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I was really hoping it would be solved this update, I don't like it at all and the Delilah thing is becoming more and more a obvious red herring. It also strides very much with the siren route, hopefully it'll end soon.
Oh, I forgot to spoiler some things that probably should have been spoilered. I did that, but they still show up in yours, since I did it after you quoted. Any chance you can add it, for those late to the party? Thank you kindly.
 

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Shorter than I was expecting, and thought it was odd to have Evelyn leave for ~2 weeks. That's what, 4-5 updates? So a few years? Of course she can come back early, but still, kinda odd choice.

I agree that there are a few significant tweaks on the Siren route that would improve it (choice about buttplug, more confidence around streamer, off ramp with Fiona [though I wouldn't take that]), but the incremental improvement is there and good overall. Maybe just should be increased a bit more.

Kitten seems like the canon route and the one with fewest weaknesses. Not my main playthrough, but I see the appeal.

CQ route (and the CQ Content [CQC /s]) is the oddest to me. It's like a completely different reality divorced from the other two routes. It's also the least appealing to me, personally. It makes sense for the Lexi scene, as Ashe's behaviour kind of pushes her away, and a bit for Rachel w/ Natasha. But didn't really land right in my book.




The blackmail plotline is getting old, fast, for me. I agree that it's being so blatantly pointed at Delilah that I doubt she's the main culprit (though it would have been nice for it to be her, get's caught, sexily punished, plot ends), but I like the theory that she may be assisting the mastermind blackmailer. She was really squirrelly with her phone in the park. What do we know about her internship? Maybe her new boss is the blackmailer, and taking advantage of Delilah's naivete? Which points to Vanessa's mom, just as she's the most powerful individual in the game so far.

The chapter end stinger should be more exciting/intriguing, but didn't land for me. Though the promise of the party turning into an Elysium fuelled orgy holds promise.

I feel like it was a missed opportunity to have a scene, or build some tension at least, with Spike this update. C'est la vie.

The "Big Bad" introduced at the end of the update should be a big deal, but I agree it kind of rings hollow. I can't quite put my finger on why though. Possibly because it's just kind of thrown in at the end with no sign of a "Big Bad" In previous updates, Feels like the blackmail plot is going a little off the rails with the Elysium party thing lol, but I'm curious to see the outcome and who said "Big Bad" is.
 

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Shorter than I was expecting, and thought it was odd to have Evelyn leave for ~2 weeks. That's what, 4-5 updates? So a few years? Of course she can come back early, but still, kinda odd choice.

I agree that there are a few significant tweaks on the Siren route that would improve it (choice about buttplug, more confidence around streamer, off ramp with Fiona [though I wouldn't take that]), but the incremental improvement is there and good overall. Maybe just should be increased a bit more.

Kitten seems like the canon route and the one with fewest weaknesses. Not my main playthrough, but I see the appeal.

CQ route (and the CQ Content [CQC /s]) is the oddest to me. It's like a completely different reality divorced from the other two routes. It's also the least appealing to me, personally. It makes sense for the Lexi scene, as Ashe's behaviour kind of pushes her away, and a bit for Rachel w/ Natasha. But didn't really land right in my book.




The blackmail plotline is getting old, fast, for me. I agree that it's being so blatantly pointed at Delilah that I doubt she's the main culprit (though it would have been nice for it to be her, get's caught, sexily punished, plot ends), but I like the theory that she may be assisting the mastermind blackmailer. She was really squirrelly with her phone in the park. What do we know about her internship? Maybe her new boss is the blackmailer, and taking advantage of Delilah's naivete? Which points to Vanessa's mom, just as she's the most powerful individual in the game so far.

The chapter end stinger should be more exciting/intriguing, but didn't land for me. Though the promise of the party turning into an Elysium fuelled orgy holds promise.

I feel like it was a missed opportunity to have a scene, or build some tension at least, with Spike this update. C'est la vie.

This is literally the best way I've seen this described... Cuck Route is alternate reality where characters do things that don't make sense for sake of Cuck porn lol. Especially in 0.4 Eve and Stella makes ZERO sense after everything we learn about Eve.
 
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LegacyV01

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Yes, Ashe could bottom if you're on Fiona's path. Don't go on the path with a character who's obviously designed to be top only if you don't want Ashe to get bottomed. That's your control, don't enter her path if you don't want the content it's going to have. Anyone who spent even 5 seconds thinking about it would've realized that Fiona was gonna top Ashe if you go on her path. It was as obvious as that the sky is blue what was gonna happen, don't blame the dev that you couldn't figure that out.
It always seemed obvious to me that Fiona would top Ashe first, and then maybe later Ashe would convince Fiona to try bottoming.
 

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It always seemed obvious to me that Fiona would top Ashe first, and then maybe later Ashe would convince Fiona to try bottoming.
Yeah i agree because thats what is going to happen in the siren path as ashe gets more confidence in herself in most situations she will be more of a top than a bottom hell the description in the game when picking the siren path basically said that and i feel like later maybe ashe will ask Fiona to be a bottom in order to spice things up which i feel like Fiona would do that for ashe.
 
