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The Dev said a month ago that her return was 'likely' just not for a while. I think a lot of people fell in love in Lyria (myself included) and were quite devastated at her leaving. No one likes it if there favorite is removed (I understand that). I'm lucky that I have other favorites too.

I also don't have the screenshots, but the Silas POV is so the dev can show us things that are happening in Eliot's world that affect him and that we wouldn't get to see without him. I get why people making decisions as a secondary MC can be annoying for people and I don't like multi-protag either.

Why I don't have a problem in this instance, is that I see him as an extension of the MC, making the decisions for Eliot, he/us are making the choices that will suit Eliot best, not Silas. I don't see him as a rival for the LIs. I'm 100% confident that he will not be after nor will have anything romantically to do with Amynth, Aria, Eris or Yana.


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Well, if the answer from the dev is to sit tight for 3+ years until a liked character comes back than I guess I'll come back in 3+ years when game 3 is in development.

This entire situation screams of a way too ambitious project that is never going to come close to finishing.
 

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But you also must remember something about Lyria as well is that elves mate for life. So if she does comeback with a plotline that conflicts with magnus it will be an interesting see it play out considering her deep feelings for him and the virginity she gave to him.
 

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I have a deep yearning every time Amynth speaks to want to tell her to shut the fuck up. She makes veiled threats constantly like she's going to do anything to you when from the start she states god gave you a destiny and her doing anything to you would go against it. She's annoying af. Way too OP to be conveniently dependent upon you and ffs can she just say a sentence that has a point without pontificating or platforming her ego into it? She calls you a liar for not answering questions she never asked. Then apologizes, and the MC just accepts it like anyone would've put up with her being a fucking nut. Just reading her dialogue tires me. This is the purest definition of over writing. I'm literally skipping through her dialogue because I know for a fact that I'm not missing anything of substance or value.

Do you think this paragraph is a bit much? GOOD. This is exactly what all her dialogue is. Dancing around a point long enough for me to want to skip through half of it just to save myself the headache.
 
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She kinda leaves again for a reason that makes a degree of sense to me considering her character's background and general take on the path Magnus is taking. That said it is not nearly as final as people are making it sound and all things considered there are plenty ways for her to be reintroduced into the story, to make her have much more impact.

As of where the story leaves off she has by far the least general relevance in terms of both capability and stake in the overall plot, and the only thing that makes her notable is the fact she was the first LI we were introduced to unless she gained some sort of power up and some sort of conflict or stake in the current situation it is likely for her to have been overshadowed, It makes perfect sense for her to be temporarily and organically removed from the story until she can be reintegrated in a situation where her presence can shine.

Like seriously Yana is now royalty and has a personal stake in Magnus' success outside of her relevance as an LI, in the fact that she needs him to be successful for her people to have a chance at not being stuck in the hellscape that is the demon realm. There is also the way she helps move him away from his past since he can now acknowledge and even appreciate the presence of a demon something that would have been unfathomable to his prior life.
Eris is a goddess, and has had a personal stake in all of Magnus lives due to her love, and has been quietly been helping him time after time even spending her divinity and breaking rules that would have led to her annihilation to save him and extend the lives of his parents when they should have died.
Aria is literally his right hand, his advisor in everything that has been so far and one of the strongest mages we have seen in the story to date, not only does she have a personal stake in his success since her life is tied to his due to her role, she is also a notable force in her own right and even with all of this she has still been relatively overshadowed by Yana and Amynth since they both just had mini arcs dedicated to them.
Amynth who is apparently a fundamental aspect of reality given form and sentience has pretty much been the focus of the past few mini arcs, and is literally fate tied to Magnus by some uber godlike being who is the creator of the verse and is meant to be a guiding hand to Magnus now that he is apparently The One's chosen soldier to right the world of it's many wrongs. Oh she is also the queen of a major world power to boot and the primary claim to legitimacy for Magnus's territory. In comparison Lyria's only significance is essentially the "childhood friend" role, since her claim to fame is really just the fact that she was the first LI he knew and we were introduced to.

