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Not telling your bf that a guy hit on you today is cool, like who cares tbh but not telling your bf that your boss is hitting on you all the time, kissed you and you basically going out on dates with him is just not cool.
I get where you are coming from, but context is everything. If I think my bf would make a situation worse by flying off the handle and ruining things versus me being able to for example quietly gather evidence and squeeze him over time and then get what I want (talking to his own bosses or other entity like a Board for a nice severance package and him being fired to quietly leave the company and stay silent because no woman would stay working at that point) I'd definitely not say anything until I got what I wanted. Someone I know actually got quite a bit of money from a company for almost this exact scenario, and 95% of women panic or don't play it smart, but the smart ones would take advantage of it and return bad treatment with ten times worse treatment against them. Maybe you're also doing other women a favor by destroying such a man so it doesn't happen to anyone else. I would agree that if I am actually seeing things as a date (not something else) that is a bridge too far. No man should have to deal with a woman doing that...
 
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... No man should have to deal with a woman doing that...
I'll also add, and I quote Louise here:

"I'll be the good little girl, I'll abide by his stupid contract, but
when my time is done. I'll have my revenge."

Louise isn't as meek as people think she is. She knows what she is doing, problem is with our 'god eye' overview of the story, we know that shes in some real trouble.
 

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I'll also add, and I quote Louise here:

"I'll be the good little girl, I'll abide by his stupid contract, but
when my time is done. I'll have my revenge."

Louise isn't as meek as people think she is. She knows what she is doing, problem is with our 'god eye' overview of the story, we know that shes in some real trouble.
Yeah I don't think she sees it as dates at all, but if she did, I would agree with that poster about disclosure. :)
 

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no why dont you tell me
I assume you played the game, I haven't lmao. That's why I asked. I'm just looking for a good game without incest. If you don't know what the tag is for then I'm guessing it's for future content.
 

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I'm definitely a bit perplexed by some of the Louise treatment -- especially the idea of a woman hiding something unwanted from another man. I can tell you flat out that during prior relationships, I've been in countless situations being hit on or leered at, and at least almost a dozen more serious advances that were up to me to handle on my own. (which I can do just fine) I don't see the point of stressing out or worrying my boyfriend if it's already been handled. Now of course, if something is completely serious and you need real help then yeah...but I don't understand why one would judge this kind of silent treatment so harshly. I think almost every woman I know has hidden from their boyfriends situations with a slimy guy that they talked their way out of, etc. It's just too common and frequent to bother with reporting every time...

I view Louise as quite human and flawed, so it strikes me as realistic in a good way. The fact that she hid an unwanted kiss from her man is actually completely realistic and natural to me, and I absolutely would likely have reacted the same (not saying anything) but yes, doing something different with regards to the unwanted part! I feel like Louise is a real female, and I honestly don't get that very often from developers who tend to write women from a perspective of a male fantasy world than reality more often than not...so kudos from me. Keep going!
The issue lies in the "been handled" part. If the predatory behavior continues (and from her comments in the latest update it is) and the woman in question doesn't do everything in her power to distance herself, it's obviously not been handled by definition.

And when an otherwise grounded game (dealing with heavy, real stuff like death in the family), goes through impossible hoops to justify said situation not being handled, it sticks out. It required the signing of an impossible contract with ridiculous clauses from an artist (one of the most freelance professions in society), who didn't even bother to read it. And even if we accept that such a contract can happen, there is no way it wouldn't be void over sexual harassment charges, if the setting mirrors modern western society even a little. Fearing for her life because he is a lunatic or possible mob connections, are the only things that could justify her reluctance in a realistic way but she doesn't know any of that.

I get that dev wants to keep the creep around because he's obviously the villain of the story and part of the murder mystery. It's just the way they go about it that feels tacky to me and hurts the wife character.

Okay, we get it, you don't like Louise, the game, the idea that contracts have penalty clauses written into them. Move on my friend, there are plenty of other VN's on this site for you to enjoy.

Thank you for trying the VN, As I've said it's not for everyone. Maybe a future update will grab you. maybe not.
The part about penalty clauses...reductionism and you know it.

There are things I like (mystery, the black cop as the only capable dude, loopy insanity details in scenes) and things I dislike (how you write the two main characters). I can still enjoy a game detached from its MCs. You should want discussion about your game even if you don't agree with the feedback. Nobody talks about games no one gives a shit about.
 

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"I'll be the good little girl, I'll abide by his stupid contract, but
when my time is done. I'll have my revenge."

"I'll be the good little girl (go on dates with him and don't pass any time at all with my dear husband), I'll abide by his stupid contract (let him abuse me), but
when my time is done. I'll have my revenge."
She may get his revenge but I doubt she will have any husband left at all.

