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alexanderXD

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ejlwlerqxugwqokthy said:
It isn't a moot point, it's exactly the point I'm trying to make. People don't know he is a fart fetish artist because they don't search for fart fetish content, there's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't change the fact that he is one, and that is where most of his effort is going to be directed. If you're only care about his non gas stuff, fine, but don't question why he isn't focusing on it when the answer is right there and you're just ignoring it.
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it is 100% a moot point and poeple are questioning it because it was barely even apart of his art back then to now
 
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ejlwlerqxugwqokthy

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Theovonpapen said:
I would like to point out that the account was made in 2017 and was abandoned by 2019 after the Ichikoro phase (if you couldn't tell from the @ name). It even still has vore tagged to it despite having basically no vore whatsoever. And I can attest there were pre-2022 art post (I did check around 2019 at the latest, and yes there were vore art, and the source links in
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That might be true, however it is undeniably his de-facto main account now, regardless of content warnings and his higher follower count on his his initial account, the new one is where he posts personal updates and interacts with others on. People move which accounts they're active on all the time, and arguing semantics over it is pointless. What matters is that (disregarding a solitary post to mention it was his birthday) for over an entire year he has only posted on his ichikoro account. Even his most recent post on the account mentions that he doesn't intend to post any more WIP's on it (although I suppose you could interpret this as saying more full art/games are coming, I would say that's a stretch considering posting WIP's has been something Rime has done a lot of unilaterally.) If that isn't a sign it's being retired for the foreseeable future I don't know what is.

Theovonpapen said:
Sorry, I had to reword your paragraph there. When you use an absolute conditional, preceding with an exception, I was obligated to paraphrase your wording to steelman your argument.

On to the point, yes now he's not really into EFP development. Back then he was into EFP development. And guess where he was back then? His art fetishes were nowhere near as lopsided to fart as it is right now. There were more update on the release of the game in almost a single month than the entire 'development' over the last 2 years combined (mind you, those test runs are supposed to be integrated in EFP but are very incomplete). And his Furaffinity and Inkbunny accounts weren't entirely abandoned. You could say that his "taste" has "evolved", but to say that 'EFP as an example to his average work in 2020 (when it was released) is a terrible example' is treating the relics by today's perspective. In other words, insinuating that Rime was always a fart artist despite the fact he has only shifted his focus on fart over everything by last year, despite the fact that fart was not even a plurality by 2021.
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I've talked several times about how Rime constantly switches projects and why that's detrimental to both him and his fans, this has been the case even before EFP which he dropped development on Ichikoro to work on, I could just as easily say that back then he was devoted to developing smelly island, which was an unapologetic fart fetish game and that it's bizarre he focused his efforts to go back to expanding his weird kissing focused game instead of finishing it and moving on. The fact is that he worked on both in lockstep (Smelly island began development ~2 months after EFP did) and always has.

I've never said that Rime was always a fart fetish artist (although I think it's fairly clear it's been something he's always enjoyed), or even that Rime is only a fart fetish artist, merely that he is one, that means he will be dedicating a significant portion of his time to creating fart fetish art, which has been the case from the start, one look at his patreon history will tell you as much, the second finished image he uploaded was a fart image (unless you'd be willing to argue that the picture of one of his characters with his face shoved into the ass of his skunk character wasn't designed to be a fart picture) In fact, looking at his patreon history, you can see a fairly consistent pattern of developing one more vanilla game tailored to simple fetishes, followed by development on what was unambiguously a fart fetish game. EFP > Smelly Island > Later EFP Versions > Stinkness Awaits > Project Escape New Test Stages > Smelly Island Remake. Again, just because some people choose to ignore the fart games, that doesn't mean that a substantial portion of Rime's time hasn't gone to them and always has.