Point is that all the others rn have stakes, strength and presence in the story that Lyria was lacking and unless something drastic happened that wasn't set to change which would have left her in the background of the others story wise for a good while, rather than let her rot in the background it makes sense to have her go her own way organically and reimplement her back into the story later on in a way that would give her more agency as a character and give her a similar level of significance to the others, this could be due to a conflict with elves since they hate Eris, maybe a power up that is forced upon her by Eris' sister making her a reluctant enemy and forcing Magnus to tackle a god personally, or maybe she reappears in some future plotline where Magnus is forced to contend with the guild and it's enigmatic leader. Those are just 3 plotlines I can see her coming back in and there are likely plenty more that would boost her significance and stake in the story other than being interested in Magnus since literally every LI can say the same.
Amen. This can be summarized to one thing... don't presume to know what you don't know. Cause, in the end, it is just that. Your presumptions.

Apparently, I have a clone running around, as I don't recall where, when, how, and why I confirmed anything about anything. I saw someone said "Main LI is gone!" Who said this? Where they said it? When they said it? Cause it sure as fuck wasn't me.

Who said Lyria is main LI? If it isn't from me, then it is false and misinformation. As I told in conversation with people, who are actually civilized enough to ask me like a normal human being. Yes, she gets back in Elleria 3.


2nd topic of this fucked up thread. Silas.

I remember in the start, when people complained about black screens... and how they're unaware of half the things that go in the background, not giving them enough info on story itself. Hence, Silas was made. As a spyglass, that allows the player to see how main character knows things A, B, C and why he would perhaps do D, E, F afterwards.

Then I expanded on his role and gave him a different purpose, cause, I said, why the hell not. It could be fun. But... here's the thing... when, where and who said this won't be skippable starting Book 2? When did I ever claim or confirm that you can't skip his part ( but then you won't know half the shit ) ? Never. Ever.


3. "If the answer is to sit +3 years of development for character to come back." Right, this is one of the reasons I rarely visit this place anymore, yeah, talking to you, you entitled little fuck. Are you paying for this? Am I taking money off of anyone here on monthly basis from patreon, subscribestart, etcetera? No.

I'm not. I have no support platforms. You know why? Precisely because of this. My money, my rules. Don't like it? Take a fucking hike. Think you can do better? Go ahead, render and write 12 hours a day every day for a full fucking year to finish something. Be my guest. And then see how it feels when someone shits on you for something that they didn't even pay for, but you printed out almost 12 hours of content in a single year.

Fucking ridiculous behavior.


I can understand a lot of shit, and I try to be as reasonable as I can. I don't recall ever turning down anyone who came to my discord, and told me they can't afford the game... I give em access for it for nothing. Cause... why wouldn't I help out if they're in some pesky financial situation?

And then... there's people like you. Encouraging me to be an absolute fucking asshole, cause if I give a hand you want an arm.


Is this AI translated at all?
No. I just geared down on writing speeds, and I dedicate more time into it. Which... comes at a different price but yeah. I also got an Editor in case of emergency fires, so stuff doesn't end up butchered like CH1 and 2 were.


That's about that. Rest of shit isn't even worth answering and I won't. As for everyone else... if you don't know something, then ask me. But ask me in a normal way, like a normal fucking person. And I'll give you a normal fucking answer.

P.S: Some of you say Eliot is an asshole.. yeah, yeah he is in scenes where he has to be. But even Eliot can't compete with some assholes in this thread, you top him up.
 

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Amen. This can be summarized to one thing... don't presume to know what you don't know. Cause, in the end, it is just that. Your presumptions.

Apparently, I have a clone running around, as I don't recall where, when, how, and why I confirmed anything about anything. I saw someone said "Main LI is gone!" Who said this? Where they said it? When they said it? Cause it sure as fuck wasn't me.