That is precisely what killed the game for me but we all like different stories so kudos to those people that accept such and defend such behavior. ¬shm¬
 
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I assume you played the game, I haven't lmao. That's why I asked. I'm just looking for a good game without incest. If you don't know what the tag is for then I'm guessing it's for future content.
im so sorry i thought you was asking me a stupid question my bad, the incest tag was there i think because of the daughter at the start and now the MCs cousin has now been introduced but so far no lewd scenes with any family member i dont know if that will change with the cousin but it might be optional anyway, apart from a dream at the start with the cousin
 
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You should want discussion about your game even if you don't agree with the feedback. Nobody talks about games no one gives a shit about.
Quite the contrary, I have been taking an active part in the discussions I may not always agree with them, I can only provide some context as to the intentions, but when you repeatedly go over the same subject over several posts, it is time to move on.

If you dislike a game, that's fine. but honestly there's no need to belabour a point.
 

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"I'll be the good little girl (go on dates with him and don't pass any time at all with my dear husband), I'll abide by his stupid contract (let him abuse me), but
when my time is done. I'll have my revenge."
She may get his revenge but I doubt she will have any husband left at all.

That is precisely what killed the game for me but we all like different stories so kudos to those people that accept such and defend such behavior.
okay, dude, we talked about this on discord. she is not going on dates with him. she's working in a studio he owns and consequently he owns the rights to her work produced in the studio. (she's not a freelance artist, she's signed to a gallery).

there's no dating involved. she'd be bloody bonkers to go on dates with the guy

and abiding by a contract has nothing to do with letting him abuse her. at all. nothing what-so-ever.

your putting stuff in that is not there. This is on you.
 
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There is a brief cousin scene at the start, but its there for story reasons (its really obvious why) other than that there is no incest in the game.

I thought the tag was removed? or w/e i dont touch the tags, mods do that.
 

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okay, dude, we talked about this on discord. she is not going on dates with him. she's working in a studio he owns and consequently he owns the rights to her work produced in the studio.

there's no dating involved. she'd be bloody bonkers to go on dates.

and abiding by a contract has nothing to do with letting him abuse her. at all. nothing what-so-ever.

your putting stuff in that is not there. This is on you.
but what about the dragon does she control it or is that the pixie, shit sorry im now putting stuff in thats no there
 

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okay, dude, we talked about this on discord. she is not going on dates with him. she's working in a studio he owns and consequently he owns the rights to her work produced in the studio.

there's no dating involved. she'd be bloody bonkers to go on dates.

and abiding by a contract has nothing to do with letting him abuse her. at all. nothing what-so-ever.

your putting stuff in that is not there. This is on you.
In this last update, she says "unwanted touches" so yes, he is abusing her, he forces her to go with him to "dates" even if she doesn't call it like that, he touches her and is clearly said by her, and he keeps trying to take advantage of her because of the contract. How is that not sexual abuse?
Anyway, I will drop this debate but you should think about this more and is very sad that you think this is on the "people".
Good luck.

no, I said you, not people. again, you are changing things to suit your own narrative. but the point is moot. lets agree to disagree. it's late and I'm tired.

I've a dragon to write into the story.
I did not lie about "unwanted touches" right? that is said by her in the game.
as for only me, it seems like some other people agree this is not normal behavior but yeah agree to disagree there.
 
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Anyway, I will drop this debate but you should think about this more and is very sad that you think this is on the "people".
Good luck.
no, I said you, not people. again, you are changing things to suit your own narrative. but the point is moot. lets agree to disagree. it's late and I'm tired.

I've a dragon to write into the story.
 
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no, I said you, not people. again, you are changing things to suit your own narrative. but the point is moot. lets agree to disagree. it's late and I'm tired.

I've a dragon to write into the story.
Yes a dragon, will we get to watch Louise fly around on the dragon shooting all the bad guys, actually no people would probably still find something to hate about that, like shes banging the dragon and spending more time with it instead of her husband
 

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There is a brief cousin scene at the start, but its there for story reasons (its really obvious why) other than that there is no incest in the game.

I thought the tag was removed? or w/e i dont touch the tags, mods do that.
man you hurt me. Poor me was hoping there will be something with cousin seeing that incest tag and you completely ruled her out. btw what 'story reasons' you're talking about?
 

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man you hurt me. Poor me was hoping there will be something with cousin seeing that incest tag and you completely ruled her out. btw what 'story reasons' you're talking about?
Ah perhaps I wasn't clear, sorry. I mean she's there at the start of the VN(but its a quick scene) but she does come back into the story at a later point.

if you've played the game u'll see what I mean :)
 
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