Theovonpapen said:
You could still claim it still fits your argument by pointing out the recent addition of the skunk in the game as an evolution of his taste, but that's not your point since you have needlessly casted this game away as "a terrible example to get a sense of what Rime's average work entails."
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If by "recent addition" you mean the character that has been in the game since the first stable release back in 2020 then yes, I would say it's proof that Rime has been shifted towards that content since that point in time. You could make the argument that most Rime fans learned about him during his early Ichikoro days, pre-EFP and pre-patreon, but I don't necessarily think that's true, and on this website specifically which is designed for obtaining patreon content I think it'd be a stretch in logic.

Although I will admit that in retrospect EFP probably isn't a terrible example to get a sense of what Rime's average work is, in fact a completely scattershot game lacking any real direction with conflicting design decisions and no real path of progression is the perfect example of Rime's work. What I was trying to say, is that if you came into this thread, played EFP in the way it was presented to you, you'd probably come away thinking Rime was someone mostly focused on kissing fetishes, whereas that hasn't really been the case, the only clear general theme I can really take away from Rime's work is a focus on Corruption, and that's an extremely general overview of what he's done at best, because I doubt someone into "corruption" at least by how it would be defined most of the time on this site, would want to see some small furry character get farted on until he starts to beg for more.

Theovonpapen said:
I'm not sure where you insinuated that I actively don't like non-fart aphrodisiac porn, as I have plenty of games and comics on the genre. Monster Girl Dreams and Cruel Serenade have their fair share of them, and yet you don't see me complaining there. Maybe my "scent-oriented art" was too broad of a term (since pheromones can still go through the mouth, which isn't scent)
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I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion but the point I was trying to make was that Pheronoa was designed as an aphrodisiac fetish character second and as a breath/gas/smell fetish character first, Rime has been making art of characters burping/breathing on others since Ichikoro and it's clear that she was designed with that in mind first and foremost, while people may enjoy like her for her body/pheromone aspect, Rime made her so she could breathe gas into peoples faces, the aphrodisiac stuff was merely just a twist on that. The way you respond to this makes me think you believe that Pheremone/Aphrodisiac stuff was something that Rime was focusing on, but outside of his one character with that as a gimmick, I wouldn't consider it something he actively does, as it's mostly just a tertiary focus as result of his smell/gas/filth/corruption fetish.

Theovonpapen said:
I'm actually going to dispute you there. It may take a lot of numbercounting and archive digging, but I'm sure fart isn't a majority.

I'm counting at Ichikoro with about 130 out of over 800 images that contains fart. And mind you, the farts in the game seems to appear much, much later in the game (the majority being AFTER the Plantain boss fight).
And the e621 pages count the non-fart of over 300 compared to around 110 images of confirmed fart art by Rime (yes, I had to manually count the ones that were passable as a fart fetish and those that aren't). I'm not sure how much unique x.com posts that aren't present in e621 that are present in either accounts to tabulate, or how many tumblr post that are lost media, but I can safely say that fart has yet to be the majority of his art. Yes, it is his main focus now, but then again, Pheronoa was a main focus for two years.


Sidenote: I tried to get a more accurate date on the first Pheronoa post on twitter (the one with Sylveon strapped on a slab), but it has since been removed, which I suspect that a lot of his older content (including the ichikoro account) were deleted on twitter.
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I can't comment on your personal study due to not knowing the metrics used but 1/8th of the content being for fart fetish material is still a sizeable amount, although I suspect a lot of it is also more general things like breath/gas taking a large spot as well.