Who said Lyria is main LI? If it isn't from me, then it is false and misinformation. As I told in conversation with people, who are actually civilized enough to ask me like a normal human being. Yes, she gets back in Elleria 3.


2nd topic of this fucked up thread. Silas.

I remember in the start, when people complained about black screens... and how they're unaware of half the things that go in the background, not giving them enough info on story itself. Hence, Silas was made. As a spyglass, that allows the player to see how main character knows things A, B, C and why he would perhaps do D, E, F afterwards.

Then I expanded on his role and gave him a different purpose, cause, I said, why the hell not. It could be fun. But... here's the thing... when, where and who said this won't be skippable starting Book 2? When did I ever claim or confirm that you can't skip his part ( but then you won't know half the shit ) ? Never. Ever.


3. "If the answer is to sit +3 years of development for character to come back." Right, this is one of the reasons I rarely visit this place anymore, yeah, talking to you, you entitled little fuck. Are you paying for this? Am I taking money off of anyone here on monthly basis from patreon, subscribestart, etcetera? No.

I'm not. I have no support platforms. You know why? Precisely because of this. My money, my rules. Don't like it? Take a fucking hike. Think you can do better? Go ahead, render and write 12 hours a day every day for a full fucking year to finish something. Be my guest. And then see how it feels when someone shits on you for something that they didn't even pay for, but you printed out almost 12 hours of content in a single year.

Fucking ridiculous behavior.


I can understand a lot of shit, and I try to be as reasonable as I can. I don't recall ever turning down anyone who came to my discord, and told me they can't afford the game... I give em access for it for nothing. Cause... why wouldn't I help out if they're in some pesky financial situation?

And then... there's people like you. Encouraging me to be an absolute fucking asshole, cause if I give a hand you want an arm.




No. I just geared down on writing speeds, and I dedicate more time into it. Which... comes at a different price but yeah. I also got an Editor in case of emergency fires, so stuff doesn't end up butchered like CH1 and 2 were.


That's about that. Rest of shit isn't even worth answering and I won't. As for everyone else... if you don't know something, then ask me. But ask me in a normal way, like a normal fucking person. And I'll give you a normal fucking answer.

P.S: Some of you say Eliot is an asshole.. yeah, yeah he is in scenes where he has to be. But even Eliot can't compete with some assholes in this thread, you top him up.
For someone only doing this for yourself, you seem to care greatly about how people are taking the latest chapter.

This is a pirate forum for people to discuss games. If you dont like that then just dont post on here man.

When you make 90% of the first game interactions between one girl and the MC, she talks about her species only having one partner for life, how hes the only human to ever be reasonable with her....yea people think shes a fucking main love interest. Dont be pissed off when suddenly you pull the girl the fucking game is known for away and try to have some smart ass comment about never saying she was a main LI.

The first time she was separated the blowback was the exact same, people were pissed off she wasnt part of the story anymore, and this reaction could have been seen a mile away. Like it or not, people get attached to characters and when those characters go away well, so does the interest in the story.

Saying to wait for 3 years? Well its taken over a year for this game so far, assuming the 2nd is around the same time that puts us at 3 years to see the character they like again. Its just math man.

All that said, its your fucking game you can do whatever you want. But people can like, or dislike whatever they want and can talk about it on a free fucking pirate forum.
 

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For someone only doing this for yourself, you seem to care greatly about how people are taking the latest chapter.

This is a pirate forum for people to discuss games. If you dont like that then just dont post on here man.

When you make 90% of the first game interactions between one girl and the MC, she talks about her species only having one partner for life, how hes the only human to ever be reasonable with her....yea people think shes a fucking main love interest. Dont be pissed off when suddenly you pull the girl the fucking game is known for away and try to have some smart ass comment about never saying she was a main LI.

The first time she was separated the blowback was the exact same, people were pissed off she wasnt part of the story anymore, and this reaction could have been seen a mile away. Like it or not, people get attached to characters and when those characters go away well, so does the interest in the story.

