VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.7.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[Takkatakka]

If that's the case, he can recharge again in the meantime until v0.7 comes out in about 4-5 months or so.

Let's hope that'll be enough time to do so.

 

[ArDZer]

I'm just gonna deal with this one for now because it's one of my faves... Nancy got good because she's a mother figure as well as having her own strengths in domination that were mostly implied. Technically, her diplomacy skills come from dealing with two bottom feeding heathens that turned out okay and listening to her mother then knowing some Sun Tzu and what he said about warfare.

Oh, and she gave Maximo a Friday off which makes him loyal af.

Point being, the leadership shown along with some other parts were short changed but it's mostly from things we know.
Also, you can make Penny an offensive mage in Warthogs.

That Maximus is a competent 2-IC for Nancy, he definitely is. Perhaps Annie might not share the same opinion given what happened to her during the Wagner mission, since he most likely was the one who called in that artillery strike after she sent the coordinates trying to show off her prowess (after being hit mentally for being called useless, and somehow still look even more so after that plan backfired on her).

 

[Dorfnutter]

I'm just gonna deal with this one for now because it's one of my faves... Nancy got good because she's a mother figure as well as having her own strengths in domination that were mostly implied. Technically, her diplomacy skills come from dealing with two bottom feeding heathens that turned out okay and listening to her mother then knowing some Sun Tzu and what he said about warfare.

Oh, and she gave Maximo a Friday off which makes him loyal af.

Point being, the leadership shown along with some other parts were short changed but it's mostly from things we know.

Yes, but by H's logic regarding Orion that shouldn't count as we only see her quickly rising up and winging things as she goes. We don't see her go through some sort of crash course test to ruling, so seeing her act like this veteran ruler despite being a noob like Orion should be criticized. And yet I don't see him doing so, which annoys me as it just shows how double-standard his arguments are.

Also, you can make Penny an offensive mage in Warthogs.

Yes but considering the walkthrough says one should pick the healing book then that choice likely has some sort of bad consequence sometime in the future.

 

[Ungawa]

As kind of a neutral arbiter on the BIG convo, I gotta point to a few things:

Magic in the world is defined by the servers set as far as we know, Annie didn't get a chance to really show off. From the beginning, we went into an FF7 server and she's good but this is a meme for a reason:



Annie has not been shown her strengths and Cari put a lampshade on it.

Nancy as Empress was somehow foretold and she had the right skills to succeed. Cari put a lampshade on it.



And we might as well put a lampshade that the Carters have some crazy powers in this crew from Dahlia being stronger to Penny being quick to be a mage which is quickly making Annie feel smaller. She didn't go to Warthog, she struggled like a working girl. (I'd put Eva but I need more pics of her...)

But Annie DID have the detective moment in the most recent update.

In regards to Orion, I'll take sexy time over fighty time all day err day!

Finally, I gotta side with Dorf on the fact that Orion just ain't the big thinker of the crew. Yes, he gets good grades and knows his science (especially anatomy) but the boy ain't asking the deep questions unless his reward is pooty tang.

If we need science, that's Nancy or Annie who get it first.

If we need social, that's Luna, Penny or even Alex for humans and Calypso for outer worldly elven.

For muscle bro BS, that's Dahlia.

Then the technicals, that's Nova. (These pipes are tubes!)

That's just from what I'm picking up while making random jokes.

Spoiler: Now on to the wait...

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[Ungawa]

Yes, but by H's logic regarding Orion that shouldn't count as we only see her quickly rising up and winging things as she goes. We don't see her go through some sort of crash course test to ruling, so seeing her act like this veteran ruler despite being a noob like Orion should be criticized. And yet I don't see him doing so, which annoys me as it just shows how double-standard his arguments are.

I get it but the story already shuts this down with the prophecy. She'd be Empress at level 1. Even then, we see her background of resolving things with diplomacy through what she goes through with the girls. Then there's Gertrude. And even further with her job. Nancy has talents just like the rest of the cast and we'll just have to move it forward that she got it for a reason that's not quite clear yet.

Yes but considering the walkthrough says one should pick the healing book then that likely some sort of bad consequence sometime in the future.

True, just pointing out that she CAN be changed to be powerful besides healing which shows her talents aren't just looking goddamn scrumptious like a socialite but also a high INT as well.

 

[Dorfnutter]

I get it but the story already shuts this down with the prophecy.

A prophecy that could've been designed by a bunch of LARPers who may have done so so they can have some eyecandy for a ruler and not be a complete sausagefest of a faction.

