normal, maybe that wouldn't make you crazy, & making her crazy would ruin her character or something.
I assume her being dragged to new worlds will be explained, & that if she's now stuck will she start aging? Or we'll find out later if MC doesn't age.
Not being able to feel closer to Eri is interesting, but feels weird that it doesn't mention it in any of her other events, shame that she is only introduced so late,

Maybe some of the stuff has logical answers & I'm just too dumb to understand.

ppbeater waiting for the next update

 

[crustlord12]

just wanted to list everything i can remember about the game
snip
im just too dumb to understand

i ain't reading all that
i'm happy for u tho
or sorry that happened

 

[ppbeater]

i ain't reading all that
i'm happy for u tho
or sorry that happened

dont expect anyone to, this is a porn pirate website, if anyone wants a headache they can try

 

[crustlord12]

dont expect anyone to, this is a porn pirate website, if anyone wants a headache they can try

If you want anyone to actually read what you've written, you need to add punctuation beyond question marks, ampersands, and commas (ever heard of a period?). You also need to break your text up into paragraphs, walls of text are fatiguing to read and it's difficult to parse.

 

[JelF547]

If you want anyone to actually read what you've written, you need to add punctuation beyond question marks, ampersands, and commas (ever heard of a period?). You also need to break your text up into paragraphs, walls of text are fatiguing to read and it's difficult to parse.

Nobody reads text without pictures here anyways

 

[ppbeater]

If you want anyone to actually read what you've written, you need to add punctuation beyond question marks, ampersands, and commas (ever heard of a period?). You also need to break your text up into paragraphs, walls of text are fatiguing to read and it's difficult to parse.

again porn pirate site, didnt realize there was grammar requirements, i could do that, seeing as ive angered an english teacher because nobody likes reading unless theres boobs every 5 words

 

[kenny]

again porn pirate site, didnt realize there was grammar requirements, i could do that, seeing as ive angered an english teacher because nobody likes reading unless theres boobs every 5 words

Being this rectally ravaged over deserved criticism is childish behavior. And frankly, so is deflecting every time with "porn pirate site". After all, you decided to blogpost here despite it being one, so obviously you expected someone to read it. And reading your block of unformated, full of spelling issues and run-on sentences post is a pain.
Don't expect to lower the discourse level and everyone to just roll with it.

 

[ppbeater]

Being this rectally ravaged over deserved criticism is childish behavior. And frankly, so is deflecting every time with "porn pirate site". After all, you decided to blogpost here despite it being one, so obviously you expected someone to read it. And reading your block of unformated, full of spelling issues and run-on sentences post is a pain.
Don't expect to lower the discourse level and everyone to just roll with it.

for once i found a decent game on here, when most of them are those weirdly realistic but still kinda ugly looking games (why do they have so many views & why do some people keep making them), again only typed some things about the game that came to mind, and already edited the original wall of text. thats just how i type on places i dont expect to need proper grammar because i doubt many people even care that much. sorry if it sounded a certain way in text but i was legit just making a joke about grammar on a porn review board. not gonna bother doing proper grammar for this post since if you read this far anyways good for you, if anything if it was so bad a mod couldve removed it and i would have likely forgotten about this game until a significant amount of content was added.

 

[Simpgor]

Long quote

You don't need to do proper grammer you need spacing more than anything. It doesn't even need to be paragraphs just separating them by ideas would go alot further in people wanting to read it and reply.

Honestly a list would have been better imo and removed any need for grammar as each thing you remembered could have been it's own bullet point. Doubling down is definitely not the way to go and anybody who might have read it is likely to side against it now.

Edit: seen you've edited the post into a readable format

 

[daagagsdgd]

For my English teacher crustlord12

• Festival

What are Niwa and Nao talking about? What's the cousin relationship?

• Other characters

Gray, Black, Flower girl, Blurry girl
After meeting Eri, I assume this is what happened to the person MC misses, they appear only to disappear
The stranger, did he cause the memory loss? if he did how?
Again if there's nothing we know then that's fine

• Nao's eye color being familiar or getting Deja vu with Nadeko, for Nadeko I assume she laughs whenever you bring up the person who gave her advice, because who would've guessed, you did, it makes sense, considering you were her teacher, or at least something like that.

Nao's eye color could be completely coincidental, no reason besides a familiar color, but considering she was an orphan, & this is a stretch, maybe the person who is gone was related to her in some way? Won't say mother since hair color & the age difference is not much, unless they also do not age, but were able to stay long enough to give birth or something, if they even can.

• Is blurry girl asking mc why he isn't dead just his own forgotten thoughts or was old sensei torturing himself over something,

• Clearly something going on with Sayuri, if all the foreshadowing is anything to go off of, feels weird they were closer than mc was with his cousin, considering it would only be from tutoring.