Saying to wait for 3 years? Well its taken over a year for this game so far, assuming the 2nd is around the same time that puts us at 3 years to see the character they like again. Its just math man.

All that said, its your fucking game you can do whatever you want. But people can like, or dislike whatever they want and can talk about it on a free fucking pirate forum.
Yes. I care about 2 things: False claims. Misinformation.

Not critiques, not justified saying something is shit if it is shit. Even if shit is subject to personal interpretation, right? And not at all, I'm not pissed off about someone disliking if their fav char isn't around and about.

I'm irritated by the fact people keep saying stuff that is simply not true, over asking me directly. One person says one thing, another says another. And the third person comes and hell breaks loose... what the hell for, right?

And oh man, if this place was just a place to debate or have civilized discussions... that'd be the day. But it isn't. Half the time it isn't civilized critiques... it is random ass comments full of hate, spite, and dislike of something that... well.. someone dislikes. Its so obvious even a blind person can see it.

And you're absolutely right by the way, people can like / dislike whatever they want and talk about it. But see... here's the thing... when I like / dislike something, I'm not a fucking asshole about it. I will comment on it, but I will comment like a normal person. OR... I'll go about my business.

Which is more than can be said for most folks around F95.


Also, nah, it isn't about saying "math 3 years". Its in the way it is said.. people here complain and rage at developers who milk them for years and months, with absolute right.

But then... I do the opposite, and its still isn't good enough. That's the whole point. There is no "win" here. It is always a losing situation, especially for developers. Believe what you want to believe, but I've been around here long enough to know the fuck I'm talking about.
 

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Yes. I care about 2 things: False claims. Misinformation.

Not critiques, not justified saying something is shit if it is shit. Even if shit is subject to personal interpretation, right? And not at all, I'm not pissed off about someone disliking if their fav char isn't around and about.

I'm irritated by the fact people keep saying stuff that is simply not true, over asking me directly. One person says one thing, another says another. And the third person comes and hell breaks loose... what the hell for, right?

And oh man, if this place was just a place to debate or have civilized discussions... that'd be the day. But it isn't. Half the time it isn't civilized critiques... it is random ass comments full of hate, spite, and dislike of something that... well.. someone dislikes. Its so obvious even a blind person can see it.

And you're absolutely right by the way, people can like / dislike whatever they want and talk about it. But see... here's the thing... when I like / dislike something, I'm not a fucking asshole about it. I will comment on it, but I will comment like a normal person. OR... I'll go about my business.

Which is more than can be said for most folks around F95.


Also, nah, it isn't about saying "math 3 years". Its in the way it is said.. people here complain and rage at developers who milk them for years and months, with absolute right.

But then... I do the opposite, and its still isn't good enough. That's the whole point. There is no "win" here. It is always a losing situation, especially for developers. Believe what you want to believe, but I've been around here long enough to know the fuck I'm talking about.
I've been here since 2017, i've seen all the shit too.

What part exactly are people getting wrong about the last update?

Is Lyria going away from now until game 3?

If book 2 isnt about the MC, than she most likely isnt a LI in the second book unless a huge turn is taken with her character which wouldnt fit in the story at all imo.

Is it about her being a Main LI? I don't really see how you can blame people for that seeing how she was introduced in the first game and all the interactions MC and her had. If it was intended or not, she very clearly was portrayed as "This girl is extremely important to the MC" And her telling the story about her people and how they only have one partner and she chose him is a pretty obvious LI flag.

Those are really the two big things Ive seen complained about really...
 
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I've been here since 2017, i've seen all the shit too.

What part exactly are people getting wrong about the last update?

Is Lyria going away from now until game 3?

If book 2 isnt about the MC, than she most likely isnt a LI in the second book unless a huge turn is taken with her character which wouldnt fit in the story at all imo.

