Do you think it's hard to implement a female protangnist successfully?

[F22232425]

In adult/porn VN games,

1. Sometimes male players may not know how should a female protangnist respond when given the dialogue options.

2. Developers might not successfully think in the perspective of a woman when designing the story.

So for those games with female protangnist, do you think it's better to let players act as audience watching how the story goes, or rather let the player play the first-person view of a female protangonist?

 

[polywog]

Why you no treat everyone as equals? Millions of people played Lara Croft, and not one of them complained about the perspective.

 

[Conviction07]

There's definitely a market for female protag games. Especially well-made ones. Just look at High Life. But If you're doing so, I'd suggest not making it POV. Since the majority of players will be male, it's not an ideal notion that during sex scenes (which most people are here for), I'll either be looking down at a pillow, or looking up at a hairy, sweaty guy hovering right over the top of me.

 

[jeopurry989]

I think a large part of it is boredom, too. I enjoy seeing multiple women, not just one woman throughout the game. And ofc lesbian sex (while enjoyable) isn't the core kink for most guys. I mean, it's nice, but like... not something I can insert myself in (no pun intended).

I feel like with a female protag to be done right, there has to be an immense amount of sandbox gameplay. Make her who you want her to be, heavy customization throughout for a bit of a new feel during sex scenes, large amount of upgrades and whatnot to give more freedom and a personal feel. Ofc I'm a bit of a dom, so I enjoy control in that regard lol. I guess that mainly speaks for my niche.

 

[DasKapitan]

As a dude I think most guys who fuck up writing their female protagonists do so because they approach women like they're some kind of alien mystery that they need to treat differently or more delicately.

But that's nonsense. You can write a female protagonist almost exactly like you'd write a male one... You like sports? She likes sports. You like computers? She likes computers. You like music? She likes music. You like cars? She likes cars. You like fucking? She likes fucking... It's not complicated.

The one key difference is that the lived experience of most women, most of the time seems to be that these interests and experiences are still being devalued or dismissed within the social-sphere, whereas for us guys they're reinforced and encouraged. The same is true in reverse when it comes to the much smaller home-sphere, but I don't necessarily think a writer even needs to be able to empathise or draw parallels like that in order to write their female protagonists. They just need to be mindful of the general dynamic.

I agree with not making it POV,

I love the rare Female POV art that I've seen from time to time. I don't recall any games made with that perspective but I don't think it's impossible... Male POV is shot from the perspective of what a guy likes to see during sex. Female POV probably needs different shot selection and different framing, but I have to imagine there are all kinds of visual moments during sex that women would love to capture.

As a bi dude I personally love that kneeling perspective on a glistening cock head, so close that you can breathe on it and make it twitch. Yummy! And I've seen a pic, that I can't find back now, of a Female POV groping, with the fingers sinking into the flesh and the nipple being squeezed between the webs. That shit was hot.

I'd love a game which explored that more.

 

[Ataios]

I generally prefer 3rd person perspective, especially with female protagonists. The most important thing remains for the game to playable 100% lesbian, at least as far as the protagonist is concerned. She may occasionally see other women haven sex with men, but should be able seduce to other women into lesbian sex later on, but the protagonist herself should not touch anything that has or is a dick.

I also like the protagonist to be the dominant part in a lesbian relationship, though this is no strict rule to me. In general, a female protagonist should be capable of defending herself. If anyone attempts to rape her, she should be able to kill him with relative ease, relying on physical force rather than tricks or poison.

Edit: In general I think, at least most straight male players like myself will prefer 3rd person. Female protagonist lesbian games usually appeal to the less immersive players among men, who value visual stimuli over relating to the MC. When it comes to women and gay/bi men and straight women, it's a different story though, they may prefer the immersion of the 3rd person view and male partners. Lesbian women may enjoy both perspectives though they may react to straight encounters almost as allergic as straight men. Straight men of the more immersive kind will usually prefer male protagonist games anyway, so they are not necessary your target group.

 

[Avaron1974]

As a female I do prefer female protag games. The problem there is i'm also a lesbian so prefer games where that is an option and those are quite rare.

Lesbian women may enjoy both perspectives though they may react to straight encounters almost as allergic as straight men.

Not really. I don't mind straight sex in games. With male protag being the most common I don't have much choice. Seeing straight sex doesn't turn me off but it doesn't turn me on either, it's just there.

 

[redknight00]

It's hard to implement any protagonist properly, people just have a lower bar for males generally. Or at least the people most active in these parts, females leads are a good third of all games in f95zone, most of which are jap rape-on-defeat games.

 

[Ataios]

As a female I do prefer female protag games. The problem there is i'm also a lesbian so prefer games where that is an option and those are quite rare.



Not really. I don't mind straight sex in games. With male protag being the most common I don't have much choice. Seeing straight sex doesn't turn me off but it doesn't turn me on either, it's just there.

Ah, ok, for me as a straight man, sexual encounters with male characters really ruin a female protagonist game, unless they are optional. I can play male protagonist straight games, though I don't enjoy them as much as lesbian games.

 

[BrokenDreams]

Ah, ok, for me as a straight man, sexual encounters with male characters really ruin a female protagonist game, unless they are optional. I can play male protagonist straight games, though I don't enjoy them as much as lesbian games.