• Being stabbed

Is this just a way to force mc to "open his eyes?"

• The crowds

Not sure if this is just an amnesia thing or something he had issues with before the memory loss, how would telling his class of 10 about his amnesia, potentially cause another but permanent coma?

• Eri

Why have no plan if staying in contact is crucial? Did she not think using someone else's card would have no issues? Not sure if that's why the spam calls happened, or if that's a coincidence, plot device, etc.

For someone who has gone through hundreds if not more worlds, she seems to be pretty normal, maybe that wouldn't make you crazy, & making her crazy would ruin her character or something.
I assume her being dragged to new worlds will be explained, & that if she's now stuck will she start aging? Or we'll find out later if MC doesn't age.
Not being able to feel closer to Eri is interesting, but feels weird that it doesn't mention it in any of her other events, shame that she is only introduced so late,

Maybe some of the stuff has logical answers & I'm just too dumb to understand.

ppbeater waiting for the next update

You made several subtle observations with which I may have interest to further discuss. Though so far the story is still in early-stage so these question wouldn't presumably get straight answers anytime soon.

It's quite obvious that Niwa was hidding something important from Toru which she shared with close friends. My conjecture is that Niwa knows more of Toru before amnesia. In the scene which Toru confessed to Niwa he ran away due to suffocating feeling he felt of being alone and Niwa reacted as if she had seen it for many times. I wonder if Niwa was intentedly keeping those dark pasts from her cousin since it's showed blatantly that Toru had bad relationship with his parents and lived alone without any touch for a long time before and after encounter and separation with a certain friend. (Eri? That's what I always assume before recent update, However...)

There is clearly something shady with Sayuri. Her wriggling reaction being poked and analogy of "a decent flower being plucked too soon" narrator employed might suggest that she was molested, or perhaps deflowered by someone else. Wonder if it's before tutoring or directly conducted by Toru secretly.

I'm sure that somehow the blurry girl in white dress questioning why Toru haven't dead yet is Eri. And Toru subconsciously estranged from Eri. As comment of not being able to feel closer and the endless stairs preventing him to get there suggested.

Concerning the Red Sky and Ash Toru recited when he met the girl. It might have have something to do with the Flame theatre in Festival. Eri was present here in backstage too. My assumption is that someone both endeared to them died in that accident and Toru could never forgive him hitherto. Eri is prolly purposely lying about the fact that she was a close friend to Toru long before. After all in all the personal cutscene of Eri before, she talked on Toru as if he's kindred spirit to her.

 

[ppbeater]

You don't need to do proper grammer you need spacing more than anything. It doesn't even need to be paragraphs just separating them by ideas would go alot further in people wanting to read it and reply.

Honestly a list would have been better imo and removed any need for grammar as each thing you remembered could have been it's own bullet point. Doubling down is definitely not the way to go and anybody who might have read it is likely to side against it now.

Edit: seen you've edited the post into a readable format

yeah lesson learned ig

 

[ppbeater]

You made several subtle observations with which I may have interest to further discuss. Though so far the story is still in early-stage so these question wouldn't presumably get straight answers anytime soon.

It's quite obvious that Niwa was hidding something important from Toru which she shared with close friends. My conjecture is that Niwa knows more of Toru before amnesia. In the scene which Toru confessed to Niwa he ran away due to suffocating feeling he felt of being alone and Niwa reacted as if she had seen it for many times. I wonder if Niwa was intentedly keeping those dark pasts from her cousin since it's showed blatantly that Toru had bad relationship with his parents and lived alone without any touch for a long time before and after encounter and separation with a certain friend. (Eri? That's what I always assume before recent update, However...)

There is clearly something shady with Sayuri. Her wriggling reaction being poked and analogy of "a decent flower being plucked too soon" narrator employed might suggest that she was molested, or perhaps deflowered by someone else. Wonder if it's before tutoring or directly conducted by Toru secretly.

I'm sure that somehow the blurry girl in white dress questioning why Toru haven't dead yet is Eri. And Toru subconsciously estranged from Eri. As comment of not being able to feel closer and the endless stairs preventing him to get there suggested.