Is it about her being a Main LI? I don't really see how you can blame people for that seeing how she was introduced in the first game and all the interactions MC and her had. If it was intended or not, she very clearly was portrayed as "This girl is extremely important to the MC" And her telling the story about her people and how they only have one partner and she chose him is a pretty obvious LI flag.

Those are really the two big things Ive seen complained about really...
Yes, she is. ( What I am referring to is people who were claiming "permanently gone." )

Book 2 IS about MC. Book 2 just resumes where Book 1 stopped. With a bit of a time skip, but it resumes there, along with conclusion to the fight of B1 end.

Also, there was a LOT of stuff introduced and a LOT of characters as well. You can't point a finger at me for personal interpretations or what you believe is right. You can point said finger IF... you ask me.... and I say so myself. Otherwise, no, you can't. You can't hold me responsible for "I THINK I KNOW."

And come on brother, there is a lot more than that in these 64 pages. If it was only that, you'd not hear a single sentence from me.

Either way, I'm not going to allow myself to be dragged into these pointless debates, cause, lets be honest, they're pointless. You know that as much as I do. Its just a matter of time before someone jumps in with something and whole shit goes haywire.

But to answer your question from before... you're right. It is that easy. It is that simple. I can close the tab and never open it again... but I do, occasionally. Why?

To try and find actually useful feedback from people who actually are capable of writing one. Not the "Hurr durr, this is shit." , "Hurr durr, kinetic." - "Hurr durr, not enough tits."

And to keep an eye on bugs, which, for example, whoever leaked this version right now, despite me warning in advance to give me time to patch the game and fix stuff... didn't do so. So, now, you've got a bugged ass version here.
 

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Yes, she is. ( What I am referring to is people who were claiming "permanently gone." )

Book 2 IS about MC. Book 2 just resumes where Book 1 stopped. With a bit of a time skip, but it resumes there, along with conclusion to the fight of B1 end.

Also, there was a LOT of stuff introduced and a LOT of characters as well. You can't point a finger at me for personal interpretations or what you believe is right. You can point said finger IF... you ask me.... and I say so myself. Otherwise, no, you can't. You can't hold me responsible for "I THINK I KNOW."

And come on brother, there is a lot more than that in these 64 pages. If it was only that, you'd not hear a single sentence from me.

Either way, I'm not going to allow myself to be dragged into these pointless debates, cause, lets be honest, they're pointless. You know that as much as I do. Its just a matter of time before someone jumps in with something and whole shit goes haywire.

But to answer your question from before... you're right. It is that easy. It is that simple. I can close the tab and never open it again... but I do, occasionally. Why?

To try and find actually useful feedback from people who actually are capable of writing one. Not the "Hurr durr, this is shit." , "Hurr durr, kinetic." - "Hurr durr, not enough tits."

And to keep an eye on bugs, which, for example, whoever leaked this version right now, despite me warning in advance to give me time to patch the game and fix stuff... didn't do so. So, now, you've got a bugged ass version here.
To be completely honest..thats kind of what I thought. You haven't responded to the other parts of the questions I had asked which leads me to believe there isnt a good answer for them other than "because I said so" which people are just going to be pissed about.

This just seems like a my way or the highway thing, which again is fine as its not me who is making the game. But you just cant be pissed off when people don't want to go on the same vacation as you and use the forum as a place to say so.

For someone like me, anecdotally this is just another game that went in a direction that wasnt for me and sits in a watched thread state checking in from time to time to see if changes happen to be more in line with what I liked before. Which is fine, not every game made has to be something I enjoy. Its always just a shame when you are 70% through a story and a sudden change "ruins" it for you.
 

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Are you paying for this? Am I taking money off of anyone here on monthly basis from patreon, subscribestart, etcetera? No. I'm not. I have no support platforms. You know why? Precisely because of this. My money, my rules. Don't like it? Take a fucking hike. Think you can do better? Go ahead, render and write 12 hours a day every day for a full fucking year to finish something. Be my guest. And then see how it feels when someone shits on you for something that they didn't even pay for, but you printed out almost 12 hours of content in a single year.