However using your own metrics from e621, I can see that Rime has made just about as many pictures of Pheronoa as he has made fart pictures, so if you're going to say that Pheronoa was a main focus for two years and are okay with that, then you should have no problem with him doing the same with fart content. 1/4th of you content being dedicated to a single fairly niche subject doesn't happen if it's just a passing interest. While majority is a bit of an overstatement (at least using these statistics), this is clearly not some small fetish that constitutes a fraction of the art Rime makes.

alexanderXD said:
it is 100% a moot point and poeple are questioning it because it was barely even apart of his art back then to now
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Firstly I've already clearly outlined how it was never "barely" a part of his art, and has always had at the very least a moderate focus from Rime even in the games in which it wasn't the main selling point (can the same be said of any other content that supposedly "most of his fans" are drawn to for the games Rime has made that focus on farts?) Secondly, just because you don't agree with the point doesn't invalidate it, "most of his fans didn't know he drew fart art" is a laughable statement when you look at his patreon, the main source of information about the development of his games, of which ~50% is focused towards fart content. But even aside from that there's a difference between, "Rime hasn't been communicating with us." and "Rime has been communicating with us, but I don't care for the subject he's talking about." Finally, there are updates about what he is working on in this very thread so being ignorant of it is a problem unique to you, the fact that you outright state you know about these communications but suddenly care about "the fans", an undefined and immaterial group that you can't possibly know the opinions of merely proves my point, nobody is questioning it because people have either found out what Rime is doing, and are contented, or have found out what Rime is doing, dislike it, and have decided to focus on other things.

The initial point of both of your posts was concern about a lack of communication, you are in a thread specifically about obtaining information about what Rime is doing, (take a look at that beautiful link to his patreon right in the main post). People before you were even posting about what Rime was doing with links to the new things he's made. The issue is not a lack of communication from Rime, the issue is that you got told Rime is doing something you don't personally like, and rather than accept that he's a free human being and can do what he wants to and moving on, you're acting like this is some big deal for everyone instead of your own personal problem.
 
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ejlwlerqxugwqokthy said:
That might be true, however it is undeniably his de-facto main account now, regardless of content warnings and his higher follower count on his his initial account, the new one is where he posts personal updates and interacts with others on. People move which accounts they're active on all the time, and arguing semantics over it is pointless. What matters is that (disregarding a solitary post to mention it was his birthday) for over an entire year he has only posted on his ichikoro account. Even his most recent post on the account mentions that he doesn't intend to post any more WIP's on it (although I suppose you could interpret this as saying more full art/games are coming, I would say that's a stretch considering posting WIP's has been something Rime has done a lot of unilaterally.) If that isn't a sign it's being retired for the foreseeable future I don't know what is.



I've talked several times about how Rime constantly switches projects and why that's detrimental to both him and his fans, this has been the case even before EFP which he dropped development on Ichikoro to work on, I could just as easily say that back then he was devoted to developing smelly island, which was an unapologetic fart fetish game and that it's bizarre he focused his efforts to go back to expanding his weird kissing focused game instead of finishing it and moving on. The fact is that he worked on both in lockstep (Smelly island began development ~2 months after EFP did) and always has.

I've never said that Rime was always a fart fetish artist (although I think it's fairly clear it's been something he's always enjoyed), or even that Rime is only a fart fetish artist, merely that he is one, that means he will be dedicating a significant portion of his time to creating fart fetish art, which has been the case from the start, one look at his patreon history will tell you as much, the second finished image he uploaded was a fart image (unless you'd be willing to argue that the picture of one of his characters with his face shoved into the ass of his skunk character wasn't designed to be a fart picture) In fact, looking at his patreon history, you can see a fairly consistent pattern of developing one more vanilla game tailored to simple fetishes, followed by development on what was unambiguously a fart fetish game. EFP > Smelly Island > Later EFP Versions > Stinkness Awaits > Project Escape New Test Stages > Smelly Island Remake. Again, just because some people choose to ignore the fart games, that doesn't mean that a substantial portion of Rime's time hasn't gone to them and always has.



If by "recent addition" you mean the character that has been in the game since the first stable release back in 2020 then yes, I would say it's proof that Rime has been shifted towards that content since that point in time. You could make the argument that most Rime fans learned about him during his early Ichikoro days, pre-EFP and pre-patreon, but I don't necessarily think that's true, and on this website specifically which is designed for obtaining patreon content I think it'd be a stretch in logic.

