Does Patreon bans step-sibilings?

Agent HK47

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As Adabelitoo said, Patreon doesn't distinquish between blood/step relations. Some people sent mails to Patreon, when they first banned incest and asked them specifically about their policy on step-incest, and their answer was basically: "If you at any point in your life called/viewed the person as "mom/sis/daughter/son" or whatever, then it is incest and NOT allowed."

I could probably find the post if I dug around for an hour or 2, but I don't really fancy doing that tbh, so you will just have to take my word on it, or ask Patreon yourself, to confirm my statement.
 
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I'm thinking in Renpy terms, but this should work in other cases as well. It goes along with the 'form' idea that you mentioned.

You'd create a variable that would add a descriptive word, that you'd use in this context. An example would be 'miss' as the default variable, but you could change it to 'mom'. Then write the story as if 'mom' were there, but the variable would replace 'mom' with 'miss'.

Similarly, 'roomie' could be the 'default' where you actually want 'sis'. I'm sure there's a more useful term you could use here, but I think you get the idea.

The variable name itself could be something short, like 'ls1'. You know that ls1 stands for little sister 1, but ls1 by itself could mean anything, should Patreon dive into your code looking for key terms or something.

You could also have 'ls1' and 'ls2' as descriptors for the same person, to allow for different terms of endearment. I.E. 'sis', 'lil lis', etc., which would replace say 'roomie' and 'girlie'. I suck at substitute terms, but you get the idea...

The intro dialgoue and such could also be tied to a variable. In this case, you'd have the 'Patreon safe' intro dialogue tied to a specific variable(s), but then there'd be a patch somewhere other than on Patreon that would change the text entry for said variables. You probably won't want players filling in these 'story' variables though. That'd be more suited to a patch, but I suppose if someone wanted to create an editable 'backstory' variable, so that someone could say create their own background, i.e. 'your a Martian that recently adopted human form blah blah'... well the rest of the story might not make sense with that background, but yeah...

This may mean that your story makes less sense with the default variables, at least as far as your intent for the story, but if you think creatively you can still make this work well enough. Just remember that most people are probably just playing your porn game for the fappable moments anyways... the story is just for tittilation purposes, it's just a steppingstone to get to the hot sexy renders that they want to see!

As for the 'patch' idea that you've seen elsewhere on this forum I'm guessing, well applying the patch would change the default variables to 'mom' 'sis' etc. for players installing the patch, so that players wouldn't have to guess at these themselves. Just don't share anything about the patch on your Patreon account, and see if you can get an anon to handle the patch for you, so that your own Patreon username isn't associated with the patch...

As you can see, it requires a little more forethought as to doing the scripting, but once you map out the descriptors in advance, it's pretty easy to just include the descriptor variables, similar to how you use name variables, in the dialogue. At least with Renpy.

I'm sure that RPGM and other engines have similar mechanics, but I've never messed with those. The concept is the same though!

BTW, a good example of where a developer had to 'bend' the story to meet the new patreon guidelines is Dreams of Desire. Mom became Mrs Turner in the 'rewrite', but some anon made a patch available that changed everything back of course. Might be worth a look.
 

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I suspect the only realistic way to bypass this stupidity is the classic (and ridiculously obvious) landlady/tenant/foreign exchange student thing. Have them occasionally refer to each other with some sort of nickname that an incest patch can easily replace with bro/sis/mom/etc. I've been struggling with this for my own game idea as well that will definitely include some brother/sister hanky panky.

I have heard that some games get banned if they include configurable nicknames built right into the game, probably for that very reason but it would be trivial to find/replace a nickname with a patch and there's really nothing they can do about it. Are they going to ban a game if some characters refer to someone as Jennifer, while others call her Jen? Nothing they can do about it.
 
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I'm thinking in Renpy terms, but this should work in other cases as well. It goes along with the 'form' idea that you mentioned.

You'd create a variable that would add a descriptive word, that you'd use in this context. An example would be 'miss' as the default variable, but you could change it to 'mom'. Then write the story as if 'mom' were there, but the variable would replace 'mom' with 'miss'.

Similarly, 'roomie' could be the 'default' where you actually want 'sis'. I'm sure there's a more useful term you could use here, but I think you get the idea.

The variable name itself could be something short, like 'ls1'. You know that ls1 stands for little sister 1, but ls1 by itself could mean anything, should Patreon dive into your code looking for key terms or something.

You could also have 'ls1' and 'ls2' as descriptors for the same person, to allow for different terms of endearment. I.E. 'sis', 'lil lis', etc., which would replace say 'roomie' and 'girlie'. I suck at substitute terms, but you get the idea...