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Have to agree with Alley_Cat. There seems to be a lot of whining over nothing here.

I really liked this update.:love:(y)(y)

I liked how Ashe choose not to use the buttplug but kept it with her after the blackmailer sent a pic of her to her boss just in case the thing had a GPS on it. I could even choose not to give her more blackmail material for her to use later and insted grabbed a random pic from the internet.

Very good scene between Ashe and Lexi, not sure if it was exclusive to the siren route but it was great regardless. Specially liked how there was some chemistry between both of them, chatting and flirting with each other at that kiosk until they ended up doing some sex time on the beach. :love:
I even got the radical free joke. :LOL:

Vanessa also got up on my book. Despite the setback with her buying the wrong tickets, she was able to adjust and have a great time just chatting the night away with Ashe. Vanessa was also a lot more cool than their previous meeting showed. Even them bonding over dead moms was interesting. Also that kissing and making up before ending the night was hot.:love:

Fiona and Ashe scene was also another one i was expecting. Quite nice that Ashe lost her bottom virginity with Fiona. Also no offense but anyone expecting otherwise was deluding thmselves, Ashe literally dreamed about this event in a previous update. :love:
For now i decided to agree with Fiona and keep things between them on the friends with benefits stage, no reason to push things to move too fast.
And she finally asked the question and got the answer i was expecting: Fiona didn't tell Delilah about Ashe's secret.

Right now i have to agree that Delilah doesn't seem to be the only blackmailer, but it seems she was tasked with tailing Ashe by the main person behind it. Her wanting to go to the party even without a invite seems quite telling.
I am guessing the main criminal is the same person who wants to spike the drinks from Isabella/Lexi and Vanessa university party with that elisium drug to make everyone go mad in heat. That would be the "perfect" way to reveal Ashe being a duplo in front of everyone.

Between the blackmailer and all the women interested in Ashe this party promises a lot.


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Is there a good amount of content already?
Yes. Go play it. :)
Ashe mentioned that Fiona not into that.
I don't remember this particular scene but it goes in line with Ashe's dreams about Fiona. (y)
 
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Have to agree with Alley_Cat. There seems to be a lot of whining over nothing here.

I really liked this update.:love:(y)(y)

I liked how Ashe choose not to use the buttplug but kept it with her after the blackmailer sent a pic of her to her boss just in case the thing had a GPS on it. I could even choose not to give her more blackmail material for her to use later and insted grabbed a random pic from the internet.

Very good scene between Ashe and Lexi, not sure if it was exclusive to the siren route but it was great regardless. Specially liked how there was some chemistry between both of them, chatting and flirting with each other at that kiosk until they ended up doing some sex time on the beach. :love:
I even got the radical free joke. :LOL:

Vanessa also got up on my book. Despite the setback with her buying the wrong tickets, she was able to adjust and have a great time just chatting the night away with Ashe. Vanessa was also a lot more cool than their previous meeting showed. Even them bonding over dead moms was interesting. Also that kissing and making up before ending the night was hot.:love:

Fiona and Ashe scene was also another one i was expecting. Quite nice that Ashe lost her bottom virginity with Fiona. Also no offense but anyone expecting otherwise was deluding thmselves, Ashe literally dreamed about this event in a previous update. :love:
For now i decided to agree with Fiona and keep things between them on the friends with benefits stage, no reason to push things to move too fast.
And she finally asked the question and got the answer i was expecting: Fiona didn't tell Delilah about Ashe's secret.

Right now i have to agree that Delilah doesn't seem to be the only blackmailer, but it seems she was tasked with tailing Ashe by the main person behind it. Her wanting to go to the party even without a invite seems quite telling.
I am guessing the main criminal is the same person who wants to spike the drinks from Isabella/Lexi and Vanessa university party with that elisium drug to make everyone go mad in heat. That would be the "perfect" way to reveal Ashe being a duplo in front of everyone.

Between the blackmailer and all the women interested in Ashe this party promises a lot.


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Yes. Go play it. :)

I don't remember this particular scene but it goes in line with Ashe's dreams about Fiona. (y)
It‘s impressive that people just keep repeating the you should have expected Ashe to be the bottom when the criticism from virtually everyone who has talked about has been you don’t get a say in the matter, you can’t stop her. If you at one point decided to try something with Fiona you are on rails and can’t make any decisions. You don’t get to say no, let’s stop.

Don’t take away player agency without reason. If you only want this to be the way things can go. Provide an opportunity to end it before it gets to that stage. It is really such a minor thing to add, and it will avoid grievance for player’s who are okay with some hand and mouth stuff but don’t want to go further than that with said character.

And for crying out loud, if it doesn’t bother you that’s great. There is no reason to set up a straw man so you can pretend other people don‘t get to be annoyed.