Just to be clear, I do not mind Nan getting an Empire despite being a noob. All I'm doing is pointing out how inconsistent and double-standard H's arguments are when you take into account the stuff that has happened throughout the story and even so far back in OIAL.

Simply put, Orion is never going to get that training montage because power acquisition in the Caribdiverse is either done because the plot dictates it or as a punchline for a joke. But H apparently doesn't see it that way.

 

[Ungawa]

Don't get me started on OIAL...

I'll be here all day while we go ape on the BS with overshadowing and lack of thought into just town level events. I swear, the girls there were Mary Sues and the plot induced stupidity was so much.

I love the sex scenes and I'm so glad that each girl in Eternum got a niche they're filling (even if Annie is overshadowed for the time being until she shines) but my GOD some of the clusterfuck of OIAL is just anger inducing even if I felt compelled to finish.

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[Dorfnutter]

Don't get me started on OIAL...

I'll be here all day while we go ape on the BS with overshadowing and lack of thought into just town level events. I swear, the girls there were Mary Sues and the plot induced stupidity was so much.

I love the sex scenes and I'm so glad that each girl got a niche they're filling (even if Annie is overshadowed for the time being until she shines) but my GOD some of the clusterfuck of that is just anger inducing even if I felt compelled to finish.

Annie wasn't in OIAL wtf.

 

[Zappyboi]

If that's the case, he can recharge again in the meantime until v0.7 comes out in about 4-5 months or so.

4 -5 months? I already want more Luna Hernandez

 

[Ellyx]

4 -5 months? I already want more Luna Hernandez

Yes the wait is painful but so worth it
Update should be around end of January/beginning of February if Caribdis keeps up this pace

 

[Dorfnutter]

4 -5 months? I already want more Luna Hernandez

5-5 1/2 months, actually. 4-5 months was back when Cari was on workaholic madlad mode (around 0.2 to 0.5 iirc), but as of 0.6's development he's taken a slightly more relaxed work sched, if only - in his own words - to "maintain [his] sanity."

 

[MagnusTempestus6]

if only - in his own words - to "maintain [his] sanity."

My first thought was: sane... sure sure as if

For real though, you can't tell me this masterpiece is being made by someone still having all their marbles accounted for. The segment of Orion with Hernandez family alone was such a magnificent back&forth between comedy, wholesomeness and more I just can't even...
But the longer wait is probably for the best, if he burns out we get less total Eternum...

So I am all for slightly slower updates for a chance at ~20 total instead of ~12.
Even when the flesh is weak and so is the mind, must... hold out...

 

[Dorfnutter]

My first thought was: sane... sure sure as if

For real though, you can't tell me this masterpiece is being made by someone still having all their marbles accounted for. The segment of Orion with Hernandez family alone was such a magnificent back&forth between comedy, wholesomeness and more I just can't even...
But the longer wait is probably for the best, if he burns out we get less total Eternum...
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So I am all for slightly slower updates for a chance at ~20 total instead of ~12.
Even when the flesh is weak and so is the mind, must... hold out...
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Oh, I didn't mean sane as in being normal. That pretty much went out of the window with his work on OIAL.

Nah by sane I meant being mentally well enough to not be burnt out by work. Like - as you said - if his target update count is still between 12 and 20 updates, that means the man is going to devote nearly a decade of his life for just one AVN. For fans of said AVN, that's well and good as that means more content for the next few years. For a dev though...well that's the kind of commitment that would extinguish the creativity of even the most dedicated and talented if no proper measures are taken. Which is why a healthy work sched is important for him to see things through.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

How exactly is punching an Emperor and suddenly getting handed the keys to an Empire a display of her social skills? And again, why are you giving her a pass for gaining that kind of power up but keep harping that Orion has to earn his?

She gain the trust and favor of ppl acknowledge in WRE, what do you want? that she becomes Summa Cum Laude from West Point? That will not gonna happen, but what she could do after gaining the leadership was read some military books, the most famous and still studied even in West Point is Sun Tzu's Art of War.

Is it overthinking to point out that the logic of the Caribdiverse is whack and thinking that it's not as simple as her eyesight being better than the other and could potentially be supernatural in nature despite the handicap (and thus putting her in the same league as Luna) falls under the logic of said universe?

Because as the Luna's supernatural skill, it must comply to a set of rules, in all fictional universe that is taken seryously there's a set of rules of how magic works (otherwise is a universe of May Sue's), if Luna's skill doesn't have a flaw that affect her negatively why Nova does have it?, as far a she make use of her covered eye the more she risk to lose it complete it. Otherwise would be, as example, if Luna's skill can't give her benefits nor Nova's too because she can risk to lose it complete it but before that experience a great pain when the safety time ended then why Orion's brings that as aftereffect?.