I don't quite understand the thought process of how a female protagonist game with sexual encounters with men will ruin the game for a straight male.Are you implying,if the mc is female then she must go for other girls for it to be played by straight guys?

Most female mc games are played by straight males.So,what you are getting at?

 

[Ataios]

I don't quite understand the thought process of how a female protagonist game with sexual encounters with men will ruin the game for a straight male.Are you implying,if the mc is female then she must go for other girls for it to be played by straight guys?

Most female mc games are played by straight males.So,what you are getting at?

Usually yes. Why would a straight man play a female protagonist game if it is not a lesbian game?

 

[lancelotdulak]

Imho Daskapitan nailed it. MOST guys dont have a lot of experience with women other than mom and sis and im betting the demographic of developers in this genre have less. Ever notice 99% of daz poses are ridiculous porn star or modelling poses? And the female clothing is almost all straight out of a strip club? Add in females getting off on giving bj's and having nipples sucked and turning instant whore the second theres a hint of sex. I think dmd does it pretty well (considering the genre). I think Maybe 2 others here did. Games t hat do are Excellent. It's hard to do though because ultimately youre going to turn the character into a sex fantasy.. not a person

 

[Ataios]

Imho Daskapitan nailed it. MOST guys dont have a lot of experience with women other than mom and sis and im betting the demographic of developers in this genre have less. Ever notice 99% of daz poses are ridiculous porn star or modelling poses? And the female clothing is almost all straight out of a strip club? Add in females getting off on giving bj's and having nipples sucked and turning instant whore the second theres a hint of sex. I think dmd does it pretty well (considering the genre). I think Maybe 2 others here did. Games t hat do are Excellent. It's hard to do though because ultimately youre going to turn the character into a sex fantasy.. not a person

I don't think so at all. No porn author or developer tries to write realistic characters. Usually porn authors write the kind of characters they think, are the sexiest. His success depends on whether a large audience shares that opinion. E.g. very few women wear high heels while at home, but it undeniably looks hot. For a porn game developer it's important to know the psychology of his target audience not that of women who will never play his games any way.

 

[BrokenDreams]

Usually yes. Why would a straight man play a female protagonist game if it is not a lesbian game?

Hmmm...maybe not all guys self insert into the female MC,maybe some guys wants to help a female character to find love or to help them become sexually liberated(for lack of better words),maybe some guys want a good,coherent story with lots of erotic scenes and fem-pro games provide them as such.

I think you should make a thread about fem-pro games and straight males.I know there you will get more reasons to why many straight males enjoy non-lesbian fem-pro games.

 

[Ataios]

Hmmm...maybe not all guys self insert into the female MC,maybe some guys wants to help a female character to find love or to help them become sexually liberated(for lack of better words),maybe some guys want a good,coherent story with lots of erotic scenes and fem-pro games provide them as such.

As an extremely non-immersive player, I don't really understand people self-inserting in any character. But if a protagonist can have lesbian sex scenes, why be satisfied with straight ones?

 

[BrokenDreams]

As an extremely non-immersive player, I don't really understand people self-inserting in any character. But if a protagonist can have lesbian sex scenes, why be satisfied with straight ones?

If self immersion is not the problem then by that logic,straight males would not enjoy straight porn when there are many lesbian porn but the fact is most porn viewers are straight males and most popular porn is straight porn.So.....

In game universe,what is wrong with a girl MC wanting to have sex with a male?The last I checked,most woman/girl are straight/bisexual.

 

[Ataios]

If self immersion is not the problem then by that logic,straight males would not enjoy straight porn when there are many lesbian porn but the fact is most porn viewers are straight males and most popular porn is straight porn.So.....

In game universe,what is wrong with a girl MC wanting to have sex with a male?The last I checked,most woman/girl are straight/bisexual.

A straight male protagonist game is also in no way nearly as hot as a lesbian game, though I understand that this is different for immersive players. I don't mind female protagonists having romances with male characters in regular games, but in porn games, I see straight female protagonists as a lost opportunity.

 

[mesoru]

For me, it really doesn't matter if the game is on first or third person, cause i'm simply unable to self insert, especially in femMC games. But if i had to choose, i'd go with first person, cause it seems more natural in a game.
I play/read "Taimanin Asagi" to get tons of hot scenarios of my liking and h-scenes of female kunoichi(s) being sullied in multiple ways, not to project myself as her in those rapey situations. And most people i know that play those games don't do that as well.

 

[BrokenDreams]

A straight male protagonist game is also in no way nearly as hot as a lesbian game, though I understand that this is different for immersive players. I don't mind female protagonists having romances with male characters in regular games, but in porn games, I see straight female protagonists as a lost opportunity.

Being a straight male,if you like lesbian action more then straight action in real porn or porn games,then I can confidently say that this is a personal fetish of yours and does not reflect the general opinions.(As a straight male,I also like some good lesbian actions but to put it above straight actions,something doesn't feel right and I believe most people will see it that way)

 

[polywog]

Being a straight male,if you like lesbian action more then straight action in real porn or porn games,then I can confidently say that this is a personal fetish of yours and does not reflect the general opinions.(As a straight male,I also like some good lesbian actions but to put it above straight actions,something doesn't feel right and I believe most people will see it that way)

A lot of straight males like watching girls. If you like watching a sweaty hairy male in your porn scenes, I suggest that is a fetish of yours, and does not reflect a general consensus. The most popular porn by far is "solo girl".