The intro dialgoue and such could also be tied to a variable. In this case, you'd have the 'Patreon safe' intro dialogue tied to a specific variable(s), but then there'd be a patch somewhere other than on Patreon that would change the text entry for said variables. You probably won't want players filling in these 'story' variables though. That'd be more suited to a patch, but I suppose if someone wanted to create an editable 'backstory' variable, so that someone could say create their own background, i.e. 'your a Martian that recently adopted human form blah blah'... well the rest of the story might not make sense with that background, but yeah...

This may mean that your story makes less sense with the default variables, at least as far as your intent for the story, but if you think creatively you can still make this work well enough. Just remember that most people are probably just playing your porn game for the fappable moments anyways... the story is just for tittilation purposes, it's just a steppingstone to get to the hot sexy renders that they want to see!

As for the 'patch' idea that you've seen elsewhere on this forum I'm guessing, well applying the patch would change the default variables to 'mom' 'sis' etc. for players installing the patch, so that players wouldn't have to guess at these themselves. Just don't share anything about the patch on your Patreon account, and see if you can get an anon to handle the patch for you, so that your own Patreon username isn't associated with the patch...

As you can see, it requires a little more forethought as to doing the scripting, but once you map out the descriptors in advance, it's pretty easy to just include the descriptor variables, similar to how you use name variables, in the dialogue. At least with Renpy.

I'm sure that RPGM and other engines have similar mechanics, but I've never messed with those. The concept is the same though!

BTW, a good example of where a developer had to 'bend' the story to meet the new patreon guidelines is Dreams of Desire. Mom became Mrs Turner in the 'rewrite', but some anon made a patch available that changed everything back of course. Might be worth a look.

Man, you guys are next level helpfull, thanks! That gave me some ideas!

Sorry for not responding before, I just a hell of a week.

I suspect the only realistic way to bypass this stupidity is the classic (and ridiculously obvious) landlady/tenant/foreign exchange student thing. Have them occasionally refer to each other with some sort of nickname that an incest patch can easily replace with bro/sis/mom/etc. I've been struggling with this for my own game idea as well that will definitely include some brother/sister hanky panky.

I have heard that some games get banned if they include configurable nicknames built right into the game, probably for that very reason but it would be trivial to find/replace a nickname with a patch and there's really nothing they can do about it. Are they going to ban a game if some characters refer to someone as Jennifer, while others call her Jen? Nothing they can do about it.
Yup... I'm torn between a patch and a form. A patch is less likely to draw their attention, a form is easier for the user to tweak according to his/her preferences.

I just (as in the last 10 minutes) finished the prologue for my little VN, still no customization, I don't know if I should publish as it is now and fix this aspect later...

I guess I can spend a couple of days and begin the right way...

Anyway, thank all you guys for the responses, you guys are the best!
 

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Mr.Rodrigues Alright, I needed to kill a bit of time and decided to dig a little, just for you :). Took around 10-15 mins to find the post I was looking for. Here is a direct quote from Patreon themselves, recieved by the developer of "Man of the House", back when Patreon banned incest:
We define incest as sexual activity between family members or relatives. We also include larger extended family, which means that we don’t only look at the blood line but also stepfamily members whether or not they are bound by law. If for example the characters call each other sister and brother or mother and son, we will review the content as incest.

For clarification, your assumption is correct. The Community Guidelines apply to all content that is funded through Patreon -- this extends to content that is patron-only, as well as the content itself, no matter where it's shared with patrons. For example, I've seen creators where their Patreon page looks "clean," but saw that they kept sharing violative content through direct messages. This would still be a violation as the creator is using Patreon to fund and share the violative content.

As for your second question: hosting Patreon-funded content on other sites is acceptable as long as the content falls within our Community Guidelines. If we see violative Patreon-funded content linked back to Patreon, we reserve the right to hold the creator accountable to our guidelines.

I can see a creator having a "dual" presence online: a website that hosts content that's considered violative to Patreon's guidelines, and a Patreon account where they fund content of a different theme -- but there is no link or relation between the two. As long as there's no "Check out my Patreon page here" on the hosting website, then it wouldn't be a violation.
So there is your answer, directly from the source: Step or real - all of it is banned. Link to source: https://f95zone.to/threads/man-of-the-house-v1-0-2c-extra-faerin.3691/post-280382
 
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@Mr.Rodrigues Alright, I needed to kill a bit of time and decided to dig a little, just for you :).
Awww, thanks! Now I'm having mildly gay thoughts of you! #NoHomo Hahaha

Anyway, really thanks, this is actually very enlightening (for me, nos so much from them, hehe) so at least I should have some direction as to where to head from here.