If like to know which scenes if available. I know there are several scenes I was looking forward to (mermaid, cyber/alien classmates or Bayonetta as examples). Also... I hope Nenad starts unifying the plots soon. It's starting to get out of hand.
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Seems to me there is a new save location that is why old saves dont work. I tried duplicating the V0.20 saves and nothing seems to change to the old save location. Anybody figured where the new save location is?
:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Onen\Eon Ch 1 Singularity
Old saves won't load anyway
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His game gets overlooked and players are more interested in renpy games where you can just skip through everything to see the sex scenes.
He has tried to be friendly to pirates, he even used to post here, but people didn't treat him well here and his Patreon didn't gain anything from that
There are some renpy games out there exploiting lonely people with uwu waifu stuff and making 10k+ on Patreon. The amount of Patrons you have really isn't indicative of quality
Games like EON and The Night Driver are very good and most importantly - unique. But look at how much they're making. The dev of The Night Driver makes less than 300 dollars monthly. And these devs play fair, without a constant vortex of bs excuses around them, they always deliver on time
I don't think you guys really understand how unprofitable this really is for him. In Croatia he would get more money working at McDonalds than he makes from Patreon after all the taxes are paid
Well said. Yeah, I actually do get it. And I certainly agree that Nenad's games are underrated and he deserves more--not only because the game is unique, but also because his work ethic is solid. He's one of the few I subscribe to because I believe those two things.
But my point is still valid, I think, about Nenad's move of locking up his game being risky. To what extent pirating games is moral is a whole other debate, but a certain fact remains: in a world of free porn, these devs are competing for the small part of the population willing to donate. Again, it's not the most moral system, and both patrons and devs can get screwed, but it is the way things are. And to compete for this small number of people who can/are willing to donate, a dev needs to get as many eyes as possible on his or her game.
F95zone can provide these views, and I'd think the site is especially helpful because I'd guess it's hard to advertise elsewhere. Not many places will advertise sex games, simply because of the nature of the product. Can't advertise on YouTube, for example, for obvious reasons. For me, I would have never heard of Nenad if not for F95zone.
But I appreciate your comment. It's a very gray situation.
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He locked only the last version, you can play 0.19 for free...and this happens with every release.
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I will say another thing:
I sometimes support Nenad but I would prefer a payment that wasn't through Patreon, that I dislike.
I sometimes support Nenad but I would prefer a payment that wasn't through Patreon, that I dislike.
I agree 100%!
A few scenes per update and quite often not something particularly interesting - like Steven (or another male MC) is going to have sex with some 'grand-mother' looking ladies?!
How many new scenes with Jade in the last few updates (and she is one of the hottest FMCs)?!
I think a lot of people would be waiting for the end of the game (or at least for the end of the Season 1, or something). For example, I waited for the end of the game "Treasure of Nadia" and enjoyed playing the whole game, without constant checking "is a new update ready?"
People used to buy finished games and enjoy playing them in the old times, so maybe that is where this particular (sex-game) industry is heading now - why pay for a game every month when you don't even know if this game will be finished one day?
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The answer is so simple and obvious and I don't get why some of you miss it completely.
You're NOT paying for the game. You support the developer, because he's not a AAA company, it's a simple guy like you and me working by himself. He can't die of hunger for 2-3 years until the game is done and you pay 10$ for it. So, it's a purely voluntary payment, to support him during development. Of course, you may end up paying 10x the value of the game, but you do it as I said, voluntarily, to support a guy you 'like'.
If you don't want that, you simply buy the game when it's done. It's exactly an early access that AAA do, for bug fixing, feature polish etc. but for a simple dev, is more about survival to finish the game.
Nothing really changed since 'old times', it just added new steps on the way, that you can just ignore. And that is because now games are not just made by big companies with a lot of money behind them, but by simple people or very small teams, working in their free time. And if it's not in their free time, but in their 'all' time, the guy needs to make a decent living, doesn't he ?
And if the guy wants the absolute last version to be available only to paying customers while he offers the previous version free for anyone, it's not such a big deal, isn't it ? People want everything NOW, free, screw the guy working his days and nights for that.
You're NOT paying for the game. You support the developer, because he's not a AAA company, it's a simple guy like you and me working by himself. He can't die of hunger for 2-3 years until the game is done and you pay 10$ for it. So, it's a purely voluntary payment, to support him during development. Of course, you may end up paying 10x the value of the game, but you do it as I said, voluntarily, to support a guy you 'like'.