The lack of agency is there when the package arrives too, you can move the scene where you want it to go without depriving your players of any control.

But yes, do go play it. Find out for yourself, and if you’re curious about the grievances I and others have with this episodes Siren route, try playing the previous episodes and comparing the two on player agency and meaningful choices.
 

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It‘s impressive that people just keep repeating the you should have expected Ashe to be the bottom when the criticism from virtually everyone who has talked about has been you don’t get a say in the matter, you can’t stop her. If you at one point decided to try something with Fiona you are on rails and can’t make any decisions. You don’t get to say no, let’s stop.

Don’t take away player agency without reason. If you only want this to be the way things can go. Provide an opportunity to end it before it gets to that stage. It is really such a minor thing to add, and it will avoid grievance for player’s who are okay with some hand and mouth stuff but don’t want to go further than that with said character.

And for crying out loud, if it doesn’t bother you that’s great. There is no reason to set up a straw man so you can pretend other people don‘t get to be annoyed.

The lack of agency is there when the package arrives too, you can move the scene where you want it to go without depriving your players of any control.

But yes, do go play it. Find out for yourself, and if you’re curious about the grievances I and others have with this episodes Siren route, try playing the previous episodes and comparing the two on player agency and meaningful choices.
While I do think the story was naturally going down the route of Ashe losing her vaginal virginity to Fiona(Imo its fine it makes sense). I also understand the frustration of people that didn't want that to happen, and yes it does kind of seem like no matter what you do Ashe is forced to lose her vaginal virginity to Fiona, Same with Zoe where you didn't get a choice with that, it just happens to keep the plot moving. I think the true culprit of the grievances is the update being wayy more linear than I think a lot of us thought it would be. This update really feels to me like the dev has a story they want to tell, and we're able to make very slight variations in the way some things turn out, but overall the dev is going to hit a lot of the same story beats in each route regardless of which choice you make. Which just makes a lot of the choices feel... Cheap? I think some people love the way Morrigan wrote Kitten/Siren path and that's why they're fine with the lack of agency bc they probably would've made those choices anyways. Where as others like you and myself definitely would've changed a few things. I don't mind Fiona and Ashe as I think it makes sense, and I ship them so imma little biased, but her just putting the dido in even though SHE LITERALLY SAYS SHE"S NEVER PUT ANYTHING UP HER ASS BEFORE feels soo Kitten Ashe to me not Siren Ashe. Like why not have her say no off the rip? The outcome is LITERALLY the exact same if she would've said no to putting it in from the get go.
 
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I don't think so. Fiona didn't see Ashe as a sex object until she found out Ashe had a pussy.
I agree, but I think there's clearly romantic tension there too, Ashe and Fiona are important and special to each other. You do things you sometimes otherwise wouldn't do for people you REALLY care about.
 
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It‘s impressive that people just keep repeating the you should have expected Ashe to be the bottom when the criticism from virtually everyone who has talked about has been you don’t get a say in the matter, you can’t stop her. If you at one point decided to try something with Fiona you are on rails and can’t make any decisions. You don’t get to say no, let’s stop.

Don’t take away player agency without reason. If you only want this to be the way things can go. Provide an opportunity to end it before it gets to that stage. It is really such a minor thing to add, and it will avoid grievance for player’s who are okay with some hand and mouth stuff but don’t want to go further than that with said character.

And for crying out loud, if it doesn’t bother you that’s great. There is no reason to set up a straw man so you can pretend other people don‘t get to be annoyed.

The lack of agency is there when the package arrives too, you can move the scene where you want it to go without depriving your players of any control.

But yes, do go play it. Find out for yourself, and if you’re curious about the grievances I and others have with this episodes Siren route, try playing the previous episodes and comparing the two on player agency and meaningful choices.
You can literally choose not to start anything sexual with Fiona in chapter 4 so i find this whole complain about lack of player agency very disingenuous.
Also the developer never promised anyone that the routes would equate with a complete change in both Ashe and her partners sexual preferences. Morrigan even made a giant text explaining what to expect from the routes.

Just to be sure i came back to chapter 4 and checked: if Ashe doesn't have sex with Fiona in chapter 4 then nothing happens between them in chapter 5. That is player agency happening.
So i am not the one using a straw man falacy to complain about something that was the obvious outcome of player's choice simply because said outcome happened a update later. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't be surprised if Fiona tries things with Ashe that she hasn't before or normally isn't into, Considering it's Ashe not just any random futa.
I don't think so. Fiona didn't see Ashe as a sex object until she found out Ashe had a pussy.
I think you mean sex partner there instead of object? Since there are feelings of friendship between both of them involved.

And while i agree Ashe having a pussy may likely have been what started that sexual attraction to what is unknown/different in a duplo, i would not discount the idea that in the future Fiona may bottom, sometimes, for Ashe. At least for a Siren Ashe. :unsure:
 
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