In the same plane you can argument that Nancy's leadership was only possible because she have some kind of Magic that affect those who are in low self-esteem, like some kind of presence in VTMB, then, why how she's still leader after WRE moral is max out?. Pal, thinking seriously that everything can be explain by the due of some magical shenanigan you are resting value to the characters.

I was referring to her getting her ass beat by the other brother, the one who holds the gem and got skewered later by Thanny, not the one who broke her armor that Orion had to subdue.

She isn't stated that was between top players on Eternum, she underestimate the capabilities of the brothers. That makes her real, a human, not a Mary Sue. The same can be for Luna, as all of her might in magic on Eternum, her intelligence and common self near stoic, she was affected when she saw her mom saying things she didn't wanted to hear. As for all the characters, all of them have their strong points and flaws that can be covered by the members of the team. But between them, Orion is a weird very notable exemption as much of his strong points he have he barely manifest flaws, and even the skills of the girls have their limits (as for Nancy as example, she can't pressure the members of the WRE as the past leader did or she would risk to be overthrow).

If you think that we're not going to get an explanation later on of the origin of Orion's powers and the actual toll it does to his body (as already foreshadowed by things like the darkening of his nails since 0.3 post-Ogygia and the darkening of his eyebags and hardening/whitening of his skin to resemble that of a corpse) and instead is something we should've learned through a training montage that you are lamenting that we should've seen...then I'm sorry but that's just a dumb way of thinking tbh.

It's not that we cannot received later an explanation, it's that it seems that it can be use on the fly with no consequences, nor delay time, nor flaws, nor nothing. Even the best combatants as being shown as could be Nova and Luna's can be, they admit and know what their limits are, even Dalia know of hers. And Orion's limit? He didn't still slap into a wall (yet, that i hope he gets into).

The point I was making is that Orion may try to investigate shit out of curiosity or want of answers but he is ill-equipped to do so because he does not have the kind of skills that better detectives or investigators have (i.e. paranoia, being extra aware of his surroundings other than when immiment danger is present (to which his powers kick in), being inquisitive to the point of annoyance, keeping tabs on everything and anything that might end up useful for later). And that kind of thinking also translates to how he views his powers, in that he is fine with using it and getting good at it, but not once did he fully question where it came from or what it could do beyond giving him super speed and strength as for him "having 100% compatibility" is good enough explanation.

I give you that, understand and share with you, but as i said, he was doing illegal activities that can be penalize on Eternum, he knows that, he knows what happened to Benjie and the same can to him, but what he lacks is for trusting sources, and Idriel for how much rocks sexiest cool can be, she is considered part of the very same system that he's investigating from outside sources. Eventually he will face her, but that will only happen in his terms, like discovery where truly is "physically" Idriel inside Eternum to go there with Calypso's help (a moment that will gona have a hell of answers tbh) and maybe she's heavy guarded by those who are only Loyal to "The Founder".

Again, so? So what if Orion is easily able to wield his powers now and we didn't see a montage of him refining said powers through his training (which Caly has assessed as shit)? Because YOU want to see him earn it? Even though I've already pointed out that this is a universe where certain people exist who we haven't seen earning their heightened status and yet no one batted an eye about it (i.e. Stabby Mike becoming a Yakuza head and then a Priest and then a President, Fat Jack becoming Fit Jack in just one day, Nan becoming Empress with just one punch)?

I can't talk for OIAL because i began playing Caribdis games with Eternum, what i can tell you is, whatever good story will have semblance to ours and with our Myths, not even Gods can do hell whatever they wanted, they manage by rules, as our society does, as our leaders does as our universe, nothing came from nothing and without cost.

 

[Dorfnutter]

She gain the trust and favor of ppl acknowledge in WRE, what do you want? that she becomes Summa Cum Laude from West Point? That will not gonna happen, but what she could do after gaining the leadership was read some military books, the most famous and still studied even in West Point is Sun Tzu's Art of War.

What I want? What do YOU want? The only reason I'm bringing up Nan's quick rise to power is that it's analogous to Orion suddenly receiving a power-up. You can argue that some paper-thin background stuff exists that would justify why she could wing being able to manage an empire despite being a noob, but couldn't the same be said for Orion then? Who is foreshadowed to have something special given his mysterious dreams upon arriving in Kredon and his perfect compatibility score? And yet, you keep going over and over that he needs his own event where it is shown that he is training said powers instead of a timeskip. But again, WHY? Why when the other characters aren't shown to have that kind of event? Because he's the main character? Nah, eff that double standards of yours man.