If you don't want that, you simply buy the game when it's done. It's exactly an early access that AAA do, for bug fixing, feature polish etc. but for a simple dev, is more about survival to finish the game.
Nothing really changed since 'old times', it just added new steps on the way, that you can just ignore. And that is because now games are not just made by big companies with a lot of money behind them, but by simple people or very small teams, working in their free time. And if it's not in their free time, but in their 'all' time, the guy needs to make a decent living, doesn't he ?
And if the guy wants the absolute last version to be available only to paying customers while he offers the previous version free for anyone, it's not such a big deal, isn't it ? People want everything NOW, free, screw the guy working his days and nights for that.
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The answer is so simple and obvious and I don't get why you miss it completely
If you have "Last version 5$ otherwise no last version" it's not about support anymore. It's a public offer
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Don't assume we're all clueless. I get what you're saying; I can easily imagine why Nenad is locking his game up, but I only think he might be shooting himself in the foot, for reasons I already described.
I agree with an earlier one of your comments, where you say this game is exceptional in its scope and uniqueness. That's why I'm even bothering to comment at all. And that is why I personally support him and would encourage others to do so, if they can. I want to see this game survive and Nenad get more supporters, just as much as you do. So when I say F95zone, because of its immense popularity (can you think of a better site that could bring as much attention to the population about his game?), is likely a boon for would-be developers, I say that in his best interest, not because I just want free stuff.
But you've never made a counter argument to F95zone being something of a boon, only painted Nenad as something of a victim (which I get), so I think you're generally assuming what Nenad is assuming: that if he locks his game up, he'll get more patrons, because now they'll be forced to pay. Nenad might be right: maybe there is a small subset of the population who is on the fence about subscribing and might do so now, because they're forced to. But I'd wager the opposite, for a reason I already mentioned: in a world of free porn, most people will shrug their shoulders and go play something else.
I'm on your side, my dude. I want to see Nenad get more support. I just have a different opinion on the best way forward. Locking his game up is not the solution. It has something to do with the game itself. Though you and I might agree that the game is clearly a cut about the rest, for some reason it's not attracting the subscribers it deserves. Consider the works of Shakespeare: his plays are considered the greatest written in the English language . . . but most people are reading Twilight or 50 Shades of Gray. The last two books, though horrible in my opinion, experienced huge success while Shakespeare goes largely forgotten. Why is that? Because they tapped the market in juuuuust the right way.
I'm not saying Nenad should make his game stupider, but his game is likely not tapping the market in the right way. If I were in his shoes, I would start to consider why devs like Sad Crab and their game Innocent Witches is raking in $20k a month on nothing but empty promises and empty deliveries. Their game is still pirated and they've done an atrocious job--yet still they are making tons of money. How can that be? What is it about the concept of the game that has made them so successful, for it is only a concept that they have sold for years and years. This is something of a rhetorical question; I don't want an answer to it. I only bring up Sad Crab to show how complex and counterintuitive this market can be.
So in Nenad, we have a rare case of a developer who pumps out good work and consistently. He ticks the right boxes of what we'd hope for in a truly good developer. From his track record, we can know that our monthly investments will get something in return. But he's borderline "starving." So why isn't his game getting more subscribers? Especially when so many horrible developers are getting much, much more for so much less production?
It can't be just the pirating, because those other horrible devs are pirated too. It must be something about the game. Can you think of any potential flaws? Anything that might be a turn off to the general population? I can, but I've talked long enough in this post. If anyone actually wants me to detail what I think those flaws are, I'll do so in another post.
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Basically you're right about that book comparison. It's what I wanted to say, but using more 'harsh' words. Yes, the current public wants simple stuff. Should he make that ? Maybe, maybe not. He likes what he's doing and someone needs to do quality stuff, it can't all be tiktok and crap. I'm also not sure how he can make money, that's the problem when you're a bit smarter than the average, you know how to work well, not how to make money.
The only way I see it to make money is to go to Steam or other platforms, which he intends to do. Then he'll have access to a larger audience and 5% of 10.000 here is less than 5% of 100 million there. So he might find a bigger audience there.
The only way I see it to make money is to go to Steam or other platforms, which he intends to do. Then he'll have access to a larger audience and 5% of 10.000 here is less than 5% of 100 million there. So he might find a bigger audience there.
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I think a big problem is that there are really 3 stories. I don't know if you feel the same way, but some are quite interesting and you'd like to see how they continue, but at the current pace I'll be dead before I find out how it continues, I know not how long he plans to make the game or whether all 3 will come together in the end but I can understand why this won't be a main stream project because after 3 updates you'll have forgotten everything about the story... if only we had one story now If, for example, we had Drake then we would be there over 100 scenes...