Concerning the Red Sky and Ash Toru recited when he met the girl. It might have have something to do with the Flame theatre in Festival. Eri was present here in backstage too. My assumption is that someone both endeared to them died in that accident and Toru could never forgive him hitherto. Eri is prolly purposely lying about the fact that she was a close friend to Toru long before. After all in all the personal cutscene of Eri before, she talked on Toru as if he's kindred spirit to her.

to me her reaction of him telling her about being alone, might be more about the amnesia than anything before, only because she said before amnesia, mc was busy, which is why they barely spent time together. or maybe its because she can relate to feeling alone, & feels bad that you lied just so she didnt have to worry. i agree something is going on with niwa, just sucks that after the festival you barely interact with her (at least in linear mode i legit almost forgot she & nao existed because they get like 1 event each in chapter 1 near the end & you barely see them). i think its obvious niwa likes her cousin in the socially unaccepted way when she kisses him on the cheek twice, & momoe says something both niwa & nao react to.

for sayuri i dont find it very likely sensei did anything to her but she does seem to have some sort of trauma with physical contact if she isnt aware or conscious. i only say sensei couldnt have done anything because if he did then why would she have trauma or even interact with him, maybe his tutoring was also to help with the trauma & not just educational (in terms of boring school stuff at least). then i could understand them having a closer relationship than he does with his own cousin.

blurry girl, to me at least seems to be the girl who has the same eye color as nao, that we see a few times, & doesnt look like anyone else we know. so until we know more, this is who i assume is the person who we met but havent seen again. because she & nao share an eye color, its either coincidence or they are related in some way, maybe her actual older sister or something. since in linear mode not being able to feel closer to eri is the last thing that happens, & was never mentioned in her other 2 previous events, maybe its simply because shes both not supposed to be here anymore & isnt of this world, so the normal rules dont apply to her.

i would agree with the eri theory, but from what she described it doesnt seem like she would be able to control being yoinked into a new world, she says that because of mc now she isnt going anywhere like before, if thats the case why would she have been gone to begin with, unless like before his eyes werent open, therefore its why shes able to stay. if she was here before she would probably have some stuff she owns, but if she cant control where she goes i guess it could be hard to say when she would even be back. to me the kindred spirits thing is just about her not being gone because something is different this time, & maybe this time she can live a life & not pretend for half a year before she has to restart again.

it could be possible they both lost someone but his parents have been dead only a decade & since eri moves every half year, she wouldve only gone to 20 other places max before coming back, & not lost count after getting to the hundreds, unless time works differently for her, being an unaging, world hopping being.

thats all ive noticed/remembered maybe theres more ive missed/forgotten so would be cool to talk about more if there is anything or if theres something you only see in sandbox for some reason

 

[daagagsdgd]

to me her reaction of him telling her about being alone, might be more about the amnesia than anything before, only because she said before amnesia, mc was busy, which is why they barely spent time together. or maybe its because she can relate to feeling alone, & feels bad that you lied just so she didnt have to worry. i agree something is going on with niwa, just sucks that after the festival you barely interact with her (at least in linear mode i legit almost forgot she & nao existed because they get like 1 event each in chapter 1 near the end & you barely see them). i think its obvious niwa likes her cousin in the socially unaccepted way when she kisses him on the cheek twice, & momoe says something both niwa & nao react to.

for sayuri i dont find it very likely sensei did anything to her but she does seem to have some sort of trauma with physical contact if she isnt aware or conscious. i only say sensei couldnt have done anything because if he did then why would she have trauma or even interact with him, maybe his tutoring was also to help with the trauma & not just educational (in terms of boring school stuff at least). then i could understand them having a closer relationship than he does with his own cousin.

blurry girl, to me at least seems to be the girl who has the same eye color as nao, that we see a few times, & doesnt look like anyone else we know. so until we know more, this is who i assume is the person who we met but havent seen again. because she & nao share an eye color, its either coincidence or they are related in some way, maybe her actual older sister or something. since in linear mode not being able to feel closer to eri is the last thing that happens, & was never mentioned in her other 2 previous events, maybe its simply because shes both not supposed to be here anymore & isnt of this world, so the normal rules dont apply to her.

i would agree with the eri theory, but from what she described it doesnt seem like she would be able to control being yoinked into a new world, she says that because of mc now she isnt going anywhere like before, if thats the case why would she have been gone to begin with, unless like before his eyes werent open, therefore its why shes able to stay. if she was here before she would probably have some stuff she owns, but if she cant control where she goes i guess it could be hard to say when she would even be back. to me the kindred spirits thing is just about her not being gone because something is different this time, & maybe this time she can live a life & not pretend for half a year before she has to restart again.

it could be possible they both lost someone but his parents have been dead only a decade & since eri moves every half year, she wouldve only gone to 20 other places max before coming back, & not lost count after getting to the hundreds, unless time works differently for her, being an unaging, world hopping being.

thats all ive noticed/remembered maybe theres more ive missed/forgotten so would be cool to talk about more if there is anything or if theres something you only see in sandbox for some reason

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You might conflate two unknown characters with each other. The blurry girl whose turquoise eyes resemble to Nao's is the one who appeared in Kaya and Nadeko's events. I'm wagering on that the precious old friend of Toru was actually her instead of Eri.

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Another blurry girl who asked Toru why he hadn't died yet is clearly Eri from this very image. She has identical haircut and posture as Eri.