Because as the Luna's supernatural skill, it must comply to a set of rules, in all fictional universe that is taken seryously there's a set of rules of how magic works (otherwise is a universe of May Sue's), if Luna's skill doesn't have a flaw that affect her negatively why Nova does have it?, as far a she make use of her covered eye the more she risk to lose it complete it. Otherwise would be, as example, if Luna's skill can't give her benefits nor Nova's too because she can risk to lose it complete it but before that experience a great pain when the safety time ended then why Orion's brings that as aftereffect?.

So not being able to control what she sees, forcing herself to wear gloves, being ostracized during her childhood for said powers which led her to become pretty much a loner until Orion came to the picture aren't considered flaws now?

Also, there obviously are flaws to Orion's powers that will be revealed later on...or do you think the implied negative effects to his body and the bleeding effects that are likely going to get worse as we get further along into the story don't count as flaws?

In the same plane you can argument that Nancy's leadership was only possible because she have some kind of Magic that affect those who are in low self-esteem, like some kind of presence in VTMB, then, why how she's still leader after WRE moral is max out?. Pal, thinking seriously that everything can be explain by the due of some magical shenanigan you are resting value to the characters.

Nan's case isn't magic, it's plot convenience...which is logically normal given what normally happens in the setting we're in (see: the entirety of OIAL).

For Nova though it's hard to consider it the same way given that it is an ability she is born with and suspiciously has the hallmarks of a special ability. Which again, tracks with the setting given that OIAL has already established that people with supernatural abilities and powers exist in said setting (though admittedly there are some like Ex-President Michael Stabb who are just plain gifted without any explanation as to why).

She isn't stated that was between top players on Eternum, she underestimate the capabilities of the brothers. That makes her real, a human, not a Mary Sue. The same can be for Luna, as all of her might in magic on Eternum, her intelligence and common self near stoic, she was affected when she saw her mom saying things she didn't wanted to hear. As for all the characters, all of them have their strong points and flaws that can be covered by the members of the team. But between them, Orion is a weird very notable exemption as much of his strong points he have he barely manifest flaws, and even the skills of the girls have their limits (as for Nancy as example, she can't pressure the members of the WRE as the past leader did or she would risk to be overthrow).

-Is an absolute horndog who, given the opportunity to bed courtesans over finding and reuniting with Alex and Nova, was willing to choose the former

-Has issues with fully manifesting his power when surrounded by the Xenomorphs in Andromeda (likely due to him and Annie doing some naughty stuff prior to shit hitting the fan)

-Is not gifted with the wisdom to ask questions that matter or be a little bit mindful with his surroundings, which would've allowed him to advance the plot earlier but instead has to rely on wtf moments before he could even piece shit together

But sure, tell me how much of a perfect character Orion is despite the flaws I've given.

It's not that we cannot received later an explanation, it's that it seems that it can be use on the fly with no consequences, nor delay time, nor flaws, nor nothing. Even the best combatants as being shown as could be Nova and Luna's can be, they admit and know what their limits are, even Dalia know of hers. And Orion's limit? He didn't still slap into a wall (yet, that i hope he gets into).

Again, see the explosive finale of the Andromeda date and tell me that wasn't a flaw to Orion's powers.

I can't talk for OIAL because i began playing Caribdis games with Eternum, what i can tell you is, whatever good story will have semblance to ours and with our Myths, not even Gods can do hell whatever they wanted, they manage by rules, as our society does, as our leaders does as our universe, nothing came from nothing and without cost.

Play OIAL and see how the idea that the Caribdiverse ought to operate by proper logic and rules gets laughably thrown into the kitchen sink when faced with the power of secret heritages, gag humor, and overpowered LIs and side characters that defy explanation.

 

[DyonisXX]

I wish they'd release the official HS2 cards, probably once the game is completed

 

[1tomadeira]

Magic in the world is defined by the servers set as far as we know, Annie didn't get a chance to really show off.

I admit it was some time since last time I've played the game, but I recall Annie showing herself to Orion in her bedroom pretty well.

 

[Elhemeer]

I gotta say, right now my eyes blur over every time I see HBN00b and Dorf's posts.

Sorry.

 

[TigerWolfe]

I gotta say, right now my eyes blur over every time I see HBN00b and Dorf's posts.

Sorry.

True facts.

 

[e6mill]

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