I have a lot of respect for someone making a game like this alone and I know Nenad is following along
but 3 stories is too much for one person aloneI totally agree with you about a potential problem being there are too many plot lines. Or, the problem might not necessarily be the number of plot lines--only that each update focuses on too many at once.I think a big problem is that there are really 3 stories. I don't know if you feel the same way, but some are quite interesting and you'd like to see how they continue, but at the current pace I'll be dead before I find out how it continues, I know not how long he plans to make the game or whether all 3 will come together in the end but I can understand why this won't be a main stream project because after 3 updates you'll have forgotten everything about the story... if only we had one story now If, for example, we had Drake then we would be there over 100 scenes...
I have a lot of respect for someone making a game like this alone and I know Nenad is following along
Variety of love interests is good--to an extent. But when a game has soooo many love interests and not a single one is focused on with any sustained attention, I feel like I can't get overly invested in any one plot/quest. It feels like the game is jumping around too much. With a lot of his updates, I'll often start getting invested in one quest, only for it to end before any actual sex scene unfolds, so then I'll have to wait until the next update--or whenever Nenad gets around to adding to that quest, out of the bazillion other quests he has to address. And by the time this particular quest is readdressed, I might have forgotten why I was interested in the first place.
I think this variety is good when the game is complete, like when I played Willy D. Since the game was complete, I could pursue any particular plot I wanted. But now playing Eon update to update, I don't get to choose on the quests that interest me, so kind of get blue-balled here and there, or just bored. I am forced to wade through quests I might not care about, unsure whether I'll even be rewarded.
If it were my game, I'd focus on one to three quests for each update and work on shaping them so they have a gradual buildup and eventual release. On a fundamental level, I think these games are about establishing walls/tension between the main characters and the love interests and then breaking through those walls. If a game is constantly speeding through a plethora of love interests, there's never really any time for sexual tension to increase, because the player's attention is always forced to jump around.
Of course, I want to clarify that I wouldn't recommend Nenad develop only one or two plot lines or over the expanse of like two or three updates. Rather, for each update, don't bother with developing small portions of several plots that won't have sex scenes in that update; instead, focus on fully fleshing out ONLY the quests that will have sex scenes.
Developing the updates in this manner--by focusing each update only on quests that will get sex scenes--will solve another potentially irritating factor: the quest system itself. Essentially, the game has you doing various tasks throughout a few sprawling landscapes. These are fine and I don't mind them, and they make the game feel more immersive for me--but only if I get rewarded for going through them. That is, in any one update, I find it highly irritating to go out gathering a plethora of iron, coal, wood, etc., for a particular quest, only to find out that once I gather the resources, nothing happens. Or I go talk to this character and then that character and then, okay, the sex scene is surely around the corner--nope! Then I go do a single task for one quest and a random sex scene unfolds.
This sort of situation is unwarranted. I'd wager that NOBODY wants to grind out any type of game for a reward that might come in a future update. Providing grindy tasks with no reward is a quick way to turn people off to your game, even if the story world is rich and detailed and has depth. With each update, none of the player's efforts or time should be wasted, especially because attention spans are short.
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Let's take a break from all these philosophical discussion and get back to the game.
I know there's already a google doc with the collectibles, but I never found it complete or it takes very long until it's updated. Even now, it's a few versions behind. So, I made another one, but also with images now. You have an overview of all the Dolls, with simple locations but sometimes also with more details, if needed.
To see the images, simply expand the rows, I made them collapsible so they take less space and you quickly see and go where you want.
What I can guarantee it's gonna be updated as soon as the new version is out and I play it. So, usually, a few hours after release at most.
I don't know if it's of any value for anyone, I hope it is, maybe it's worth being added in the OP, no idea how that's done, never done this before.
100% for 0.20 now.
Here's the link (Google Sheet):
I know there's already a google doc with the collectibles, but I never found it complete or it takes very long until it's updated. Even now, it's a few versions behind. So, I made another one, but also with images now. You have an overview of all the Dolls, with simple locations but sometimes also with more details, if needed.
To see the images, simply expand the rows, I made them collapsible so they take less space and you quickly see and go where you want.
What I can guarantee it's gonna be updated as soon as the new version is out and I play it. So, usually, a few hours after release at most.
I don't know if it's of any value for anyone, I hope it is, maybe it's worth being added in the OP, no idea how that's done, never done this before.
100% for 0.20 now.
Here's the link (Google Sheet):
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