Although I will admit that in retrospect EFP probably isn't a terrible example to get a sense of what Rime's average work is, in fact a completely scattershot game lacking any real direction with conflicting design decisions and no real path of progression is the perfect example of Rime's work. What I was trying to say, is that if you came into this thread, played EFP in the way it was presented to you, you'd probably come away thinking Rime was someone mostly focused on kissing fetishes, whereas that hasn't really been the case, the only clear general theme I can really take away from Rime's work is a focus on Corruption, and that's an extremely general overview of what he's done at best, because I doubt someone into "corruption" at least by how it would be defined most of the time on this site, would want to see some small furry character get farted on until he starts to beg for more.



I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion but the point I was trying to make was that Pheronoa was designed as an aphrodisiac fetish character second and as a breath/gas/smell fetish character first, Rime has been making art of characters burping/breathing on others since Ichikoro and it's clear that she was designed with that in mind first and foremost, while people may enjoy like her for her body/pheromone aspect, Rime made her so she could breathe gas into peoples faces, the aphrodisiac stuff was merely just a twist on that. The way you respond to this makes me think you believe that Pheremone/Aphrodisiac stuff was something that Rime was focusing on, but outside of his one character with that as a gimmick, I wouldn't consider it something he actively does, as it's mostly just a tertiary focus as result of his smell/gas/filth/corruption fetish.



I can't comment on your personal study due to not knowing the metrics used but 1/8th of the content being for fart fetish material is still a sizeable amount, although I suspect a lot of it is also more general things like breath/gas taking a large spot as well.

However using your own metrics from e621, I can see that Rime has made just about as many pictures of Pheronoa as he has made fart pictures, so if you're going to say that Pheronoa was a main focus for two years and are okay with that, then you should have no problem with him doing the same with fart content. 1/4th of you content being dedicated to a single fairly niche subject doesn't happen if it's just a passing interest. While majority is a bit of an overstatement (at least using these statistics), this is clearly not some small fetish that constitutes a fraction of the art Rime makes.



Firstly I've already clearly outlined how it was never "barely" a part of his art, and has always had at the very least a moderate focus from Rime even in the games in which it wasn't the main selling point (can the same be said of any other content that supposedly "most of his fans" are drawn to for the games Rime has made that focus on farts?) Secondly, just because you don't agree with the point doesn't invalidate it, "most of his fans didn't know he drew fart art" is a laughable statement when you look at his patreon, the main source of information about the development of his games, of which ~50% is focused towards fart content. But even aside from that there's a difference between, "Rime hasn't been communicating with us." and "Rime has been communicating with us, but I don't care for the subject he's talking about." Finally, there are updates about what he is working on in this very thread so being ignorant of it is a problem unique to you, the fact that you outright state you know about these communications but suddenly care about "the fans", an undefined and immaterial group that you can't possibly know the opinions of merely proves my point, nobody is questioning it because people have either found out what Rime is doing, and are contented, or have found out what Rime is doing, dislike it, and have decided to focus on other things.

The initial point of both of your posts was concern about a lack of communication, you are in a thread specifically about obtaining information about what Rime is doing, (take a look at that beautiful link to his patreon right in the main post). People before you were even posting about what Rime was doing with links to the new things he's made. The issue is not a lack of communication from Rime, the issue is that you got told Rime is doing something you don't personally like, and rather than accept that he's a free human being and can do what he wants to and moving on, you're acting like this is some big deal for everyone instead of your own personal problem.
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I stumbled upon Pheronoa and eventually EFP mainly because of the pheromones and kissing fetish stuff. The way you described his style being that of corruption makes me kinda want to play more of the gross games eventhough they are gross to me. By any chance do you know of other artists that focus on kissing and pheromones similar to Plantain and Pheronoa since there's not much content for those fetishes. Kinda dissappointed that its not one of Rimes top kinks.
 
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