I can understand a lot of shit, and I try to be as reasonable as I can. I don't recall ever turning down anyone who came to my discord, and told me they can't afford the game... I give em access for it for nothing. Cause... why wouldn't I help out if they're in some pesky financial situation?
While I do like Lyria and welcome her sticking around or coming back around (especially being an elf and having years of history with the MC), I admittedly have been playing the version of Elleria that was leaked here, and thus despite any criticisms I definitely feel fortunate to have gotten some enjoyment out of this AVN and expect that this will continue as I play more of it. Speaking of Patreon, SubscribeStar, etc. I do not have any subscriptions on such sites and do not intend to in the future. (And there must be many others with an interest in AVNs for whom this is the case.)

Therefore, all of my adult game purchases take place on Itch, Steam, or GOG. So if I'm interested enough and want to support development, that's where a developer would get money from me. I already have bookmarked this game on Steam and plan to purchase it soon. Thanks for the entertainment and specifically the hot sex scenes interspersed in the story. I am a fan of AVNs with fantasy themes.
 
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While I do like Lyria and welcome her sticking around or coming back around (especially being an elf and having years of history with the MC), I admittedly have been playing the version of Elleria that was leaked here, and thus despite any criticisms I definitely feel fortunate to have gotten some enjoyment out of this AVN and expect that this will continue as I play more of it. Speaking of Patreon, SubscribeStar, etc. I do not have any subscriptions on such sites and do not intend to in the future. (And there must be many others with an interest in AVNs for whom this is the case.)

Therefore, all of my adult game purchases take place on Itch, Steam, or GOG. So if I'm interested enough and want to support development, that's where a developer would get money from me. I already have bookmarked this game on Steam and plan to purchase it soon. Thanks for the entertainment and specifically the hot sex scenes interspersed in the story. I am a fan of AVNs with fantasy themes.
Fair enough, especially given dev practices these days. Its more than fair to be suspicious about stuff. And thanks, likewise, glad I managed to do at least few bits right for you to enjoy.

Thanks for playing.
 
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Don't see the problem, Lyria was great and all, but the point in leaving here behind in the first place was to fufill his mission and carry the burden himself initially. This was clearly explained several times. She tracked him down, and to be honest, he has to become a force and she would have frankly given him pause. It was for her own good in the long run. She will probably be there at the end to help bring him back after using the sword in the coming wars. Diid he not question how he treated Morgana to Aria? He is in a bit of a pickle and is struggling to keep his morality and resolve and he will fail without likeminded allies next to him.

It is weird that Eris did not warn him the queen was her apparent aunt though. seems like important information
Aunt? More like her step sister, considering both were "created" by "The One" (albeit with a different role in the Pantheon).

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I'm looking forward to see what events will unfold in book 2. I bought the game yesterday on Steam after trying chapter 1-3. I see a lot of people criticizing this game as being too verbose, but I found all the conversation to be quite meaningful to understand the characters and the context of the story. I also hope to see the return of Lyria sometime in the future, but not just as another "addition" to the harem. If she has to be part of the cast again, I trust the developer will not simply imagine a situation were she pops up one day telling the MC: "OK, I missed you, here I am." I expect some conflict, unresolved issues and even some scenarios which will strain their relationship even further.
 
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Aunt? More like her step sister, considering both originate from "the one" (albeit with a different role in the Pantheon).

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He just sparkled some ... well... uh... glitter on her, that's all. Eris is normal human if we take that out of equation, the glitter that is.

As for Amynth, no. She has no such feelings towards her, she's just an enforcer. Or if you'd like, there are rules and she is the moderator. And in comparison, she is by far the nicest moderator in the group.
 

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Apparently, I have a clone running around, as I don't recall where, when, how, and why I confirmed anything about anything. I saw someone said "Main LI is gone!" Who said this? Where they said it? When they said it? Cause it sure as fuck wasn't me.
Ahh that feeling
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